If your going to bitch at me about this eval thing..do it on the
list..keep SuSE in my SuSE folder and stay out of my inbox.
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From: "NOC"
To: "Ben Rosenberg"
Subject: RE: [SLE] Free Beer vs. Free Speech [was] 7.1 ISO
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 20:55:09 -0500
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Ben,
You are a rock. Obviously, you dont understand the term EVALUATION. I
install a copy of the eval, show them what it can do. If the client likes
it, they buy multiple copies to control their elevators, climate, whatever.
Now, as far as Windows is concerned (you seem to keep going back to windows
and free beer), that is why I NEVER tried to recommend it to a client,
because we couldn't confirm that it would work in their environ. That is
the beauty of linux (speaking of which, I am now trying Debian to see how it
works... dont much like the looks of it though).
I dont think you are understanding that my clientele are hiring a full
service consultant (me). Which means, if the contract goes through, the
systems are bought and paid for (INCLUDING THE OS). Now, ask me how many
copies of SuSE I have bought in the last year, please, ask me.
And your last (semi-valid) point. "Hey look you can download it for
free"... Most of my customers are in building maintenance.. Yeah, they can
get on the internet, but I doubt they could rip an MP3, ISO, or anything
else. Yes, they know they can download it off the internet, I tell them as
such. As a matter of fact, I have lost contracts because they thought they
could grab everything for free. That was a wrong answer, I only lost the
contract for about 3 months. Back they came to get everything online and
working WITH purchased copies (in this case RH 7.0... ouch)...
You would not get crap, as you put it, if you didnt fall back to that "free
beer" stance every time someone asked about the eval. I think its safe to
say that I have bought more copies of SuSE than you EVER will. Lets leave
it at that, shall we?
Chris Kulish
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Rosenberg [mailto:ben@whack.org]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 8:40 PM
To: NOC
Subject: Re: [SLE] Free Beer vs. Free Speech [was] 7.1 ISO
Well, I don't believe I can try out WinXP before I buy it.
So don't give me any CRAP about trying before you buy it. If you
wanted to try out MacOSX before you bought the retail (back when it was
beta..it still cost ya $30.00)...so your arguement is weak and I take
offense that you think I am on some high horse...an no I won't join you
in the trench of I'm too cheap to buy a CDR and one copy of SuSE..if
it's getting you customers and your making money off it..you better well
help some of the people who put the damn thing together. It's pretty
much you want to take and make money off it but you don't want to give
up anything. Burn as many copies of the 1st copy you buy..show your
customers that..not " Hey, you can download this for free..so screw
Microsoft. " Dude, I bought SuSE 5.0-6.4 and hell I even bough
Win95...and I seem to remember Solaris 2.5.1, 2.6 (at full price) in
there..so don't give me any crap eh? I have done plenty of dealing with
customers in the trenches...but I never let a customer try out Win95
when I worked for a PC clone builder. It was " ok, you want a
PC..well..then you have to pay the cash for the OS." People didn't get a
burn of it to just play with and give a promise to come back and buy the
fullbox if they liked it. Oh brother...
If you want free..give your customers the 3 bootdisks for Debian and let
them do it that way...heh.
->the picture?). Now, drop the "free beer" thing, its old. Unsaddle the
->"High Moral Horse" that you seem to be riding and join the rest of us in
the
->trenches.
->
->When was the last time you bought a car without driving it YOURSELF?
Using
->the live-eval (IN MY SITUATION) is like having someone test drive a car
for
->me by proxy. Dont make much sense, do it?
--
Ben Rosenberg
mailto:ben@whack.org
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If two men agree on everything, you can
be sure that only one of them is doing
the thinking.
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Ben Rosenberg
mailto:ben@whack.org
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If two men agree on everything, you can
be sure that only one of them is doing
the thinking.