[opensuse] Why does the 'apper' app not show what it is downloading?
Hi, I have used 'apper' for the 'updating', several times now. It shows an enormous window..... with nothing in it.... just a moving bar.. So why doesn't it show what it does, like zypper, and yast? Or is it not finished yet, and we have to wait for the update that it shows what it does? Regards, Rob. -- Have a nice day, Oddball. OS: Linux 3.1.10-1.16-desktop i686 Huidige gebruiker: odd@eeepc-9i2c Systeem: openSUSE 12.1 (i586) KDE: 4.7.2 (4.7.2) "release 5" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 15. Juli 2012, 18:53:50 schrieb OddBall:
I have used 'apper' for the 'updating', several times now. It shows an enormous window..... with nothing in it.... just a moving bar.. So why doesn't it show what it does, like zypper, and yast? Or is it not finished yet, and we have to wait for the update that it shows what it does?
Because apper can only show things it knows about. And the zypp developers at openSUSE did not bother to implement the functionality of telling packagekit anything about the progress of the download. The download is done by the zypp- backend, apper is just a frontend. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=681524 Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op 15-07-12 19:06, Sven Burmeister schreef:
Am Sonntag, 15. Juli 2012, 18:53:50 schrieb OddBall:
I have used 'apper' for the 'updating', several times now. It shows an enormous window..... with nothing in it.... just a moving bar.. So why doesn't it show what it does, like zypper, and yast? Or is it not finished yet, and we have to wait for the update that it shows what it does? Because apper can only show things it knows about. And the zypp developers at openSUSE did not bother to implement the functionality of telling packagekit anything about the progress of the download. The download is done by the zypp- backend, apper is just a frontend.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=681524
Sven
Ah, ok, 'just' a frontend... I thought what people see should look good... Personally i do not really like not to know what is going on... So i guess just use zypper or yast than for the job... thnx for the reaction. -- Have a nice day, Oddball. OS: Linux 3.1.10-1.16-desktop i686 Huidige gebruiker: odd@eeepc-9i2c Systeem: openSUSE 12.1 (i586) KDE: 4.7.2 (4.7.2) "release 5" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 19:31:46 +0200 OddBall <monkey9@iae.nl> wrote:
Ah, ok, 'just' a frontend...
Yes :) "Just" a very visible application that looks like "my first program" bringing openSUSE and KDE a lot of unwanted publicity, where your observation about lack of feedback is the mildest one. Now that you know that lack of features and almost all errors are due to midleware that connects libzypp to PackageKit, which is source of information for Apper, you understand that guys that work on package management in SUSE (libzypp, YaST, zypper, WebYaST and whatnot), could help a bit more with that midleware so that Apper and KDE in openSUSE look a bit more professional. What would be consequence? openSUSE and their downstream (SLES and SLED) will look a bit better. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-07-17 05:05, Rajko wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 19:31:46 +0200 OddBall <> wrote:
Ah, ok, 'just' a frontend...
Yes :)
"Just" a very visible application that looks like "my first program" bringing openSUSE and KDE a lot of unwanted publicity, where your observation about lack of feedback is the mildest one.
Now that you know that lack of features and almost all errors are due to midleware that connects libzypp to PackageKit, which is source of information for Apper, you understand that guys that work on package management in SUSE (libzypp, YaST, zypper, WebYaST and whatnot), could help a bit more with that midleware so that Apper and KDE in openSUSE look a bit more professional.
Indeed. The current situation provokes than on any apper related problem that pops up in the forum, the recommendation is to remove anything packagekit related, and use zypper or yast instead. Some might think that this is deviously intentional, making apper fail. >:-) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAFY3YACgkQIvFNjefEBxpoYgCgq7yldt4m/YE9K05eMMy2aYO2 ux0AoMsSjVqw9/zLnyfe3iTuUUzkWQ+6 =w+lt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:07:03 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
Some might think that this is deviously intentional, making apper fail. >:-)
Intentional or not, some may call that work place security, but without modern looking package management it can happen that whole openSUSE fails sooner then expected and wreck job security and retirement plans in the process. In other words, if I would be developer of software management, I would make sure that it works perfectly in all incarnations, specially those that are presented to every user, like Apper. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op 18-07-12 02:33, Rajko schreef:
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:07:03 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
Some might think that this is deviously intentional, making apper fail. >:-) Intentional or not, some may call that work place security, but without modern looking package management it can happen that whole openSUSE fails sooner then expected and wreck job security and retirement plans in the process. In other words, if I would be developer of software management, I would make sure that it works perfectly in all incarnations, specially those that are presented to every user, like Apper.
I totally agree... (nerd) -- Have a nice day, Oddball. OS: Linux 3.1.10-1.16-desktop i686 Huidige gebruiker: odd@eeepc-9i2c Systeem: openSUSE 12.1 (i586) KDE: 4.7.2 (4.7.2) "release 5" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Op 17-07-12 05:05, Rajko schreef:
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 19:31:46 +0200 OddBall <monkey9@iae.nl> wrote:
Ah, ok, 'just' a frontend... Yes :)
"Just" a very visible application that looks like "my first program" bringing openSUSE and KDE a lot of unwanted publicity, where your observation about lack of feedback is the mildest one.
Ok..
Now that you know that lack of features and almost all errors are due to midleware that connects libzypp to PackageKit, which is source of information for Apper, you understand that guys that work on package management in SUSE (libzypp, YaST, zypper, WebYaST and whatnot), could help a bit more with that midleware so that Apper and KDE in openSUSE look a bit more professional.
If they are aware that they can, maybe they will... It took a few versions, but look at what already works: It finds updates; It shows updates; It shows the rootpassword dialog, and more important: It accepts the password, and continues the task: Solves deps, Downloading.. (something...) And installing, visible what; Checks deps, and finishes. In between it asks permission, or offers a choice to show something or not. Then there is a not so elegant solution to close the window. So, it gets the job done. I think, when it shows what it is downloading, it will be almost ready. Maybe some cosmetic changes will make it more attractive: Dynamic window, dependable of what it shows, button to close.
What would be consequence? openSUSE and their downstream (SLES and SLED) will look a bit better.
Yes. And users that use 'cheaper' but newer versions of oS, will have a better looking, and working, 'gui' updater.. 8-) -- Have a nice day, Oddball. OS: Linux 3.1.10-1.16-desktop i686 Huidige gebruiker: odd@eeepc-9i2c Systeem: openSUSE 12.1 (i586) KDE: 4.7.2 (4.7.2) "release 5" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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