[opensuse] ctrl-alt-backspace in 10.3 vs. 11.1
Hello, I realize the ctrl-alt-backspace behavior changed in 11.0 where you need to hit ctrl-alt-backspace twice to kill the X server. In 10.3 when I ctrl-alt-backspace the X-server/KDM is killed and restarted, but in 11.1 when I hit ctrl-alt-backspace twice the X server/kdm just drops into console mode no X-server/kdm restart. Does anyone know how to get the old behavior back (X-server/kdm restart on ctrl-alt-backspace)? Where is this configured? Sincerely, - Henrik -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Henrik Schmiediche <henrik@stat.tamu.edu> wrote:
Hello, I realize the ctrl-alt-backspace behavior changed in 11.0 where you need to hit ctrl-alt-backspace twice to kill the X server. In 10.3 when I ctrl-alt-backspace the X-server/KDM is killed and restarted, but in 11.1 when I hit ctrl-alt-backspace twice the X server/kdm just drops into console mode… no X-server/kdm restart.
Does anyone know how to get the old behavior back (X-server/kdm restart on ctrl-alt-backspace)? Where is this configured?
Sincerely, - Henrik
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Actually, I like it where they drop into console with CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE instead of restarting X... I can run commands without X then without having to kill X from the terminal... Is your X frozen or something and you want to restart it? You can always login to terminal then run startx... Allen Zhu allen.jaloola@gmail.com Registered Linux User 484485 (http://counter.li.org/) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Allen Zhu <allen.jaloola@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Henrik Schmiediche <henrik@stat.tamu.edu> wrote:
Hello, I realize the ctrl-alt-backspace behavior changed in 11.0 where you need to hit ctrl-alt-backspace twice to kill the X server. In 10.3 when I ctrl-alt-backspace the X-server/KDM is killed and restarted, but in 11.1 when I hit ctrl-alt-backspace twice the X server/kdm just drops into console mode… no X-server/kdm restart.
Does anyone know how to get the old behavior back (X-server/kdm restart on ctrl-alt-backspace)? Where is this configured?
Sincerely, - Henrik
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Actually, I like it where they drop into console with CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE instead of restarting X...
I can run commands without X then without having to kill X from the terminal...
Allen, You do know about cntrl-alt-f1 and friends, right? If not, from a logged in KDE session, try it, and then alt-f7 to get back to kde. (I assume it works with any window manager, but I use kde.) Cntrl-alt-f10 is a good one too, but somehow I never think of it when I need it. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer First 99 Days Litigation White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/99%20Days%20whitepaper.pdf The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 17 February 2009, Henrik Schmiediche wrote:
Hello, I realize the ctrl-alt-backspace behavior changed in 11.0 where you need to hit ctrl-alt-backspace twice to kill the X server. In 10.3 when I ctrl-alt-backspace the X-server/KDM is killed and restarted, but in 11.1 when I hit ctrl-alt-backspace twice the X server/kdm just drops into console mode no X-server/kdm restart.
Does anyone know how to get the old behavior back (X-server/kdm restart on ctrl-alt-backspace)? Where is this configured?
This might be caused by the long time it takes Xorg to start. Try increasing ServerTimeout in /usr/share/kde4/config/kdm/kdmrc (or the equivalent if using KDE 3) to 30.
Sincerely, - Henrik Kind regards, Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, Thanks for the suggestion. I tried this and it did not help. Are you telling me when you type ctrl-alt-backspace from the kdm login screen it does not drop you into the console? - Henrik -----Original Message----- From: auxsvr@gmail.com [mailto:auxsvr@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:58 PM To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] ctrl-alt-backspace in 10.3 vs. 11.1 On Tuesday 17 February 2009, Henrik Schmiediche wrote:
Hello, I realize the ctrl-alt-backspace behavior changed in 11.0 where you need to hit ctrl-alt-backspace twice to kill the X server. In 10.3 when I ctrl-alt-backspace the X-server/KDM is killed and restarted, but in 11.1 when I hit ctrl-alt-backspace twice the X server/kdm just drops into console mode no X-server/kdm restart.
Does anyone know how to get the old behavior back (X-server/kdm restart on ctrl-alt-backspace)? Where is this configured?
This might be caused by the long time it takes Xorg to start. Try increasing ServerTimeout in /usr/share/kde4/config/kdm/kdmrc (or the equivalent if using KDE 3) to 30.
Sincerely, - Henrik Kind regards, Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Wednesday 18 February 2009, Henrik Schmiediche wrote:
Hello, Thanks for the suggestion. I tried this and it did not help. Are you telling me when you type ctrl-alt-backspace from the kdm login screen it does not drop you into the console?
I just tried it here (OS 11.1), kdm restarts if I type Ctrl-Alt-Backspace twice from the login screen. Perhaps you should increase ServerTimeout to a larger value (60)?
- Henrik
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On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Henrik Schmiediche <henrik@stat.tamu.edu> wrote:
Hello, Thanks for the suggestion. I tried this and it did not help. Are you telling me when you type ctrl-alt-backspace from the kdm login screen it does not drop you into the console?
- Henrik
From my experience, if X was started using 'startx', then hitting ctrl+alt+bs twice will drop into console mode. The only way to get it to display the login screen is to start X using 'init 5'. Try going to init 3, then init 5 and see if ctrl+alt+bs still drops into console.
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On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 16:08, Nkoli <coomac@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Henrik Schmiediche <henrik@stat.tamu.edu> wrote:
Hello, Thanks for the suggestion. I tried this and it did not help. Are you telling me when you type ctrl-alt-backspace from the kdm login screen it does not drop you into the console?
- Henrik
From my experience, if X was started using 'startx', then hitting ctrl+alt+bs twice will drop into console mode. The only way to get it to display the login screen is to start X using 'init 5'. Try going to init 3, then init 5 and see if ctrl+alt+bs still drops into console. And also make sure that /etc/inittab has
# The default runlevel is defined here id:5:initdefault: and not id:3:initdefault: ne... -- Registered Linux User # 125653 (http://counter.li.org) Now accepting personal mail for GMail invites. Katharine Hepburn - "Life is hard. After all, it kills you." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, I am starting X by using "init 5" (on startup). This does not solve my problem. It seems the problem is specific to my configuration since others are reporting ctrl-alt-bs will not drop them to the console. Still this is itself baffling since I am running a pretty new install and the behavior was there from the beginning. I do not know what caused this. - Henrik -----Original Message----- From: Nkoli [mailto:coomac@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:09 AM To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] ctrl-alt-backspace in 10.3 vs. 11.1 On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Henrik Schmiediche <henrik@stat.tamu.edu> wrote:
Hello, Thanks for the suggestion. I tried this and it did not help. Are you
telling
me when you type ctrl-alt-backspace from the kdm login screen it does not drop you into the console?
- Henrik
From my experience, if X was started using 'startx', then hitting ctrl+alt+bs twice will drop into console mode. The only way to get it to display the login screen is to start X using 'init 5'. Try going to init 3, then init 5 and see if ctrl+alt+bs still drops into console.
Nkoli -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Henrik Schmiediche <henrik@stat.tamu.edu> wrote:
Hello, I am starting X by using "init 5" (on startup). This does not solve my problem. It seems the problem is specific to my configuration since others are reporting ctrl-alt-bs will not drop them to the console. Still this is itself baffling since I am running a pretty new install and the behavior was there from the beginning. I do not know what caused this.
- Henrik
Hmm, that is strange. After it drops to console, does X continue to run? Ie, can you switch back to your session using alt+f7? If so, it could be a very weird keymapping confusion. If ctrl+alt+bs does kill the X server, then I'm thinking you either don't have the package containing kdm installed or you don't have a login manager set in /etc/sysconfig. Nkoli -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello Nkoli, after I do ctrl-alt-bs from the KDM login manager, KDM exits and X is no longer running. I do have the display manager defined in /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager and I do have the KDM packages installed (kde4-kdm...) See my other post regarding KDM vs. GDM. GDM seems to behave as expected. - Henrik -----Original Message----- From: Nkoli [mailto:coomac@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:07 PM To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] ctrl-alt-backspace in 10.3 vs. 11.1 On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Henrik Schmiediche <henrik@stat.tamu.edu> wrote:
Hello, I am starting X by using "init 5" (on startup). This does not solve my problem. It seems the problem is specific to my configuration since others are reporting ctrl-alt-bs will not drop them to the console. Still this is itself baffling since I am running a pretty new install and the behavior was there from the beginning. I do not know what caused this.
- Henrik
Hmm, that is strange. After it drops to console, does X continue to run? Ie, can you switch back to your session using alt+f7? If so, it could be a very weird keymapping confusion. If ctrl+alt+bs does kill the X server, then I'm thinking you either don't have the package containing kdm installed or you don't have a login manager set in /etc/sysconfig. Nkoli -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2009-02-18 at 13:24 -0600, Henrik Schmiediche wrote:
I am starting X by using "init 5" (on startup). This does not solve my
If, as I deduce from the above, your default runlevel is not 5, X will not restart when you use the ctrl-alt-backspace combo. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmcbLQACgkQtTMYHG2NR9V9qACfdhClE19edQ4nhgln4EUWOytn pKcAn3ZddXYCm/EKc3kSd+AfM6BWKaBc =/Y50 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
No, my default run level 5. -henrik -----Original Message----- From: Carlos E. R. [mailto:robin.listas@telefonica.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:17 PM To: OS-en Subject: RE: [opensuse] ctrl-alt-backspace in 10.3 vs. 11.1 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2009-02-18 at 13:24 -0600, Henrik Schmiediche wrote:
I am starting X by using "init 5" (on startup). This does not solve my
If, as I deduce from the above, your default runlevel is not 5, X will not restart when you use the ctrl-alt-backspace combo. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmcbLQACgkQtTMYHG2NR9V9qACfdhClE19edQ4nhgln4EUWOytn pKcAn3ZddXYCm/EKc3kSd+AfM6BWKaBc =/Y50 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, OK, here is some new info. After being told other are not experiencing this issue... I switched my display manager in /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager from "kdm" to "gdm". Viola! When I use gdm, ctrl-alt-bs simply resets/restarts the GDM display manager. This does not happen with KDM. I am wondering if those users who told me ctrl-alt-bs behaves different then I described are really using GDM. Can someone verify for me ctrl-alt-bs does not kill the KDM manager and the problem is specific to my system? - Henrik -----Original Message----- From: Carlos E. R. [mailto:robin.listas@telefonica.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:17 PM To: OS-en Subject: RE: [opensuse] ctrl-alt-backspace in 10.3 vs. 11.1 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2009-02-18 at 13:24 -0600, Henrik Schmiediche wrote:
I am starting X by using "init 5" (on startup). This does not solve my
If, as I deduce from the above, your default runlevel is not 5, X will not restart when you use the ctrl-alt-backspace combo. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmcbLQACgkQtTMYHG2NR9V9qACfdhClE19edQ4nhgln4EUWOytn pKcAn3ZddXYCm/EKc3kSd+AfM6BWKaBc =/Y50 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 17 February 2009 19:51:46 Henrik Schmiediche wrote:
Hello, I realize the ctrl-alt-backspace behavior changed in 11.0 where you need to hit ctrl-alt-backspace twice to kill the X server. In 10.3 when I ctrl-alt-backspace the X-server/KDM is killed and restarted, but in 11.1 when I hit ctrl-alt-backspace twice the X server/kdm just drops into console mode no X-server/kdm restart.
Does anyone know how to get the old behavior back (X-server/kdm restart on ctrl-alt-backspace)? Where is this configured?
We documented it in the 11.0 release notes, I've pasted the relevant paragraph below: Pressing Ctrl-Alt-Backspace on GNOME, KDE, or any other graphical desktop does not terminate the X server any longer. If you press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace within 2 seconds again, it terminates the X server. On most hardware you hear a beep after the first Ctrl-Alt-Backspace press. In the past it was possible to accidentally terminate an X server using this key combination. Nevertheless, if you want to continue to use this key combination to terminate your X server, remove the following line from the ServerFlags section of the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file: Option "ZapWarning" "on" For more information, see the xorg.conf manpage. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2009-02-18 at 11:20 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Tuesday 17 February 2009 19:51:46 Henrik Schmiediche wrote:
Hello, I realize the ctrl-alt-backspace behavior changed in 11.0 where you need to hit ctrl-alt-backspace twice to kill the X server. In 10.3 when I ctrl-alt-backspace the X-server/KDM is killed and restarted, but in 11.1 when I hit ctrl-alt-backspace twice the X server/kdm just drops into console mode? no X-server/kdm restart.
Does anyone know how to get the old behavior back (X-server/kdm restart on ctrl-alt-backspace)? Where is this configured?
We documented it in the 11.0 release notes, I've pasted the relevant paragraph below:
Pressing Ctrl-Alt-Backspace on GNOME, KDE, or any other graphical desktop does not terminate the X server any longer. If you press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace within 2 seconds again, it terminates the X server. On most hardware you hear a beep after the first Ctrl-Alt-Backspace press.
Yes, but that leaves him in text mode. Shouldn't X restart automatically? Is that configurable, or is it a bug? That's the OP question :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmb/EYACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VWYwCghlkSGfwleJVUwNwsGaP6bBbR 4k8Anj+AsRBHCQ0DGba9mr/KmcOSxkVr =ZUPB -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hello I read the release notes before I posted and they do not address the issue (unless my configuration is messed up). The ZapWarning option changes the behavior in that you no longer have to press ctrl-alt-backspace twice. If I remove this option, the first ctrl-alt-backspace will log me out to the kdm screen and the second one will drop me to the console mode. In 10.3, ctrl-alt-backspace, logged me out but then repeated ctrl-alt-backspace's would simply restart/reinit the X-server and redisplay the kdm login screen. It would *not* drop me to console mode. Can someone verify this is not just happening to me? Sincerely, - Henrik -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Jaeger [mailto:aj@suse.de] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:21 AM To: opensuse@opensuse.org Cc: Henrik Schmiediche Subject: Re: [opensuse] ctrl-alt-backspace in 10.3 vs. 11.1 On Tuesday 17 February 2009 19:51:46 Henrik Schmiediche wrote:
Hello, I realize the ctrl-alt-backspace behavior changed in 11.0 where you need to hit ctrl-alt-backspace twice to kill the X server. In 10.3 when I ctrl-alt-backspace the X-server/KDM is killed and restarted, but in 11.1 when I hit ctrl-alt-backspace twice the X server/kdm just drops into console mode no X-server/kdm restart.
Does anyone know how to get the old behavior back (X-server/kdm restart on ctrl-alt-backspace)? Where is this configured?
We documented it in the 11.0 release notes, I've pasted the relevant paragraph below: Pressing Ctrl-Alt-Backspace on GNOME, KDE, or any other graphical desktop does not terminate the X server any longer. If you press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace within 2 seconds again, it terminates the X server. On most hardware you hear a beep after the first Ctrl-Alt-Backspace press. In the past it was possible to accidentally terminate an X server using this key combination. Nevertheless, if you want to continue to use this key combination to terminate your X server, remove the following line from the ServerFlags section of the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file: Option "ZapWarning" "on" For more information, see the xorg.conf manpage. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 18 February 2009 16:26:49 Henrik Schmiediche wrote:
Hello I read the release notes before I posted and they do not address the issue (unless my configuration is messed up). The ZapWarning option changes the behavior in that you no longer have to press ctrl-alt-backspace twice. If I remove this option, the first ctrl-alt-backspace will log me out to the kdm screen and the second one will drop me to the console mode. In 10.3, ctrl-alt-backspace, logged me out but then repeated ctrl-alt-backspace's would simply restart/reinit the X-server and redisplay the kdm login screen. It would *not* drop me to console mode.
Ah, I misunderstood you. You might want to file a bug report for this. Could be a bug somewhere else, AFAIK it's not a feature, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Tuesday 17 February 2009 19:51:46 Henrik Schmiediche wrote:
In the past it was possible to accidentally terminate an X server using this key combination. Nevertheless, if you want to continue to use this key combination to terminate your X server, remove the following line from the ServerFlags section of the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file:
Option "ZapWarning" "on"
Ah hah! That's where that Option came from! I had scrubbed it from my xorg.conf with no ill affect, but was curious where it came from. Thanks Andreas. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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