This is what...? For $24.95 you get the whole Star Office 6 which is usually what, $79? Why or how is that? Is this the whole things or is more in the retail package from Sun? Could a Suse person comment and tell us about this? Thanks Forrest On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:22:05 -0800 (AKDT), a large badger frolicked about on your keyboard, and out came:

Well you could buy a copy from SuSE and then ask for help :-) See http://store.suse.com/dr/v2/ec_MAIN.Entry10?V1=387406&PN=1&SP=10023&xid=40017&DSP=&CUR=840&PGRP=0&CACHE_ID=0

(It's one long URL)

/Dee

Robert Storey wrote:

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Maybe this was addressed before, but I missed it.

Installed OpenOffice 1.0 today. The good news is that it seems to have some nice features. The bad news is:

1) Noticeably slower than StarOffice 5.2 2) Unbelievably crappy fonts in the menus - almost illegible.

There's probably no hope for fixing the speed, but does anyone have an idea about better menu fonts? I'll confess that my video card only supports Xfree86 3.x - a new video card and upgrading to Xfree86 4.x might fix the font problem (then again, maybe not). The actual document fonts are OK - it's just the menus (and interestingly, the Help manual under the Help menu has good fonts).

Since these are problems with OpenOffice, does anyone know if upgrading to payware StarOffice 6.0 would fix these problems? I'm willing to pay if it really fixes things, but not willing if I wind up with the same illegible menus and tortoise-like speed.

- Robert Storey

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* Forrest Halford (halfordf@colorado.edu) [020626 23:33]: ::This is what...? ::For $24.95 you get the whole Star Office 6 which is usually what, $79? ::Why or how is that? ::Is this the whole things or is more in the retail package from Sun? :: ::Could a Suse person comment and tell us about this? Sun hasn't made a huge whoop about it. But they are selling licenses for StarOffice 6.0 to OEM's like SuSE and RH for $10 a crack and they can do as they please with them. So they charge you for a book, support and printing costs and decided $24.95 was a good price. Even though Sun is selling their licenses for $79.00. The CD's have all the versions on it I believe. I was told this by a SuSE employee. :) -=Ben --=====-----=====-- mailto:ben@whack.org --=====-- Tell me what you believe..I tell you what you should see. -DP --=====-----=====--

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I was told this by a SuSE employee. :)

And you should a) have hit whoever that was over the head for being STUPID b) kept silent and not posted it here.

We have an NDA with Sun, this and it is absolutely clear, common decency, etc. that you (in this case whoever tyou got it from, not you because you are not with SuSE and therefore not bound by anything) don't talk in public about what you discuss behind closed doors, and DEFINITELY not about the contents of contract between the companies!!!

Since I have already placed my order for the CD, confirmation that it WILL have all the Sun parts would be nice to see. I had assumed that the database stuff would probably be missing and since I use Firebird exclusively I was not bothered, but it is simply not practical to say 'keep silent' when it is an item on the price list! -- Lester Caine ----------------------------- L.S.Caine Electronic Services

Scrub that - I've found the right page on the website now. I apparently went straight to the 'sales desk' as that was the only link available when I went through <g> -- Lester Caine ----------------------------- L.S.Caine Electronic Services

Ah - the problems of moving from an ideology of 'open source' to normal business practice! Takes time to adjust, so please don't hit whoever it was. In any case, even someone who does not have a SuSE employee lurking in a handy broom-cupboard must have worked out what was happening - it's business as normal and nothing to be ashamed of.

Just because a company's products are open source it doesn't mean that that company follows a different business practise to the rest of the world. Contracts, both technical and financial, are confidential, regardless of the licencing of the product they might relate to. Someone at SuSE was out of order disclosing details, and Ben was out of order revealing the nature of his source. This sort of thing could lead to Sun refusing to do business with SuSE. -- There are 10 types of people: those who understand binary, and those who don't

On Thursday 27 June 2002 03:53, Michael Hasenstein wrote:

And you should a) have hit whoever that was over the head for being STUPID b) kept silent and not posted it here.

We have an NDA with Sun, this and it is absolutely clear, common decency, etc. that you (in this case whoever tyou got it from, not you because you are not with SuSE and therefore not bound by anything) don't talk in public about what you discuss behind closed doors, and DEFINITELY not about the contents of contract between the companies!!!

Michael

a) You should be hit over the head for CC the message to the list. b) I think most users here could of guessed on how the deal went! c) You could of used this opportunity to make a nice announcement to the list concering what was in the new Suse package, turning everything into a plus! Then we might of seen more messages on what a great deal this is for Suse users. Now we'll get negative replies along with Suse company policy issues, just what we needed. John -- "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I -- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference." -- Robert Frost

Well put Ben. Nobody deserves to be treated like you were, especially by a SuSE employee. I know it is a public mailing list, but Michael Hasenstein is giving SuSE a bad name with his attitude towards SuSE customers. On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 12:49, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

* Michael Hasenstein (mha@suse.com) [020627 00:50]: :: ::And you should ::a) have hit whoever that was over the head for being STUPID ::b) kept silent and not posted it here. :: ::We have an NDA with Sun, this and it is absolutely clear, common ::decency, etc. that you (in this case whoever tyou got it from, not you ::because you are not with SuSE and therefore not bound by anything) don't ::talk in public about what you discuss behind closed doors, and ::DEFINITELY not about the contents of contract between the companies!!! ::

You moron. RH announced this and Sun said they were selling it to OEMs such as SuSe and RH for the $10. It's public fucking knowledge. DO NOT publicly berate me if you don't know what the fuck your talking about. When it's common knowledge that's just been confirmed you have no right to talk to me in such a manner. Who the bloody hell do you think you are. You infantile, illinformed goof. Please do not publicly go off on my again or we will have a coming to Jesus meeting..as in you meeting Jesus personally. Got it..good.

I can understand why people think you are a social outcast. You have the manners of a goat.

-=Ben

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Not really. Whatever the rights and wrongs I don't think that Michael H warranted your foul threatening outburst. Surely this list can do without such animosity. Please control yourself Ben! On Thursday 27 Jun 2002 8:42 pm, Peter Akre wrote:

Well put Ben. Nobody deserves to be treated like you were, especially by a SuSE employee. I know it is a public mailing list, but Michael Hasenstein is giving SuSE a bad name with his attitude towards SuSE customers.

On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 12:49, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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* Michael Hasenstein (mha@suse.com) [020627 00:50]: ::And you should ::a) have hit whoever that was over the head for being :: STUPID b) kept silent and not posted it here. :: ::We have an NDA with Sun, this and it is absolutely clear, :: common decency, etc. that you (in this case whoever tyou :: got it from, not you because you are not with SuSE and :: therefore not bound by anything) don't talk in public :: about what you discuss behind closed doors, and :: DEFINITELY not about the contents of contract between the :: companies!!!

You moron. RH announced this and Sun said they were selling it to OEMs such as SuSe and RH for the $10. It's public fucking knowledge. DO NOT publicly berate me if you don't know what the fuck your talking about. When it's common knowledge that's just been confirmed you have no right to talk to me in such a manner. Who the bloody hell do you think you are. You infantile, illinformed goof. Please do not publicly go off on my again or we will have a coming to Jesus meeting..as in you meeting Jesus personally. Got it..good.

I can understand why people think you are a social outcast. You have the manners of a goat.

-=Ben

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Peter Akre wrote:

Well put Ben. Nobody deserves to be treated like you were, especially by a SuSE employee. I know it is a public mailing list, but Michael Hasenstein is giving SuSE a bad name with his attitude towards SuSE customers.

Have you both gone berserk? I EXPLICITLY said several times that it is NOT Ben's fault but whoever he got the info from. If it was public knowledge, you could just have pointed it out to me. Just WHO has an attitude problem??? Michael

Please please, Ben, Michael and everybody else. This kind of sWordFight does noone no good at all. I recommend that we all take this matter and dig it somewhere deep in the Arizona Desert. How about that ? -tosi -- All the animals in the forest should be friends. On Fri, 2002-06-28 at 08:16, Michael Hasenstein wrote:

Peter Akre wrote:

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Well put Ben. Nobody deserves to be treated like you were, especially by a SuSE employee. I know it is a public mailing list, but Michael Hasenstein is giving SuSE a bad name with his attitude towards SuSE customers.

Have you both gone berserk? I EXPLICITLY said several times that it is NOT Ben's fault but whoever he got the info from.

If it was public knowledge, you could just have pointed it out to me.

Just WHO has an attitude problem???

Michael

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Nick Selby wrote:

Robert, On Thursday 27 June 2002 07:58, Robert Storey wrote:

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Since these are problems with OpenOffice, does anyone know if upgrading to payware StarOffice 6.0 would fix these problems? I'm willing to pay if it really fixes things, but not willing if I wind up with the same illegible menus and tortoise-like speed.

I did just that and I am not happy but delighted. My complaints about the fonts on SO 5.2 won me a spiked article at ZDnet when I savaged the software. Now I have used the commercial SO 6 for document preparation and literally the most important presentation of my career (to corporate presdidents and vice prsident sand have become a convert.

The fonts look very, very good; Impress is 99% as god as Power Point, and the graphing and charting functions are in my opinion a bit better. There were NO font problems whatsoever. I strongly recommend it and while I'm pissed off that Suse has it for 24.95, I will say that the $79.95 I paid at Amazon earlier this month to get it (I was in a real hurry) was worth it to my company.

Nick

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Patrick wrote: On Thursday 27 June 2002 01:58, Robert Storey wrote:

Maybe this was addressed before, but I missed it.

Installed OpenOffice 1.0 today. The good news is that it seems to have some nice features. The bad news is:

1) Noticeably slower than StarOffice 5.2 2) Unbelievably crappy fonts in the menus - almost illegible.

There's probably no hope for fixing the speed, but does anyone have an idea about better menu fonts? I'll confess that my video card only supports Xfree86 3.x - a new video card and upgrading to Xfree86 4.x might fix the font problem (then again, maybe not). The actual document fonts are OK - it's just the menus (and interestingly, the Help manual under the Help menu has good fonts).

Since these are problems with OpenOffice, does anyone know if upgrading to payware StarOffice 6.0 would fix these problems? I'm willing to pay if it really fixes things, but not willing if I wind up with the same illegible menus and tortoise-like speed.

- Robert Storey ===================== Hey all, Since Robert's original thoughts were about fonts, can we get back to

those for a minute? After installing OO 1.0 with SuSE 8.0, I found it to work very well overall and the fonts were very nice that were included with the download. Since then, I have added some truetype fonts and seem to work very well with the program. I also added some other Type 1 fonts, so that all the KDE programs could use them and OO 1.0 did not like those at all. Most of the fonts will not even display on screen nor print. Whenever I use one of the Type 1 fonts, I just get a big blank page from a one line of text. The fonts work well in all my other programs, wordprocessors, etc, so that leads me to believe all the fonts are installed correctly. Open Office seems to be the only program that doesn't like the Type 1 fonts. Even StarOffice 5.2 can use them ok. Any thoughts, hints or solutions? ...and thanks SuSE for providing us another excellent package & pricing! (StarOffice 6.0) Patrick -- ----------end of line........ --- KMail v1.4.1 --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.0 --- Registered Linux User #225206 -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Lets all get back to what this list is all about, helping each other. I have SuSE 7.1 Pro. Can I install KDE 3.0.1 on it? Does the $24.95 SuSE Linux Pro-Office include a printed manual? Does it have the windo$ (ugg) version on it? Thanks in advance, jozien

Terence McCarthy wrote:

On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 00:32:34 -0400 Joe Zien wrote:

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Hey all, Since Robert's original thoughts were about fonts, can we get back to

those for a minute? After installing OO 1.0 with SuSE 8.0, I found it to work very well overall and the fonts were very nice that were included with the download. Since then, I have added some truetype fonts and seem to work very well with the program. I also added some other Type 1 fonts, so that all the KDE programs could use them and OO 1.0 did not like those at all.

Most of the fonts will not even display on screen nor print. Whenever I use one of the Type 1 fonts, I just get a big blank page from a one line of text. The fonts work well in all my other programs, wordprocessors, etc, so that leads me to believe all the fonts are installed correctly. Open Office seems to be the only program that doesn't like the Type 1 fonts. Even StarOffice 5.2 can use them ok.

I have installed a load of Type 1 fonts and OO 1.00 has no problems in displaying or printing them at any size. I'm using 7.3, but this shouldn't make any difference, should it?

Terence

OpenOffice 1.0 fonts are a complete disaster with 7.3 coupled with my Nvidia Gforce 3 card. I also get dangling bits of curser left here and there throughout the documents, land letters which sit on top of one another (something which was mentioned by a few others). Perhaps the card one is using has much to do with whether one is or is not seeing this problem? Lawrence Sayre ------------------------------------------------------ My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a moral being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute. Ayn Rand (in the appendix to 'Atlas Shrugged') ------------------------------------------------------