"I have recently read about a new form of software, that which is in a permanent state of beta release. Linux and Netscape are 2 good examples of this."
also sprach Cliff Sarginson (on Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:44:07AM +0000):
"I have recently read about a new form of software, that which is in a permanent state of beta release. Linux and Netscape are 2 good examples of this."
netscape sure, but the beta concept really doesn't apply to linux as you advocated it. i'd rather say it's netscape and micro$oft which are constantly in beta. linux is open source, the concept beta can't apply to it as it would to netscape... martin [greetings from the heart of the sun]# echo madduck@!#:1:s@\@@@.net -- "know what I hate most? rhetorical questions." -- henry n. camp
On Thursday 25 January 2001 09:23, MaD dUCK wrote:
also sprach Cliff Sarginson (on Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:44:07AM +0000):
"I have recently read about a new form of software, that which is in a permanent state of beta release. Linux and Netscape are 2 good examples of this."
netscape sure, but the beta concept really doesn't apply to linux as you advocated it. i'd rather say it's netscape and micro$oft which are constantly in beta. linux is open source, the concept beta can't apply to it as it would to netscape...
martin
knocked over with one blow! :-) -- Scientific theories, according to Sir Karl Popper, can be "falsified," or proven wrong, by experiment. Unscientific theories -Marxist dialectical history and Freudian psychology were Popper's favorites- are formed in such a way that they cannot be falsified by data.
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 05:46:17PM -0600, Jerry Kreps wrote:
On Thursday 25 January 2001 09:23, MaD dUCK wrote:
also sprach Cliff Sarginson (on Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:44:07AM +0000):
"I have recently read about a new form of software, that which is in a permanent state of beta release. Linux and Netscape are 2 good examples of this."
netscape sure, but the beta concept really doesn't apply to linux as you advocated it. i'd rather say it's netscape and micro$oft which are constantly in beta. linux is open source, the concept beta can't apply to it as it would to netscape...
martin
knocked over with one blow! :-)
Mmm. I suspect you may be taking the quote just a tad too seriously. For information I was installing OpenSSl at my work, and I read that comment in one of the files. The author said it applied to his SSL code as well... so now you know.. Cliff
On Thursday 25 January 2001 17:50, Cliff Sarginson wrote:
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 05:46:17PM -0600, Jerry Kreps wrote:
On Thursday 25 January 2001 09:23, MaD dUCK wrote:
also sprach Cliff Sarginson (on Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:44:07AM +0000):
"I have recently read about a new form of software, that which is in a permanent state of beta release. Linux and Netscape are 2 good examples of this."
netscape sure, but the beta concept really doesn't apply to linux as you advocated it. i'd rather say it's netscape and micro$oft which are constantly in beta. linux is open source, the concept beta can't apply to it as it would to netscape...
martin
knocked over with one blow! :-)
Mmm. I suspect you may be taking the quote just a tad too seriously. For information I was installing OpenSSl at my work, and I read that comment in one of the files. The author said it applied to his SSL code as well... so now you know..
Cliff
Actually, the 'author' is wrong. Linus used the phrase "Given enough eyes all bugs are shallow" and "publish early and publish often". There is NO such thing as beta in Linux, there are only folks who use Win-ish terms in their discussions. If you have the source you have it all..... and now you know ;-) JLK -- Scientific theories, according to Sir Karl Popper, can be "falsified," or proven wrong, by experiment. Unscientific theories -Marxist dialectical history and Freudian psychology were Popper's favorites- are formed in such a way that they cannot be falsified by data.
Actually, the 'author' is wrong. Linus used the phrase "Given enough eyes all bugs are shallow" and "publish early and publish often". There is NO such thing as beta in Linux, there are only folks who use
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What about the saying, "Many hands make light work." ??? Is all the same thing so does it matter? If you mean that the software is constantly being improved then you could consider Linux always in beta. If you mean that it's buggy then you've obviously never seen a release of Windows that wasn't beta. As for Netscape they just suck since AOL ruined them but the Mozilla project and their great Netscape programmers involved still rock. :) Hey think this could be a really long pointless bumper sticker for nerds? *^*^*^* Have the courage to take your own thoughts seriously, for they will shape you. -- Albert Einstein On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Jerry Kreps wrote:
On Thursday 25 January 2001 17:50, Cliff Sarginson wrote:
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 05:46:17PM -0600, Jerry Kreps wrote:
On Thursday 25 January 2001 09:23, MaD dUCK wrote:
also sprach Cliff Sarginson (on Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:44:07AM +0000):
"I have recently read about a new form of software, that which is in a permanent state of beta release. Linux and Netscape are 2 good examples of this."
netscape sure, but the beta concept really doesn't apply to linux as you advocated it. i'd rather say it's netscape and micro$oft which are constantly in beta. linux is open source, the concept beta can't apply to it as it would to netscape...
martin
knocked over with one blow! :-)
Mmm. I suspect you may be taking the quote just a tad too seriously. For information I was installing OpenSSl at my work, and I read that comment in one of the files. The author said it applied to his SSL code as well... so now you know..
Cliff
Actually, the 'author' is wrong. Linus used the phrase "Given enough eyes all bugs are shallow" and "publish early and publish often". There is NO such thing as beta in Linux, there are only folks who use Win-ish terms in their discussions. If you have the source you have it all..... and now you know ;-) JLK
-- Scientific theories, according to Sir Karl Popper, can be "falsified," or proven wrong, by experiment. Unscientific theories -Marxist dialectical history and Freudian psychology were Popper's favorites- are formed in such a way that they cannot be falsified by data.
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On Thursday 25 January 2001 20:21, Michael wrote:
What about the saying, "Many hands make light work." ??? Is all the same thing so does it matter? If you mean that the software is constantly being improved then you could consider Linux always in beta. If you mean that it's buggy then you've obviously never seen a release of Windows that wasn't beta. As for Netscape they just suck since AOL ruined them but the Mozilla project and their great Netscape programmers involved still rock. :) Hey think this could be a really long pointless bumper sticker for nerds?
*^*^*^* Have the courage to take your own thoughts seriously, for they will shape you. -- Albert Einstein
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Jerry Kreps wrote:
On Thursday 25 January 2001 17:50, Cliff Sarginson wrote:
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 05:46:17PM -0600, Jerry Kreps wrote:
On Thursday 25 January 2001 09:23, MaD dUCK wrote:
also sprach Cliff Sarginson (on Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:44:07AM +0000):
"I have recently read about a new form of software, that which is in a permanent state of beta release. Linux and Netscape are 2 good examples of this."
netscape sure, but the beta concept really doesn't apply to linux as you advocated it. i'd rather say it's netscape and micro$oft which are constantly in beta. linux is open source, the concept beta can't apply to it as it would to netscape...
martin
knocked over with one blow! :-)
Mmm. I suspect you may be taking the quote just a tad too seriously. For information I was installing OpenSSl at my work, and I read that comment in one of the files. The author said it applied to his SSL code as well... so now you know..
Cliff
Actually, the 'author' is wrong. Linus used the phrase "Given enough eyes all bugs are shallow" and "publish early and publish often". There is NO such thing as beta in Linux, there are only folks who use Win-ish terms in their discussions. If you have the source you have it all..... and now you know ;-) JLK
-- Scientific theories, according to Sir Karl Popper, can be "falsified," or proven wrong, by experiment. Unscientific theories -Marxist dialectical history and Freudian psychology were Popper's favorites- are formed in such a way that they cannot be falsified by data.
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-- Scientific theories, according to Sir Karl Popper, can be "falsified," or proven wrong, by experiment. Unscientific theories -Marxist dialectical history and Freudian psychology were Popper's favorites- are formed in such a way that they cannot be falsified by data.
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 06:32:48PM -0600, Jerry Kreps wrote:
On Thursday 25 January 2001 17:50, Cliff Sarginson wrote:
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 05:46:17PM -0600, Jerry Kreps wrote:
On Thursday 25 January 2001 09:23, MaD dUCK wrote:
also sprach Cliff Sarginson (on Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:44:07AM +0000):
"I have recently read about a new form of software, that which is in a permanent state of beta release. Linux and Netscape are 2 good examples of this."
I swear to god I am never going to send a vaguely humourous quote to this list ever again. It wasn't meant to stimulate a debate. Cliff
also sprach Cliff Sarginson (on Fri, 26 Jan 2001 07:56:55AM +0100):
I swear to god I am never going to send a vaguely humourous quote to this list ever again. It wasn't meant to stimulate a debate.
my apologies on that one. i just get belligerent whenever micro$oft is being talked about and incredibly defensive when any flavor of UNIX isn't praised. martin [greetings from the heart of the sun]# echo madduck@!#:1:s@\@@@.net -- "you raise the blade, you make the change you rearrange me till i'm sane. you lock the door, and throw away the key, there's someone in my head but it's not me." -- pink floyd, 1972
MaD dUCK writes:
also sprach Cliff Sarginson (on Fri, 26 Jan 2001 07:56:55AM +0100):
I swear to god I am never going to send a vaguely humourous quote to this list ever again. It wasn't meant to stimulate a debate.
my apologies on that one. i just get belligerent whenever micro$oft is being talked about and incredibly defensive when any flavor of UNIX isn't praised.
Any flavor. I have nothing good to say about HPUX, Digital, or Unixware, so I won't say anything at all.
martin
[greetings from the heart of the sun]# echo madduck@!#:1:s@\@@@.net -- "you raise the blade, you make the change you rearrange me till i'm sane. you lock the door, and throw away the key, there's someone in my head but it's not me." -- pink floyd, 1972
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Jerry Kreps wrote:
Actually, the 'author' is wrong. Linus used the phrase "Given enough eyes all bugs are shallow" and "publish early and publish often". There is NO such thing as beta in Linux, there are only folks who use Win-ish terms in their discussions. If you have the source you have it all..... and now you know ;-)
Actually, I think those were ESR quotes. -- Rachel
On Friday 26 January 2001 03:29, Rachel Greenham wrote:
Jerry Kreps wrote:
Actually, the 'author' is wrong. Linus used the phrase "Given enough eyes all bugs are shallow" and "publish early and publish often". There is NO such thing as beta in Linux, there are only folks who use Win-ish terms in their discussions. If you have the source you have it all..... and now you know ;-)
Actually, I think those were ESR quotes.
Boing! (particle of brain rattling around in cranium...) Rachel, Your right! -- Scientific theories, according to Sir Karl Popper, can be "falsified," or proven wrong, by experiment. Unscientific theories -Marxist dialectical history and Freudian psychology were Popper's favorites- are formed in such a way that they cannot be falsified by data.
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