letters mean? I just bought a Shuttle Spacewalker HOT-569A (430TX chipset), and it hauls butt. Since I only paid $89 (or so) for it, I'm inclined to believe it's a cheap board.
Actually my experience with Shuttle has been pretty good. The real issue with the TX chip set is it wont cache memeory over 64MB. So if you expand pass that, you take a BIG performance penalty. Otherwise Shuttle is not bad. Keep posted on their web site as to bios updates and such. - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
At 10:58 AM 8/29/98 -0400, you wrote:
Actually my experience with Shuttle has been pretty good. The real issue with the TX chip set is it wont cache memeory over 64MB. So if you expand pass that, you take a BIG performance penalty.
That is incorrect. The performance hit is small (<5%) and it evens out becuase you access the hard drive less frequently. Jerome K. - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
At 12:47 PM 8/29/98 -0500, you wrote:
At 10:58 AM 8/29/98 -0400, you wrote:
Actually my experience with Shuttle has been pretty good. The real issue with the TX chip set is it wont cache memeory over 64MB. So if you expand pass that, you take a BIG performance penalty.
That is incorrect. The performance hit is small (<5%) and it evens out becuase you access the hard drive less frequently.
Where do you get this number ( < 5 %)? I would think that to measure the performance of a computer having no cache above 64 M one would have to do really specific tests and the result would be very application dependent. Your post makes it sound as if caching has not much effect at all. I think that's giving the wrong picture. You say, it "evens out..." - maybe under certain circumstances with heavy disk I/O and using DMA but on the other side, when you have a CPU-intensive application using more than 64 M or a multiuser system with more than one user you most certainly pay a penalty. I personally would stay away from a system like that as well as other Intel marketing gimmicks like Celeron. Samartha PS.: On the Intel web site, there is a comparison of Celeron processor with the same speed, one with and one without cache. - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
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I personally would stay away from a system like that as well as other Intel marketing gimmicks like Celeron.
Celeron is not a marketing gimmick. It is a good cpu for someone who wants maximum gaming performance for minimum dollar. It's also a good cpu for overclocking. Just because you or I don't want a watered down intel doesn't mean that it isn't a good cpu for some user out there that doesn't need to run cad and doesn't have a lot of money to spend. -- .###. /#######\## -==============================================- ;##### ;# Mike's WindowMaker ;##### ;# <A HREF="http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org/windowmaker.html"><A HREF="http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org/windowmaker.html</A">http://tasteslikechicken.ml.org/windowmaker.html</A</A>> \# /## -==============================================- ###'---'#### - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
At 12:06 PM 8/30/98 -0500, you wrote:
Samartha wrote:
I personally would stay away from a system like that as well as other Intel marketing gimmicks like Celeron.
Celeron is not a marketing gimmick. It is a good cpu for someone who wants maximum gaming performance for minimum dollar.
Halleluya! ;-) In my opinion, the creation of the Celeron name, image and CPU is a stategic marketing move to cover a segment of the market which was left to competitiors like AMD, Cyrix and other's. see: <A HREF="http://www.pcworld.com/top400/article/0,1361,7887+4+0,00.html"><A HREF="http://www.pcworld.com/top400/article/0,1361,7887+4+0,00.html</A">http://www.pcworld.com/top400/article/0,1361,7887+4+0,00.html</A</A>> now you don't need to buy a socket 7 AMD or Cyrix to get a good price for performance, you can stay with Slot 1 and buy Celeron! I am pretty sure that the name Celeron is hyped by Intel's marketing muscle in many medias to flash the image of "Good performance, low price, Intel" in as many brains as possible to make as may bucks as possible so that the stock price and profit goes up and everyone get bonuses and nobody gets fired for happening otherwise ;-)
It's also a good cpu for overclocking. Just because you or I don't want a watered down intel doesn't mean that it isn't a good cpu for some user out there that doesn't need to run cad and doesn't have a lot of money to spend.
and with reason, so it seems..... really? I think the Celeron is a gimmick - reminds me of celery which should not be in my computer at all - actually, nobody should have celery in their computer because it would severely degrade performance. Better eat the celery and stay healthy! Samartha - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Samartha wrote:
I think the Celeron is a gimmick - reminds me of celery which should not be in my computer at all - actually, nobody should have celery in their computer because it would severely degrade performance.
The local dealers that care about what you buy (so you'll give good word-of-mouth advertising...) heartily recommend against the celeron as it costs the same as the PII by the time you add stuff (I don't remember the list of stuff). They will sell it if you insist. Don't get me wrong, they're not gung-ho Intel - they sell equipment to meet the customer's needs at a very good price (for Hawaii - probably normal prices for mainland USA).
Better eat the celery and stay healthy!
I agree. George - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Hello, I was reading your thread and would like to make a comment. The Celeron costs about $100US, which for what it does is very reasonable. I would like to know "what list of stuff" is need to make it work. For $200US you have a MB and a CPU that should do very well for Linux. My two cents, -ted George Toft wrote:
Samartha wrote:
I think the Celeron is a gimmick - reminds me of celery which should not be in my computer at all - actually, nobody should have celery in their computer because it would severely degrade performance.
The local dealers that care about what you buy (so you'll give good word-of-mouth advertising...) heartily recommend against the celeron as it costs the same as the PII by the time you add stuff (I don't remember the list of stuff). They will sell it if you insist.
Don't get me wrong, they're not gung-ho Intel - they sell equipment to meet the customer's needs at a very good price (for Hawaii - probably normal prices for mainland USA).
Better eat the celery and stay healthy!
I agree.
George
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Ted Maciag wrote:
Hello,
I was reading your thread and would like to make a comment. The Celeron costs about $100US, which for what it does is very reasonable. I would like to know "what list of stuff" is need to make it work. For $200US you have a MB and a CPU that should do very well for Linux.
My two cents,
-ted
I'll check on it today. In Hawaii, the Celeron is US$120 and the 100Mhz MB (w/ DIMM and AGP) is US$135. Speaking of AGP video, does anyone have such a beast working with SuSE? George - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
George Toft wrote:
Ted Maciag wrote:
Hello,
I was reading your thread and would like to make a comment. The Celeron costs about $100US, which for what it does is very reasonable. I would like to know "what list of stuff" is need to make it work. For $200US you have a MB and a CPU that should do very well for Linux.
My two cents,
-ted
I'll check on it today.
In Hawaii, the Celeron is US$120 and the 100Mhz MB (w/ DIMM and AGP) is US$135.
Speaking of AGP video, does anyone have such a beast working with SuSE?
Check the hardware list. <A HREF="http://www.suse.de/cdb/english/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.de/cdb/english/</A">http://www.suse.de/cdb/english/</A</A>>
George
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Dear Friend, I need fast respon about this. The US Dollar is weakening to my local currency it's time for me to buy computer perips which is 100 0nported :) Enough about this. I need your opinion on memory upgrade, I'm using : K6/200, Asus TX/PC97, 32 SDRAM Now I only have 1 DIMM slot left, should i upgrade 32 more megs to 64 or should i upgrade 64 megs to 96 megs ? I am aware of the performance hit because TX,VX chipsets doesn't really cache above 64 megs. I want to know how worse does it affect the overall performance ? I need the decision on aspect to Linux, FreeBSD and Windows OS. I use three of them, which is linux the primary OS, other for compatibility with my team works. Lastly, how to see if there is EEPROM on memory board or not. how well the absent of EEPROM affect the performance hit ? Thank you - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
At 09:19 AM 8/30/98 -0600, you wrote:
Where do you get this number ( < 5 %)?
I would think that to measure the performance of a computer having no cache above 64 M one would have to do really specific tests and the result would be very application dependent.
Your post makes it sound as if caching has not much effect at all.
I think that's giving the wrong picture.
You say, it "evens out..." - maybe under certain circumstances with heavy disk I/O and using DMA but on the other side, when you have a CPU-intensive application using more than 64 M or a multiuser system with more than one user you most certainly pay a penalty.
I personally would stay away from a system like that as well as other Intel marketing gimmicks like Celeron.
Samartha
PS.: On the Intel web site, there is a comparison of Celeron processor with the same speed, one with and one without cache. - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
Several people have made comparisons using >64MB memory and 64MB and less with the intel tx chip set. This has nothing to do with the celeron and whether a board/cpu has an l2 cache or not. Jerome K. - To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e
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