Roger, PLEASE! No replies to my mailbox. The list and the list alone is where these dialogs belong. On Wednesday 19 October 2005 00:19, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 23:05 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Hi,

There is an update available via YOU for those of us 10.0 users having the auto-mounting problems. It seems to correct the problems, at least for me.

So, automounting happens in HAL? That explains why an upgrade to 10.0 hung at that point in booting. It was trying to mount a VxWorks NFS share, which I later found needed special mount options. Oddly, even though the resource was mounted with bg,intr, it still hung. So, I went back to 9.3 and eventually sorted out the problem. I will have to check what all HAL is up to.

HAL plays a role in the auto-mounting process, but I don't pretend to understand it well. And I tend to doubt that NFS mounting is mediated by HAL. After all, it stands for Hardware Abstraction Layer. NFS mounts aren't hardware. But again, my relative unfamiliarity with these subsystems means I can't really say for sure. If you had a system for which "lshal" just gave an error diagnostic and for which the HAL daemon, "hald," would not successfully start up, this update fixes those problems. Lshal now reports 101 devices on my system! and the overall behavior of auto-mounting for things like CDs / DVDs and USB drives (whether they're actually disk drives or pseudo-drives such as USB memory sticks or media players, etc.) now work.

Roger

Randall Schulz

On Wed, 2005-10-19 at 09:45 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 23:34 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Roger,

PLEASE! No replies to my mailbox. The list and the list alone is where these dialogs belong.

Sorry. Technology is getting in the way...

In evolution, if I press 'Reply', I get only you. If I press Reply-All, I get To: you, with a CC: to the list. I know this comes up on many lists, but since the message came from the list, why isn't the list the place a reply goes to with an explicit Reply To: fild? The message does not contain a Reply-To field, so, like most mailers, a reply goes to the From: field, which is you. That would mean for each reply I must either do a reply and enter the list by hand, or do a reply-all and delet the To and copy the CC to the To. All in all, not using technology as best one could.

When you want to reply to go to the list use Ctrl-l (lower case L) while reading the message. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998

On Wed, 2005-10-19 at 15:50 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

On Wed, 2005-10-19 at 15:10, Ken Schneider wrote:

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On Wed, 2005-10-19 at 09:45 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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When you want to reply to go to the list use Ctrl-l (lower case L) while reading the message.

In evolution? Not in my version. It may be a bit old.

It gets more odd. When I pressed Reply for your message, I got the list in the To place, just as I would like it to be. When pressing Reply for other messages I have from this list, I do not get the same. Your message contains a Reply-To entry pointing to the list. Other messages do not. As an example, another message in this HAL thread from James Knott (asking which automount problem has been fixed) acts different and does not contain a Reply-To line. But your message did.

Do you put it there? If not, does the SUSE list program act inconsistent? I doubt that. Unless there was a change today.

I run the version that came with 9.3. I also have a ReplyTo: set as well. I used to be able to right in the message and access the reply to list there but someone removed it (WHY?). As always mention which version of SuSE you are using as well as which desktop. I run evolution in KDE. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998

On Wed, 2005-10-19 at 16:04, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Roger Oberholtzer [10-19-05 08:52]:

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It gets more odd. When I pressed Reply for your message, I got the list in the To place, just as I would like it to be. When pressing Reply for other messages I have from this list, I do not get the same. Your message contains a Reply-To entry pointing to the list. Other messages do not.

This has been beat to death on this list. It recurs three or four times a year.

The list does *not* add/append the 'Reply-To:' header. *Some* individuals add the 'Reply-To:' header themselves via their email client. Mutt has that ability. Since I am satisified with mutt, I do not recall specifically which others do, probably kmail will.

The 'Reply-To:' header is considered bad by some and good by others with many arguemnts both ways. *This* list does not support it. Some email clients provide a key-stroke "Reply to list" function. I know that kmail and mutt have this capability.

Ultimately your choice is to manually enter the correct addressing if you intend to continue to use your present email client, or you may change email clients to one with other capabilities.

I see that Evolution does have a "Reply To List" item in a menu. I will see about customizing this to make it more accessible. I guess mail lists are not mail client agnostic, like a good web site... +····························+·······························+ · Roger Oberholtzer · E-mail: roger@opq.se · · OPQ Systems AB · WWW: http://www.opq.se/ · · Kapellgränd 7 · · · P. O. Box 4205 · Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 · · 102 65 Stockholm · Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 · · Sweden · Fax: Int + 46 8 314223 · +····························+·······························+

On Wed, 2005-10-19 at 09:45 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 23:34 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Roger,

PLEASE! No replies to my mailbox. The list and the list alone is where these dialogs belong.

Sorry. Technology is getting in the way...

In evolution, if I press 'Reply', I get only you. If I press Reply-All, I get To: you, with a CC: to the list. I know this comes up on many lists, but since the message came from the list, why isn't the list the place a reply goes to with an explicit Reply To: fild? The message does not contain a Reply-To field, so, like most mailers, a reply goes to the From: field, which is you. That would mean for each reply I must either do a reply and enter the list by hand, or do a reply-all and delet the To and copy the CC to the To. All in all, not using technology as best one could.

When you want to reply to go to the list use Ctrl-l (lower case L) while reading the message. In Mozilla, Crtl-l is used to forward a message. However, I just noticed that Crtl-e replies to the list and also sets up a "Reply-To:" to the list. I'll have to see what happens with this one. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com

On Wed, 2005-10-19 at 16:40, James Knott wrote:

In Mozilla, Crtl-l is used to forward a message. However, I just noticed that Crtl-e replies to the list and also sets up a "Reply-To:" to the list. I'll have to see what happens with this one.

In evolution, ctrl-e expunges your deleted messages. So be careful with that one. In evolution no hot key is attached to this. It is in a menu. +····························+·······························+ · Roger Oberholtzer · E-mail: roger@opq.se · · OPQ Systems AB · WWW: http://www.opq.se/ · · Kapellgränd 7 · · · P. O. Box 4205 · Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 · · 102 65 Stockholm · Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 · · Sweden · Fax: Int + 46 8 314223 · +····························+·······························+

My problem with automount is not solved. I don't know why, but Suse 10.0 doesn automount my dvd's or cd's. If I go to Yast->Hardware->Cd-Rom units they are automounted and later it runs fine, but if I restart my computer the problem is still there. Does anyone have this problem with the latest updates of HAL? Cheers -- Raúl Moratalla http://raulmoratalla.blogspot.com Linux 2.6.11.4-21.9-default #1 Fri Aug 19 11:58:59 UTC 2005 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux

On Wed, 2005-10-19 at 09:45 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 23:34 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Roger,

PLEASE! No replies to my mailbox. The list and the list alone is where these dialogs belong.

Sorry. Technology is getting in the way...

In evolution, if I press 'Reply', I get only you. If I press Reply-All, I get To: you, with a CC: to the list. I know this comes up on many lists, but since the message came from the list, why isn't the list the place a reply goes to with an explicit Reply To: fild? The message does not contain a Reply-To field, so, like most mailers, a reply goes to the From: field, which is you. That would mean for each reply I must either do a reply and enter the list by hand, or do a reply-all and delet the To and copy the CC to the To. All in all, not using technology as best one could.

Use Ctrl-L for a reply to list in Evolution. Mike

Randall R Schulz wrote:

Sid,

On Wednesday 19 October 2005 03:45, Sid Boyce wrote:

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Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Hi,

There is an update available via YOU for those of us 10.0 users having the auto-mounting problems. It seems to correct the problems, at least for me.

Randall Schulz Installed yesterday, hal-0.5.4-6 is on the DVD and that's what is installed, YOU doesn't offer me any patch for HAL from installed and installable patches. What version is the latest?

Subsequent to last night's YOU run:

% rpm -q hal hal-0.5.4-6.2

Do you have the automount symptoms? Not everybody did, for some reason.

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Sid.

Randall Schulz

No problem here on x86_64, I just noticed that the 64-bit binary update is hal-32bit-0.5.4-6.2.x86_64.rpm, but that was not offered though hal-32bit-0.5.4-6.x86_64.rpm is installed. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks

James, On Wednesday 19 October 2005 06:13, James Knott wrote:

Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Hi,

There is an update available via YOU for those of us 10.0 users having the auto-mounting problems. It seems to correct the problems, at least for me.

Which auto=mount problem? There were a couple IIRC.

Yes. It fixed the one I had. RRS