[opensuse] ThinkPad X61 prof
Hi list, I'm about to purchase a (Lenovo) ThinkPad X61 prof laptop. With 2G RAM, 100Gbyte SCSI (!) 7200 rpm HD, ATI GL and so. - It's to run OpenSuse10.3. - Has anyone on this list got any knowledge that this laptop will not run/is a no go/don't do it/what are you thinking of.. - Or should I just go ahead. I need the wireless to work in the box. I don't care about bluetooth. - as always, thank you! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard Novell Certified Linux Professional 10035701 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Verner Kjærsgaard <vk@os-academy.dk> writes:
Hi list,
I'm about to purchase a (Lenovo) ThinkPad X61 prof laptop. With 2G RAM, 100Gbyte SCSI (!) 7200 rpm HD, ATI GL and so.
- It's to run OpenSuse10.3.
- Has anyone on this list got any knowledge that this laptop will not run/is a no go/don't do it/what are you thinking of..
- Or should I just go ahead. I need the wireless to work in the box. I don't care about bluetooth.
- as always, thank you!
I own an Thinkpad X61s with Intel Graficscard. The 3945 wireless works with latest 10.3 kernel update now ok. Suspend to RAM and Disk is not really reliable and I have not been able to get enough debugging information for a perfect bug report, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 12:03 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
I own an Thinkpad X61s with Intel Graficscard. The 3945 wireless works with latest 10.3 kernel update now ok.
Andreas, what module are you using now? -=terry=- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Teruel de Campo MD <chusty@attglobal.net> writes:
On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 12:03 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
I own an Thinkpad X61s with Intel Graficscard. The 3945 wireless works with latest 10.3 kernel update now ok.
Andreas, what module are you using now?
I'm running now the current STABLE kernel with the iwl3945 driver. The latest 10.3 kernel has an update to that driver with many bugfixes, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Teruel de Campo MD <chusty@attglobal.net> writes:
On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 12:03 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
I own an Thinkpad X61s with Intel Graficscard. The 3945 wireless works with latest 10.3 kernel update now ok. Andreas, what module are you using now?
I'm running now the current STABLE kernel with the iwl3945 driver. The latest 10.3 kernel has an update to that driver with many bugfixes,
Andreas
How do you get the iwl3945 driver? I have the vanilla 10.3 system with complete updates (according to opensuse-updater), and I have the ipw3945 driver. And last time I looked (a couple of weeks ago), Intel said the ipw3945 was the stable version, and iwlwifi (no iwl3945 mentioned) was not yet recommended. ...Well, I just looked at the Intel site again, and now they say iwlwifi 1.0.0 has been "production" since 8/13/2007. So why isn't it in suse now? Or doesn't "production" mean "stable"? John Perry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
"John E. Perry" <j.e.perry@cox.net> writes:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Teruel de Campo MD <chusty@attglobal.net> writes:
On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 12:03 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
I own an Thinkpad X61s with Intel Graficscard. The 3945 wireless works with latest 10.3 kernel update now ok. Andreas, what module are you using now?
I'm running now the current STABLE kernel with the iwl3945 driver. The latest 10.3 kernel has an update to that driver with many bugfixes,
Andreas
How do you get the iwl3945 driver? I have the vanilla 10.3 system with complete updates (according to opensuse-updater), and I have the ipw3945 driver.
And last time I looked (a couple of weeks ago), Intel said the ipw3945 was the stable version, and iwlwifi (no iwl3945 mentioned) was not yet recommended.
...Well, I just looked at the Intel site again, and now they say iwlwifi 1.0.0 has been "production" since 8/13/2007. So why isn't it in suse now? Or doesn't "production" mean "stable"?
I mean iwlwifi - and that's part of the default kernel. Please read the 10.3 Release Notes for details, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
"John E. Perry" <j.e.perry@cox.net> writes:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
... I'm running now the current STABLE kernel with the iwl3945 driver. The latest 10.3 kernel has an update to that driver with many bugfixes,
Andreas How do you get the iwl3945 driver? I have the vanilla 10.3 system with complete updates (according to opensuse-updater), and I have the ipw3945 driver. ... ...Well, I just looked at the Intel site again, and now they say iwlwifi 1.0.0 has been "production" since 8/13/2007. So why isn't it in suse now? Or doesn't "production" mean "stable"?
I mean iwlwifi - and that's part of the default kernel. Please read the 10.3 Release Notes for details,
Well, duh. Sure enough, there it was, with the admonition that ipw3945 doesn't survive hibernation (which certainly matches my experience), and iwlwifi doesn't handle hidden connections. I switched over to iwlwifi, and I've been through two hibernations without having to reconnect manually, much less restart the whole wifi driver chain, as I frequently did with ipw3945. Since all the access points I'm interested in are announced, it's a real benefit having switched to iwlwifi. Thanks, Andreas. I really have to get back into the habit of reading through the release notes. jp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Jan 29, 08 22:40:41 -0600, John E. Perry wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Teruel de Campo MD <chusty@attglobal.net> writes:
On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 12:03 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
I own an Thinkpad X61s with Intel Graficscard. The 3945 wireless works with latest 10.3 kernel update now ok. Andreas, what module are you using now?
I'm running now the current STABLE kernel with the iwl3945 driver. The latest 10.3 kernel has an update to that driver with many bugfixes,
Andreas
How do you get the iwl3945 driver? I have the vanilla 10.3 system with complete updates (according to opensuse-updater), and I have the ipw3945 driver.
And last time I looked (a couple of weeks ago), Intel said the ipw3945 was the stable version, and iwlwifi (no iwl3945 mentioned) was not yet recommended.
...Well, I just looked at the Intel site again, and now they say iwlwifi 1.0.0 has been "production" since 8/13/2007. So why isn't it in suse now? Or doesn't "production" mean "stable"?
Let me just say that Intel regards .0 releases as supported and for production use, and even if you have a critical bug fix it would take a real serious situation (from Intels point of view) to bring out a new .0 version. SUSE is actively working together with Intel to find problems, determine if it's in the driver or the stack, and to fix them. You can get the driver from the build service never-the-less. Stefan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Stefan Behlert wrote:
...Well, I just looked at the Intel site again, and now they say iwlwifi 1.0.0 has been "production" since 8/13/2007. So why isn't it in suse now? Or doesn't "production" mean "stable"?
Let me just say that Intel regards .0 releases as supported and for production use, and even if you have a critical bug fix it would take a real serious situation (from Intels point of view) to bring out a new .0 version. SUSE is actively working together with Intel to find problems, determine if it's in the driver or the stack, and to fix them. You can get the driver from the build service never-the-less.
Is this a general comment, Stefan, or is there some specific problem hidden within iwlwifi? I've seen no hint of trouble since I deleted ipw3945, but I certainly don't want to go on a trip if there's a possibility of finding myself without a connection! John Perry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Jan 31, 08 21:54:04 -0600, John E. Perry wrote:
Stefan Behlert wrote:
...Well, I just looked at the Intel site again, and now they say iwlwifi 1.0.0 has been "production" since 8/13/2007. So why isn't it in suse now? Or doesn't "production" mean "stable"?
Let me just say that Intel regards .0 releases as supported and for production use, and even if you have a critical bug fix it would take a real serious situation (from Intels point of view) to bring out a new .0 version. SUSE is actively working together with Intel to find problems, determine if it's in the driver or the stack, and to fix them. You can get the driver from the build service never-the-less.
Is this a general comment, Stefan, or is there some specific problem hidden within iwlwifi? I've seen no hint of trouble since I deleted ipw3945, but I certainly don't want to go on a trip if there's a possibility of finding myself without a connection!
If you have not seen any troubles, continue to use it. I remmeber that iwlwifi caused problems for some users while others had no problem. The latest patches helped a lot :) Stefan
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On Tue January 29 2008 04:03, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
I own an Thinkpad X61s with Intel Graficscard. The 3945 wireless works with latest 10.3 kernel update now ok. Suspend to RAM and Disk is not really reliable and I have not been able to get enough debugging information for a perfect bug report,
Andreas, I have an X60 and it used to suspend to disk reasonably reliably, but now I noticed that the option is not offered anymore. Was this hardware (possibly along with X61) blacklisted recently? Carlos FL -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos F Lange <carlos.lange@ualberta.ca> writes:
On Tue January 29 2008 04:03, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
I own an Thinkpad X61s with Intel Graficscard. The 3945 wireless works with latest 10.3 kernel update now ok. Suspend to RAM and Disk is not really reliable and I have not been able to get enough debugging information for a perfect bug report,
Andreas,
I have an X60 and it used to suspend to disk reasonably reliably, but now I noticed that the option is not offered anymore. Was this hardware (possibly along with X61) blacklisted recently?
Not that I'm aware off :-( Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Carlos F Lange <carlos.lange@ualberta.ca> writes:
On Tue January 29 2008 04:03, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
I own an Thinkpad X61s with Intel Graficscard. The 3945 wireless works with latest 10.3 kernel update now ok. Suspend to RAM and Disk is not really reliable and I have not been able to get enough debugging information for a perfect bug report,
Andreas,
I have an X60 and it used to suspend to disk reasonably reliably, but now I noticed that the option is not offered anymore. Was this hardware (possibly along with X61) blacklisted recently?
I forgot to add: It looks more to be a bug somewhere in the powermanagement system, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Wednesday 30 January 2008, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Carlos F Lange <carlos.lange@ualberta.ca> writes:
On Tue January 29 2008 04:03, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
I own an Thinkpad X61s with Intel Graficscard. The 3945 wireless works with latest 10.3 kernel update now ok. Suspend to RAM and Disk is not really reliable and I have not been able to get enough debugging information for a perfect bug report,
Andreas,
I have an X60 and it used to suspend to disk reasonably reliably, but now I noticed that the option is not offered anymore. Was this hardware (possibly along with X61) blacklisted recently?
I forgot to add: It looks more to be a bug somewhere in the powermanagement system,
Andreas
I have an X60 (however I replaced the 3945 with an atheros for compatibility with... Mac OS X) and I've never had a more reliable suspend, be it to RAM or disk Thierry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:
I'm about to purchase a (Lenovo) ThinkPad X61 prof laptop. With 2G RAM, 100Gbyte SCSI (!) 7200 rpm HD, ATI GL and so.
- It's to run OpenSuse10.3.
- Has anyone on this list got any knowledge that this laptop will not run/is a no go/don't do it/what are you thinking of..
- Or should I just go ahead. I need the wireless to work in the box. I don't care about bluetooth.
That sounds like the Lenovo I bought for motorbike road trips, only I don't remember the SCSI part, so mine might have been a little different model. When I was first experimenting with SuSE linux, I installed it on that laptop as a dual-boot system, and as I recall, everything pretty much worked right out of the box. I had wireless issues with my Toshiba laptop, which I resolved by adding a PCMCIA wireless card, but I'm almost certain the Lenovo had no such problems. (I can't verify that now, because it's currently an XP-Pro machine only.) Best of luck with it. If your eyes can deal with a screen that small, it's indeed a great little computer. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 11:49 +0100, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:
Hi list,
I'm about to purchase a (Lenovo) ThinkPad X61 prof laptop. With 2G RAM, 100Gbyte SCSI (!) 7200 rpm HD, ATI GL and so.
- It's to run OpenSuse10.3.
- Has anyone on this list got any knowledge that this laptop will not run/is a no go/don't do it/what are you thinking of..
- Or should I just go ahead. I need the wireless to work in the box. I don't care about bluetooth.
- as always, thank you!
Yes it runs. My daugther got one and she runs opensuse 10.3 1. installs without problems 2. Bluetooth works 3. Wireless works. She ordered the Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG because of linux compatibility. It did not connect with the default module but it connect with the new one. (follow the instructions from the opensuse 10.3 release notes). I believe this is key. They offer other wireless chips but all the info we got November-December 2007 was to choose this one. 4. The brightness bottom does not work and so far she has not found a way to enable it so when is plugin is very bright, when is running from battery is medium. (Of course you can change it at the BIOS) 5. you can run tpb and you have the graphic representation of the button. 6. sounds work and she runs the ipod/amarok better than in windows. 7. She uses /kde/compiz-fusion as default window manager. It works great. 8. The docking station works very well and she can dock and undock OK. 9. usb works well as the SD slot. 10. She has not done presentation (projector) or use firewire. I do have an X-40 and I use for presentation all the time. They are very similar but not the same. 10. She got the same HD as you, 4Gb and also the turbo memory. The turbo memory was an error because it does not work under linux. 11. She did not get the wi-fi neither the finger id. I heard both work ok. If you have any questions just post it. -=terry(Denver)=- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Tirsdag 29 januar 2008 13:55 skrev Teruel de Campo MD:
On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 11:49 +0100, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:
Hi list,
I'm about to purchase a (Lenovo) ThinkPad X61 prof laptop. With 2G RAM, 100Gbyte SCSI (!) 7200 rpm HD, ATI GL and so.
- It's to run OpenSuse10.3.
- Has anyone on this list got any knowledge that this laptop will not run/is a no go/don't do it/what are you thinking of..
- Or should I just go ahead. I need the wireless to work in the box. I don't care about bluetooth.
- as always, thank you!
Yes it runs. My daugther got one and she runs opensuse 10.3 1. installs without problems 2. Bluetooth works 3. Wireless works. She ordered the Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG because of linux compatibility. It did not connect with the default module but it connect with the new one. (follow the instructions from the opensuse 10.3 release notes). I believe this is key. They offer other wireless chips but all the info we got November-December 2007 was to choose this one. 4. The brightness bottom does not work and so far she has not found a way to enable it so when is plugin is very bright, when is running from battery is medium. (Of course you can change it at the BIOS) 5. you can run tpb and you have the graphic representation of the button. 6. sounds work and she runs the ipod/amarok better than in windows. 7. She uses /kde/compiz-fusion as default window manager. It works great. 8. The docking station works very well and she can dock and undock OK. 9. usb works well as the SD slot. 10. She has not done presentation (projector) or use firewire. I do have an X-40 and I use for presentation all the time. They are very similar but not the same. 10. She got the same HD as you, 4Gb and also the turbo memory. The turbo memory was an error because it does not work under linux. 11. She did not get the wi-fi neither the finger id. I heard both work ok.
If you have any questions just post it.
-=terry(Denver)=-
A great THANK YOU to all to gave their voice. - I'll go and get it NOW. And let you know if I stumble onto/into something. Thanks again! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard Novell Certified Linux Professional 10035701 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 05:55:47AM -0700, Teruel de Campo MD wrote:
4. The brightness bottom does not work and so far she has not found a way to enable it so when is plugin is very bright, when is running from battery is medium. (Of course you can change it at the BIOS)
In KDE, you can hover the mouse pointer over the kpowersave icon in the systray (the small battery/plug icon) and change the brightness by using the scroll wheel. If you have a scroll wheel, that is, but maybe it helps anyway ;-) -- Sonja Krause-Harder (skh@suse.de) SUSE Research & Development ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE Linux Products GmbH GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 29 January 2008 09:09:38 am Sonja Krause-Harder wrote:
In KDE, you can hover the mouse pointer over the kpowersave icon in the systray (the small battery/plug icon) and change the brightness by using the scroll wheel. If you have a scroll wheel, that is, but maybe it helps anyway ;-)
-- Sonja Krause-Harder (skh@suse.de) SUSE Research & Development ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE Linux Products GmbH GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg)
Thanks! I just tried this with my X61, I always learn something on this list. -- -Chris Innis SuSE User chris_innis@hughes.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Jan 29, 08 15:09:38 +0100, Sonja Krause-Harder wrote:
On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 05:55:47AM -0700, Teruel de Campo MD wrote:
4. The brightness bottom does not work and so far she has not found a way to enable it so when is plugin is very bright, when is running from battery is medium. (Of course you can change it at the BIOS)
In KDE, you can hover the mouse pointer over the kpowersave icon in the systray (the small battery/plug icon) and change the brightness by using the scroll wheel. If you have a scroll wheel, that is, but maybe it helps anyway ;-)
But the buttons should work, too. Could you open a bug? Stefan -- Stefan Behlert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 29 January 2008 17:52, Stefan Behlert wrote:
On Jan 29, 08 15:09:38 +0100, Sonja Krause-Harder wrote:
On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 05:55:47AM -0700, Teruel de Campo MD wrote:
4. The brightness bottom does not work and so far she has not found a way to enable it so when is plugin is very bright, when is running from battery is medium. (Of course you can change it at the BIOS)
In KDE, you can hover the mouse pointer over the kpowersave icon in the systray (the small battery/plug icon) and change the brightness by using the scroll wheel. If you have a scroll wheel, that is, but maybe it helps anyway ;-)
But the buttons should work, too. Could you open a bug?
This bug is well known :( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=308264 Best regards Christopher -- Christopher Stender, R&D Team Mobile Devices SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 29 January 2008 11:49:19 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:
Hi list,
I'm about to purchase a (Lenovo) ThinkPad X61 prof laptop. With 2G RAM, 100Gbyte SCSI (!) 7200 rpm HD, ATI GL and so.
One problem with Lenovo thinkpads (and, I guess, other vendors as well) is that it's not enough to just say "X61". They change their hardware without changing the model name/number. So the only way anyone is going to give you an answer that will apply to the exact model you're looking at, is if you give the exact hardware in it Anders -- Madness takes its toll -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Jan 29, 08 20:14:17 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Tuesday 29 January 2008 11:49:19 Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:
Hi list,
I'm about to purchase a (Lenovo) ThinkPad X61 prof laptop. With 2G RAM, 100Gbyte SCSI (!) 7200 rpm HD, ATI GL and so.
One problem with Lenovo thinkpads (and, I guess, other vendors as well) is that it's not enough to just say "X61". They change their hardware without changing the model name/number.
So the only way anyone is going to give you an answer that will apply to the exact model you're looking at, is if you give the exact hardware in it
Not quite. The TYPE mentioned on the label at the bottom is unique for the hardware. The model name itself (like X61, T60, T61p) is a collection for several types. The TYPE consists of an identifier for the hardware, and one for localization parts (like e.g. different keyboard layout). So with bug reports it's good to mention the model name (for easier identifying possible problems), and the concrete type (for identifying the hardware). Other vendors have similiar systems, but I always liked the Thinkpad ones best. Stefan -- Stefan Behlert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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