[opensuse] AutoCAD and Linux?
I know this is an oft asked question, but... well, I'm going to ask it again to see if anyone here has recently been playing with getting AutoCAD working in Wine etc. A friend of mine is asking me if he can use AutoCAD with Linux (wants to move to Linux at some point, and this is the last blocker). I've done some digging and AutoCAD 2002 seems to be working reasonably well in Wine (or Crossover). Beyond that version though, there is a noticeable lack of information. Has anyone here had any success with newer versions of AutoCAD in Linux? We toyed with the idea of running a VMware instance, but that was discarded as overkill since the end user would simply be running Linux to run VMWare to run AutoCAD. Not much point there. AutoCAD is a fixed requirement in this situation, and native Linux alternatives cannot be used. Long story that is not worth repeating here... suffice to say, AutoCAD is a must. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Torsdag 19 april 2007 10:11 skrev Clayton:
I know this is an oft asked question, but... well, I'm going to ask it again to see if anyone here has recently been playing with getting AutoCAD working in Wine etc.
A friend of mine is asking me if he can use AutoCAD with Linux (wants to move to Linux at some point, and this is the last blocker). I've done some digging and AutoCAD 2002 seems to be working reasonably well in Wine (or Crossover). Beyond that version though, there is a noticeable lack of information. Has anyone here had any success with newer versions of AutoCAD in Linux?
We toyed with the idea of running a VMware instance, but that was discarded as overkill since the end user would simply be running Linux to run VMWare to run AutoCAD. Not much point there.
AutoCAD is a fixed requirement in this situation, and native Linux alternatives cannot be used. Long story that is not worth repeating here... suffice to say, AutoCAD is a must.
C.
Would this work for you? - put AutoCAD onto a Win2003 terminal server. - make a Linux desktop icon with "rdesktop -some-parameters... -s "C:\Program Files bla. bla.autocad.exe" IP-of-w2003-server" That would give the user a perfect fine SuSE/Linux desktop with an AC icon. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Verner Kjærsgaard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 19 April 2007, Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:
- put AutoCAD onto a Win2003 terminal server. - make a Linux desktop icon with "rdesktop -some-parameters... -s "C:\Program Files bla. bla.autocad.exe" IP-of-w2003-server"
That would give the user a perfect fine SuSE/Linux desktop with an AC icon.
I think that is even more resource intensive (and bandwidth intensive) than Vmware. AutoCad is finicky stuff. I know for certain it works flawlessly in Vmware. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Verner Kjærsgaard wrote:
Would this work for you?
- put AutoCAD onto a Win2003 terminal server. - make a Linux desktop icon with "rdesktop -some-parameters... -s "C:\Program Files bla. bla.autocad.exe" IP-of-w2003-server"
That would give the user a perfect fine SuSE/Linux desktop with an AC icon.
Might work if he's doing 2D work. I suspect 3D would be slow over an rdesktop connection. I could be wrong, though; RDP surprises me sometimes with its responsiveness. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 19 April 2007, Clayton wrote:
A friend of mine is asking me if he can use AutoCAD with Linux (wants to move to Linux at some point, and this is the last blocker). I've done some digging and AutoCAD 2002 seems to be working reasonably well in Wine (or Crossover). Beyond that version though, there is a noticeable lack of information. Has anyone here had any success with newer versions of AutoCAD in Linux?
We toyed with the idea of running a VMware instance, but that was discarded as overkill since the end user would simply be running Linux to run VMWare to run AutoCAD. Not much point there.
I manage a network for a bunch of engineers, and some of them DO run Vmware just to run AutoCad on their linux machines. Every alternative was found to be unsatisfactory. AutoCad was one of the most desired programs for support under Crossover, but I don't know if its there yet, it wasn't at the time this was set up. As for "Not much point there" I disagree. The "point" is to get his work done. Having windows sequestered inside a Vmware instance in a Linux machine and dedicated to a single application seems to be the best way to run Windows. All the spam and regular word processing tasks are handled by linux. It works very well, and with something like a Core 2 Duo its more than fast enough, not a resource hog, and stable as a rock. Vmware is awesome for this. In fact Vmware-Player would be better because its lighter weight, and you don't have to violate the VMware Workstation license by using it in "production". -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
As for "Not much point there" I disagree. The "point" is to get his work done.
We didn't see the point in running a Linux host with a VMWare client only to run Windows pretty much 100% of the time on top of all that. The end user would be right where they started, running Windows full screen, and doing all their work and play in windows (play being non-work/university related websurfing, emailing, IM chatting etc.). They would have no compelling reason to use any software on the Linux host. OpenOffice is already installed on the existing Windows install.... same with Firefox etc. We simply didn't see the gain, and only saw an additional layer of complexity to this computer. Worth noting, this isn't a big business case... it is a small private computer network (4 to 5 machines) The reason for wanting to go Linux is basically to save the end user from himself. :-) He's not exactly a person who practices safe computing. The machine he's using is constantly needing to be rebuilt. The current solution is a snapshot of the current install that is restored as needed - really no different than doing a VMWare snapshot. It is interesting to hear your experience and conclusions on this though. I also liked Verner's suggestion of the rdesktop thing. There is a dual Xenon computer that could be used as a Win2003 server, and then AutoCAD could be served up in an rdesktop... that way the end user would be in Linux all the time, and only rlogged to the Windows machine to run the one application. C -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Clayton wrote:
The reason for wanting to go Linux is basically to save the end user from himself. :-)
vmware (or virtualbox) is very god for this, you can mamage what can be saved and what can't, you can save and restore a virtual machine at once... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Clayton wrote:
Worth noting, this isn't a big business case... it is a small private computer network (4 to 5 machines)
It is interesting to hear your experience and conclusions on this though. I also liked Verner's suggestion of the rdesktop thing. There is a dual Xenon computer that could be used as a Win2003 server, and then AutoCAD could be served up in an rdesktop... that way the end user would be in Linux all the time, and only rlogged to the Windows machine to run the one application.
The 2X Application Server used in conjunction with VMware Server may be a better solution. I have yet to test this combination. http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/general/0,295582,sid39_gci125102... http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid39_gci1238129,00... -- Regards, Graham Smith -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 19 April 2007, Clayton wrote:
We didn't see the point in running a Linux host with a VMWare client only to run Windows pretty much 100% of the time on top of all that. The end user would be right where they started, running Windows full screen,
Well if that's all he does, then yes, why bother with Linux? The engineer types I deal with all run Dual Screens, (usually dual 20 inch flat panels), with an autocad session running full screen on on, and email, calculators, OOO, etc on the other flat panel. They are also watching streaming data from various remote instruments and stuff on the second screen. However, they can expand that Vmware window (running autocad) to span both monitors if they need/want to show off. And their vmware sessions are all snap-shotted so that they can roll back if something goes wrong. On an a recent hardware upgrade, only the Linux user was up and running instantly. The others all had to re-install Autocad, re-configure, fiddle, and try to remember settings. The linux user simply copied his vmware directory from his old machine and was up and running instantly. KDE has some very good dual-screen support, (better than windows in many respects) especially regards driving both the monitors at full resolution. XP would not do that, it choked if there were two different size displays and the larger display was number 2 for some reason. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
Well if that's all he does, then yes, why bother with Linux?
Mainly because he's a danger to himself :-) This isn't a controlled corporate IT environment... it's a private computer. It lasts a couple months max and has to be restored because he's been playing... Linux was looked at as a nice solution for stopping the whole "I just opened an email and poof, my computer went crazy" scenario. Yes I know, antivirus, anti malware, anti spyware etc etc. Linux is my preferred antivirus software :-) C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 20 April 2007 00:18, Clayton wrote:
Linux is my preferred antivirus software :-) Preach it, bubba!
I got a letter (as always) from earthlink asking once again if I'd be interested in their suite of anti-virus, anti-spyware, anti-wormware... and all for the low low price of... (oh never mind)... and I told them once again that those issues have been taken care of with Linux... to which they respond... "we don't support that".... to which I respond..."you don't have to"... :-))))) -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Clayton wrote:
Well if that's all he does, then yes, why bother with Linux?
Mainly because he's a danger to himself :-) This isn't a controlled corporate IT environment... it's a private computer. It lasts a couple months max and has to be restored because he's been playing...
Then what you need to do is change your computing POLICY. This isn't a technical issue, it's an employee misbehavior issue. s When an admin tries to solve management shortcomings (failure to implement and enforce IT policy) by coming up with "safeguards" all he's doing is digging a punji-stake pit trap which can only catch one person... HIMSELF.
Linux was looked at as a nice solution for stopping the whole "I just opened an email and poof, my computer went crazy" scenario.
Management needs to grow a spine, and then tell him to either smarten up, or he will be replaced with someone who IS smart enough to not sabotage his own equipment every few months. I wouldn't be surprised if he does this purposely just so he can get paid for a couple days while sitting around doing nothing "because my computer got hosed" Alternatively, you can give the other ultimatum -- since you're too stupid to run Windows in a safe manner, we are switching you to a Linux platform, and you WILL learn to use the new CAD software (there is a WIDE variety of commercial CAD software originally written for Unix workstations which has been ported to Linux. I know -- I used to work at the General Motors tech center, and was responsible for doing research into the subject to provide a counter-argument to the "we have to move everyone onto Windows" crowd. While I could understand the movement away from expensive proprietary workstations to "white box" hardware, going from the solid Unix admin & security model to the Windows security model seemed positively idiotic (10x or more admins needed for the same number of machines, minimal remote admin abilities, malware, etc.)
Yes I know, antivirus, anti malware, anti spyware etc etc. Linux is my preferred antivirus software :-)
C.
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On Thursday 19 April 2007, Clayton wrote:
Well if that's all he does, then yes, why bother with Linux?
Mainly because he's a danger to himself :-) This isn't a controlled corporate IT environment... it's a private computer. It lasts a couple months max and has to be restored because he's been playing... Linux was looked at as a nice solution for stopping the whole "I just opened an email and poof, my computer went crazy" scenario. Yes I know, antivirus, anti malware, anti spyware etc etc. Linux is my preferred antivirus software :-)
C.
Well then we are back full circle to Vmware, where you can take a snap shot and revert to it at will. Just leave that VM up maximized on one of the desktops and Bob's your Uncle. It really is the best solution. You can do this for free if you know someone who has VmWare Workstation. Just have them build a Virtual machine, empty, with nothing installed in it. Then install Vmware Player, (free), boot up the Virtual machine with the windows CD in the drive and install your user's copy of Windows in the VM. Only tricky bit is to and install Vmware tools from the extracted the ISO (details on request). Finally install Autocad. It really is a sweet solution. I just did this for a friend running Kubuntu who needed his windows available for his get rich quick schemes. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Well, you can try VirtualBox Virtualization in Normal Mode or Seamless Mode: http://forgeftp.novell.com/lfl/.html/virtualbox.html This will make AutoCAD enjoyable experience under Linux. -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Well, you can try VirtualBox Virtualization in Normal Mode or Seamless Mode:
http://forgeftp.novell.com/lfl/.html/virtualbox.html
This will make AutoCAD enjoyable experience under Linux.
Wow... that's the first I've heard of VirtualBox. Dang, there goes my weekend :-) I've got some new software to play with! C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 20 April 2007 21:26, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
Well, you can try VirtualBox Virtualization in Normal Mode or Seamless Mode:
http://forgeftp.novell.com/lfl/.html/virtualbox.html
This will make AutoCAD enjoyable experience under Linux.
Does anybody know where the required libraries for this (libxalan-c.so.110 and libxerces-c.so.27) are to be found? -- JAY VOLLMER JVOLLMER@VISI.COM TEXT REFS DOUBLEPLUSUNGOOD SELFTHINK VERGING CRIMETHINK - IGNORE FULLWISE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On your openSUSE DVD of course :) -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John Andersen wrote:
On Thursday 19 April 2007, Clayton wrote:
Well if that's all he does, then yes, why bother with Linux? Mainly because he's a danger to himself :-) This isn't a controlled corporate IT environment... it's a private computer. It lasts a couple months max and has to be restored because he's been playing... Linux was looked at as a nice solution for stopping the whole "I just opened an email and poof, my computer went crazy" scenario. Yes I know, antivirus, anti malware, anti spyware etc etc. Linux is my preferred antivirus software :-)
C.
Well then we are back full circle to Vmware, where you can take a snap shot and revert to it at will. Just leave that VM up maximized on one of the desktops and Bob's your Uncle.
It really is the best solution.
You can do this for free if you know someone who has VmWare Workstation.
Just have them build a Virtual machine, empty, with nothing installed in it.
You also can do this for free if you do not know someone with VMware workstation. Instead you or someone else will download the free (as in beer) vmware server. The image created with this one should do with vmware player, just as well.
Then install Vmware Player, (free), boot up the Virtual machine with the windows CD in the drive and install your user's copy of Windows in the VM.
Only tricky bit is to and install Vmware tools from the extracted the ISO (details on request). Finally install Autocad. It really is a sweet solution.
I just did this for a friend running Kubuntu who needed his windows available for his get rich quick schemes.
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I looked this up out of curiosity, but it sounds like it can never work under wine (unless Autodesk change their policy) http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=5351 "by Jakob Steidl on Friday December 1st 2006, 5:27 Hi there! Since Autodesk uses some license manager/protection (by Macrovision), I think it'll be pretty hard, if not impossible, to get newer releases of AutoCAD or any other Autodesk application running, since their license manager will terminate the application if it finds out, that it runs in a kinda not-100%-windows environment. (see testing results for 3ds max 7). " ... "-- Jack" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I looked this up out of curiosity, but it sounds like it can never work under wine (unless Autodesk change their policy) http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=5351
Which probably explains why AutoCAD 2000 is the last version of ACAD that works reasonably well in Wine. There are also issues with its dependence on .NET. I wonder if the Macrovision copy protection could be dealt with by Cedega? From what i remember, there is some kind of provision to handle Macrovision copy protection built into Cedega. Maybe another slow Sunday project :-) C -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 19 April 2007 03:11, Clayton wrote:
I know this is an oft asked question, but... well, I'm going to ask it again to see if anyone here has recently been playing with getting AutoCAD working in Wine Some guy did a few years did in South Africa.
A friend of mine is asking me if he can use AutoCAD with Linux (wants to move to Linux at some point, and this is the last blocker). I've done some digging and AutoCAD 2002 seems to be working reasonably well in Wine (or Crossover). Beyond that version though, there is a noticeable lack of information. Has anyone here had any success with newer versions of AutoCAD in Linux?
Safe to assume that the latest versions not play nice.
We toyed with the idea of running a VMware instance, but that was discarded as overkill since the end user would simply be running Linux to run VMWare to run AutoCAD. Not much point there.
AutoCAD is a fixed requirement in this situation, and native Linux alternatives cannot be used. Long story that is not worth repeating here... suffice to say, AutoCAD is a must.
Not much in CAD but you may want to take a look at http://www.brlcad.org/
C.
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On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 18:29 -0500, SOTL wrote:
On Thursday 19 April 2007 03:11, Clayton wrote:
I know this is an oft asked question, but... well, I'm going to ask it again to see if anyone here has recently been playing with getting AutoCAD working in Wine Some guy did a few years did in South Africa.
http://architectafrica.com/bin0/news200411111_wine.html E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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