After doing a new install of 15.2, I realized I was never prompted for a root password. Now I can't access most things to configure the system. How do I set a root password on this system?
On 01/03/2021 14.05, ken wrote:
After doing a new install of 15.2, I realized I was never prompted for a root password. Now I can't access most things to configure the system. How do I set a root password on this system?
It is the same password as your user. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On March 1, 2021 1:09:25 PM UTC, "Carlos E.R." <robin.listas@gmx.es> wrote:
On 01/03/2021 14.05, ken wrote:
After doing a new install of 15.2, I realized I was never prompted for a root password. Now I can't access most things to configure the system. How do I set a root password on this system?
It is the same password as your user.
You're golden.
On 01/03/2021 15.30, ken wrote:
On March 1, 2021 1:09:25 PM UTC, "Carlos E.R." <robin.listas@gmx.es> wrote:
On 01/03/2021 14.05, ken wrote:
After doing a new install of 15.2, I realized I was never prompted for a root password. Now I can't access most things to configure the system. How do I set a root password on this system?
It is the same password as your user.
You're golden.
Appreciated, but no :-D You missed in the screen that asks for the user name and password a tick that says something like "use this same password for root". If you untick that, then you get aske for root's password. There are several things like that in the installation. Defaults that we know are there, we are used to them, with little seen options to change them. We know where they are, but if you are not familiar with the system, you may miss them :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On March 1, 2021 2:54:08 PM UTC, "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 01/03/2021 15.30, ken wrote:
On March 1, 2021 1:09:25 PM UTC, "Carlos E.R." <robin.listas@gmx.es> wrote:
On 01/03/2021 14.05, ken wrote:
After doing a new install of 15.2, I realized I was never prompted for a root password. Now I can't access most things to configure the system. How do I set a root password on this system?
It is the same password as your user.
You're golden.
Appreciated, but no :-D
You missed in the screen that asks for the user name and password a tick that says something like "use this same password for root". If you untick that, then you get aske for root's password.
There are several things like that in the installation. Defaults that we know are there, we are used to them, with little seen options to change them. We know where they are, but if you are not familiar with the system, you may miss them :-)
IMO the default should be to enter a root password. It wasn't. The way that checkbox was worded, I did not understand what it was talking about. All in all, this was a very trying and frustrating and exhausting install.
ken wrote:
On March 1, 2021 2:54:08 PM UTC, "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 01/03/2021 15.30, ken wrote:
On March 1, 2021 1:09:25 PM UTC, "Carlos E.R." <robin.listas@gmx.es> wrote:
After doing a new install of 15.2, I realized I was never prompted for a root password. Now I can't access most things to configure
On 01/03/2021 14.05, ken wrote: the system. How do I set a root password on this system?
It is the same password as your user.
You're golden.
Appreciated, but no :-D
I too was amazed you knew right away what the problem was. I had long forgotten about that option.
IMO the default should be to enter a root password. It wasn't. The way that checkbox was worded, I did not understand what it was talking about.
FWIW, I think YaST has had that setup for quite a few releases, with only minor changes. ISTR the keyboard shortcuts changing at some point, which annoyed me coz' it ruined my routine. I agree the root password should always be set up separately, but I wonder if we (at the time) were more concerned with being friendlier towards new users migrating from Windows.
All in all, this was a very trying and frustrating and exhausting install.
That's a shame, it really should not have been. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (6.5°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland.
On 01/03/2021 18.20, Per Jessen wrote:
ken wrote:
On March 1, 2021 2:54:08 PM UTC, "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:
On 01/03/2021 15.30, ken wrote:
On March 1, 2021 1:09:25 PM UTC, "Carlos E.R." <> wrote:
After doing a new install of 15.2, I realized I was never prompted for a root password. Now I can't access most things to configure
On 01/03/2021 14.05, ken wrote: the system. How do I set a root password on this system?
It is the same password as your user.
You're golden.
Appreciated, but no :-D
I too was amazed you knew right away what the problem was. I had long forgotten about that option.
LOL. Wow. I'm amazed, I thought it was just some trivial knowledge :-)
IMO the default should be to enter a root password. It wasn't. The way that checkbox was worded, I did not understand what it was talking about.
FWIW, I think YaST has had that setup for quite a few releases, with only minor changes. ISTR the keyboard shortcuts changing at some point, which annoyed me coz' it ruined my routine.
Reminds me. There was a shortcut to open an xterm during the GUI install, but lately I could not make it pop up. Do you know about it?
I agree the root password should always be set up separately, but I wonder if we (at the time) were more concerned with being friendlier towards new users migrating from Windows.
I distinctly remember there was a big discussion in the list and probably elsewhere about changing the default to be "same password for first user and root", as being easier for new users. And yes, I know people that are not aware that there is a password for root. In the end, "both the same password" won, with an easy to see change to different password. As I'm convinced the passwords should be different, I have this in mind on every install to change the root's password and I seek for the spot if I forget (at the summary screen I know that I have to go back). So yes, with the first post I instantly knew what had happened :-)
All in all, this was a very trying and frustrating and exhausting install.
That's a shame, it really should not have been.
-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On Mon, 2021-03-01 at 18:20 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
FWIW, I think YaST has had that setup for quite a few releases, with only minor changes. ISTR the keyboard shortcuts changing at some point, which annoyed me coz' it ruined my routine.
I agree the root password should always be set up separately, but I wonder if we (at the time) were more concerned with being friendlier towards new users migrating from Windows.
Perhaps a guided install with longer pauses waiting for user customization or a delayed setting of custom settings until the end.. Then if you miss a simple yast subcommand to set all these particulars. In the old days if you do as I did having only one DVDRW I did installs on that machine then moved the drive back to the other. Then logging into root it would automatically detect different sound, graphics and network and prompt you for set up. Made it rather easy also the older /dev/hda## system of identifying partitions etc was easier to understand than this uuid stuff. -- Carl Spitzer {L Juno} <lynux@juno.com> www.OCLUG.org Laptop ____________________________________________________________ Sponsored by https://www.newser.com/?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_taglines_more Top Utility Regulator in Texas Quits With 'Indignant' Letter http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/603da8df2b34128de1e17st02vuc1 For First Time in Weeks, Most States See Increase in Cases http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/603da8df4a50d28de1e17st02vuc2 Democrats Unveil 'Ultra-Millionaire Tax Act' http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/603da8df6924528de1e17st02vuc3
Carl Spitzer {L Juno} composed on 2021-03-01 18:53 (UTC-0800):
In the old days if you do as I did having only one DVDRW I did installs on that machine then moved the drive back to the other. Then logging into root it would automatically detect different sound, graphics and network and prompt you for set up. Made it rather easy also the older /dev/hda## system of identifying partitions etc was easier to understand than this uuid stuff.
UUID usage is not entirely mandatory. During installation's partitioning step you may specify default mounting option by LABEL. Then you get to choose labels that play nicely with your brain. They will be used in fstab, and you can make a custom.cfg for Grub that uses only LABELs, and the symlinks to initrds and kernels, and no UUIDs to make you cross-eyed. Once configured, custom.cfg needs no maintenance as long as you don't add or remove an installation depending on it. When you need a prior kernel, simply choose one from the normally auto-generated grub.cfg. -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
On 02/03/2021 03.53, Carl Spitzer {L Juno} wrote:
On Mon, 2021-03-01 at 18:20 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
FWIW, I think YaST has had that setup for quite a few releases, with only minor changes. ISTR the keyboard shortcuts changing at some point, which annoyed me coz' it ruined my routine.
I agree the root password should always be set up separately, but I wonder if we (at the time) were more concerned with being friendlier towards new users migrating from Windows.
Perhaps a guided install with longer pauses waiting for user customization or a delayed setting of custom settings until the end.. Then if you miss a simple yast subcommand to set all these particulars.
As far as I remember, these screens do not have a timeout. I have stopped at a point for hours while I thought about something else. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On Tue, Mar 2, 2021, at 10:53, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 02/03/2021 03.53, Carl Spitzer {L Juno} wrote:
On Mon, 2021-03-01 at 18:20 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
FWIW, I think YaST has had that setup for quite a few releases, with only minor changes. ISTR the keyboard shortcuts changing at some point, which annoyed me coz' it ruined my routine.
I agree the root password should always be set up separately, but I wonder if we (at the time) were more concerned with being friendlier towards new users migrating from Windows.
Perhaps a guided install with longer pauses waiting for user customization or a delayed setting of custom settings until the end.. Then if you miss a simple yast subcommand to set all these particulars.
As far as I remember, these screens do not have a timeout. I have stopped at a point for hours while I thought about something else.
Also this is part of the setup screens, the only thing that could take some time is the actually install at the end, but there are no further questions during that part..
-- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
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Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 02/03/2021 03.53, Carl Spitzer {L Juno} wrote:
On Mon, 2021-03-01 at 18:20 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
FWIW, I think YaST has had that setup for quite a few releases, with only minor changes. ISTR the keyboard shortcuts changing at some point, which annoyed me coz' it ruined my routine.
I agree the root password should always be set up separately, but I wonder if we (at the time) were more concerned with being friendlier towards new users migrating from Windows.
Perhaps a guided install with longer pauses waiting for user customization or a delayed setting of custom settings until the end.. Then if you miss a simple yast subcommand to set all these particulars.
As far as I remember, these screens do not have a timeout. I have stopped at a point for hours while I thought about something else.
The only window or prompt with a time-out that I can think of is right at the end, before the reboot - 10seconds? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (7.1°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland.
On 02/03/2021 11.10, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 02/03/2021 03.53, Carl Spitzer {L Juno} wrote:
On Mon, 2021-03-01 at 18:20 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
FWIW, I think YaST has had that setup for quite a few releases, with only minor changes. ISTR the keyboard shortcuts changing at some point, which annoyed me coz' it ruined my routine.
I agree the root password should always be set up separately, but I wonder if we (at the time) were more concerned with being friendlier towards new users migrating from Windows.
Perhaps a guided install with longer pauses waiting for user customization or a delayed setting of custom settings until the end.. Then if you miss a simple yast subcommand to set all these particulars.
As far as I remember, these screens do not have a timeout. I have stopped at a point for hours while I thought about something else.
The only window or prompt with a time-out that I can think of is right at the end, before the reboot - 10seconds?
Right. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2021-03-01 11:20:44 Per Jessen wrote:
|I agree the root password should always be set up separately, but I |wonder if we (at the time) were more concerned with being friendlier |towards new users migrating from Windows.
Or people migrating from other distros. The trend seems to be 'always use sudo for everything'. Leslie -- openSUSE Leap 15.2 x86_64
J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2021-03-01 11:20:44 Per Jessen wrote:
|I agree the root password should always be set up separately, but I |wonder if we (at the time) were more concerned with being friendlier |towards new users migrating from Windows.
Or people migrating from other distros.
Yes, that too perhaps.
The trend seems to be 'always use sudo for everything'.
Isn't that just a *buntu thing ? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.0°C)
Per Jessen composed on 2021-03-03 08:22 (UTC+0100):
J Leslie Turriff wrote:
Or people migrating from other distros.
Yes, that too perhaps.
The trend seems to be 'always use sudo for everything'.
Isn't that just a *buntu thing ?
That and its lebenty bazillion derivatives, most of all Mint, with 154% of Straight Ubuntu's Distrowatch ranking points, and Pop!_OS close behind Mint with 153%. openSUSE is currently at 56% (#11 to Mint @#3). :( -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Per Jessen composed on 2021-03-03 08:22 (UTC+0100):
J Leslie Turriff wrote:
Or people migrating from other distros.
Yes, that too perhaps.
The trend seems to be 'always use sudo for everything'. Isn't that just a *buntu thing ?
That and its lebenty bazillion derivatives, most of all Mint, with 154% of Straight Ubuntu's Distrowatch ranking points, and Pop!_OS close behind Mint with 153%. openSUSE is currently at 56% (#11 to Mint @#3). :( Mint, when forced to use KDE5, seems to be a rather nice distro. I put it on an
On 3/3/21 2:48 AM, Felix Miata wrote: old laptop. Why KDE was abandoned, I can't understand. And of course there is the problem with Dolphin root, which can't be forced. But, all in all. . . . Oh, yes, you can beat the sudo thing. . . . --doug
On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 15:54:08 +0100 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 01/03/2021 15.30, ken wrote:
On March 1, 2021 1:09:25 PM UTC, "Carlos E.R." <robin.listas@gmx.es> wrote:
After doing a new install of 15.2, I realized I was never prompted for a root password. Now I can't access most things to configure
On 01/03/2021 14.05, ken wrote: the system. How do I set a root password on this system?
It is the same password as your user.
You're golden.
Appreciated, but no :-D
You missed in the screen that asks for the user name and password a tick that says something like "use this same password for root". If you untick that, then you get aske for root's password.
That seems like poor UI design to me. I'd expect the default to be different passwords and the tickbox to be on the bit where you choose root's password to enable you to select the same if you wish.
There are several things like that in the installation. Defaults that we know are there, we are used to them, with little seen options to change them. We know where they are, but if you are not familiar with the system, you may miss them :-)
:-(
* Dave Howorth <dave@howorth.org.uk> [03-01-21 12:44]:
On Mon, 1 Mar 2021 15:54:08 +0100 "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 01/03/2021 15.30, ken wrote:
On March 1, 2021 1:09:25 PM UTC, "Carlos E.R." <robin.listas@gmx.es> wrote:
After doing a new install of 15.2, I realized I was never prompted for a root password. Now I can't access most things to configure
On 01/03/2021 14.05, ken wrote: the system. How do I set a root password on this system?
It is the same password as your user.
You're golden.
Appreciated, but no :-D
You missed in the screen that asks for the user name and password a tick that says something like "use this same password for root". If you untick that, then you get aske for root's password.
That seems like poor UI design to me. I'd expect the default to be different passwords and the tickbox to be on the bit where you choose root's password to enable you to select the same if you wish.
There are several things like that in the installation. Defaults that we know are there, we are used to them, with little seen options to change them. We know where they are, but if you are not familiar with the system, you may miss them :-)
yes, that would be the *best* approach. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode
On Mon, 2021-03-01 at 15:54 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
There are several things like that in the installation. Defaults that we know are there, we are used to them, with little seen options to change them. We know where they are, but if you are not familiar with the system, you may miss them :-)
Or you forget to watch teh install assuming it will take a long time so you walk out to the mailbox and miss the prompt. Because SuSE does not wait forever for you to respond. -- Carl Spitzer {L Juno} <lynux@juno.com> www.OCLUG.org Laptop ____________________________________________________________ Sponsored by https://www.newser.com/?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_taglines_more Top Utility Regulator in Texas Quits With 'Indignant' Letter http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/603da7b99c1927b86cb5st01vuc1 For First Time in Weeks, Most States See Increase in Cases http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/603da7b928d5627b86cb5st01vuc2 Democrats Unveil 'Ultra-Millionaire Tax Act' http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/603da7b947d1927b86cb5st01vuc3
On 3/1/21 7:05 AM, ken wrote:
After doing a new install of 15.2, I realized I was never prompted for a root password. Now I can't access most things to configure the system. How do I set a root password on this system?
I cannot stand the default installer behavior and I always make sure I check the: [x] Create traditional root account option during install. You will need to check that the /root user exists, if not, I'd just add it. Then you should be able to simply: $ su root # passwd to set a new root password and recover the traditional root account. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On 01/03/2021 23.49, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 3/1/21 7:05 AM, ken wrote:
After doing a new install of 15.2, I realized I was never prompted for a root password. Now I can't access most things to configure the system. How do I set a root password on this system?
I cannot stand the default installer behavior and I always make sure I check the:
[x] Create traditional root account
option during install.
You will need to check that the /root user exists, if not, I'd just add it. Then you should be able to simply:
Root always exists in an openSUSE Leap install.
$ su root
That command will fail, because root has a password from installation and su will ask for it ;-)
# passwd
to set a new root password and recover the traditional root account.
-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 3/1/21 5:54 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 01/03/2021 23.49, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 3/1/21 7:05 AM, ken wrote:
After doing a new install of 15.2, I realized I was never prompted for a root password. Now I can't access most things to configure the system. How do I set a root password on this system?
I cannot stand the default installer behavior and I always make sure I check the:
[x] Create traditional root account
option during install.
You will need to check that the /root user exists, if not, I'd just add it. Then you should be able to simply:
Root always exists in an openSUSE Leap install.
$ su root
That command will fail, because root has a password from installation and su will ask for it ;-)
As I understood earlier in the thread, if you don't select "traditional root account" during install, then root will have the same password as the user. So when prompted after $ su root just enter your password. Or, does the non-traditional root install do something different with the root password? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On 02/03/2021 01.15, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 3/1/21 5:54 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 01/03/2021 23.49, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 3/1/21 7:05 AM, ken wrote:
After doing a new install of 15.2, I realized I was never prompted for a root password. Now I can't access most things to configure the system. How do I set a root password on this system?
I cannot stand the default installer behavior and I always make sure I check the:
[x] Create traditional root account
option during install.
You will need to check that the /root user exists, if not, I'd just add it. Then you should be able to simply:
Root always exists in an openSUSE Leap install.
$ su root
That command will fail, because root has a password from installation and su will ask for it ;-)
As I understood earlier in the thread, if you don't select "traditional root account" during install, then root will have the same password as the user.
Correct. And OP problem solved :-) Remember, the question was "what password?" This prompt or tick or question: [x] Create traditional root account does not exist on openSUSE install. The "traditional root account" is always created. The prompt is instead: [x] Use this password for system administrator See <https://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/leap/startup/html/book-opensuse-startup/cha-install.html#sec-yast-install-user> On openSUSE, there is a full root account created during installation, always. Just that by default it has the same password as the first user. You must be confused with some other Linux.
So when prompted after
$ su root
just enter your password.
Or, does the non-traditional root install do something different with the root password?
-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
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