El Mié 18 Abr 2001 15:54, Julius escribió: Well, I have been one of the rant-keen ones, but I must say I have my reasons; I have been using linux for sth more than a couple of years, and the first linux I tried was SuSE 5.something, but oh it was the (in)-famous Live Eval.... ok, in one hand it let me peek a little at this linux thingie without touching anything in my PC... but then I got a nice RH 5.2 from Byte magazine or the sort and that one I INSTALLED since that was what I wanted to try. After a few months twiddling I bought RH 6.1, yes I bought it and payed for it. I really never was happy with it though, and documentation really sucks. So some six months ago I got me suse 7.0 Pro and payed for it. Well, not all of us are using linux professionally, not all of us get it payed by our firm, and not all of us can give away that happily the 60$+ that it costs, each n months when n tends to 0. Medium income is very different in different countries. So my point when raving was that I had never felt like a cracker while in the free-software world until I did this damned upgrade to SuSE 7 & half. I payed for that goddamned 7.0 version, which afterwards I learned was released after waiting without success for 2.4 kernel and that stuff. Ok. Then as a lot of people have commented here some months ago, give us the possibility to get a nice upgrade contract, where lets say for those 60 $ you get two or three upgrades and upgrade documentation. I'd be happy with that. I wouldnt pay that much, I wouldnt feel stupid buying full new versions each 4 or 6 months and suse gmbh would get some money from me. But I tell you there is NO WAY to buy that upgrade in Spain, you must order directly form suse and as I commented before, in the web you get this big advert stating "better not order from us, it will take more than 3 weeks to ship. Damn! In the 21st century an IT company needs 3 weeks+ to send you something. So thats the reason for the rants in my part. Of course I love suse or I wouldnt be here. But remember, different people have different needs AND different resources. So dont be so "American" if you let me say so, and dont think we are all rich around the globe. I am only asking for some nice and serious upgrade subscription. I am not easy talking about that "free-beer" stuff you say so happily. I know a little about FSF and GNU, and I am not asking for free beer man, I am asking for not having to buy THE WHOLE BARREL each time I want a drink. That's all Greetz for evryone.

I've been with SuSE since 5.0 and I was baying SuSE twice a year. With new packing policy I was intend to bay SuSE every other year. Well i do not have problem with supporting good distribution, but I have a feeling that Suse recently have match more business specialist they just sucks the money from the market. I can support developers, they do something good, but ... So, maybe it is time to go back to Slackware or take look at RH,

Cheers Jul.

Morsal Roudbay wrote:

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that is correct :)

----- Original Message ----- From: "Seth Payne" Cc: "SuSE English" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 11:01 PM Subject: RE: [SLE] Hello !? - SuSE it is time !!!

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my understanding is there will be no iso image. the live eval is it.

is this incorrect?

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** Reply to message from Julius on Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:12:48 -0500 ummm didn't we go thru all this rant stuff when the 7.1 release was announced ??? Couldn't eveyone just go back and read those archives , adn skip all this ?? In partitcular we keep having to repeat that SuSE does have people who donate frre software to various "causes" , Much of the stuff on the CD's was created by people Suse pays to write this stuff No one is complelling you to get each and every upgrade, ANd there are non - full 7/8 disk releases for less than half the price . Get a bigger piggy bank, decide how often you wish to UG , and do that ... Not to mention 3 week is all it takes to get the stuff from one country to another ?? No problem, it often takes longer than that to get Christmas cards ( they arrive in June, usually ) in my main place of exhistence .. Dont worry, no one at Suse is getting rich.. Not sure the same can be said for the Red Hat folks , even tho their stock took a bit of a beating when all "tech" stocks cratered. Thier plans for the future sound like something written by a Gates and Co. adman .... And lastly, this discussion is as fruitful as many "religious" discussions seem to be ... no one is ever converted to another's point of view , so let's just drop it ... Blondely j afterthought ... the headlights?

On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 05:04:56PM +0200, Morsal Roudbay wrote:

Personally I didnt like this move (to no release real ISOs) so I decided to change distro to RH 7.1.

Jedem das seine.

I had better duck now before I get attacked by SuSE huligans. :-P

On 2001.04.18 15:54 Julius wrote:

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I've been with SuSE since 5.0 and I was baying SuSE twice a year. With new packing policy I was intend to bay SuSE every other year. Well i do not have problem with supporting good distribution, but I have a feeling that Suse recently have match more business specialist they just sucks the money from the market. I can support developers, they do something good, but ... So, maybe it is time to go back to Slackware or take look at RH,

Cheers Jul.