[opensuse] Mico$oft Wants Royalties
So, Novell was offered the gambit and all of FOSS may have to pay... ... from the article: "According to open-software experts Microsoft is the real winner. The deal with Novell allows Microsoft to go out and demonstrate it is correct about Linux violating Microsoft patents, since Novell agreed to pay $40 million not to have its Linux customers sued for violations." "Industry insiders are now weary of what may come of Microsoft's experts. If Microsoft convinces the patent system that it is right, the open-source industry could face potential meltdown. Eben Moglen, executive director of the Software Freedom Law Center says a massive war is about to be waged on the patent battlefield." http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7269
Im thinking of asking Mr Ballmer to tell you guys to shut up and
stuff, cause it seems that everything he says is the largest truth of
the universe, and everybody should agree...
If he tells your guys to jump in a swamp, or to buy M+Ms... heh, never mind
Marcio
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druid
On 5/14/07, M Harris
So, Novell was offered the gambit and all of FOSS may have to pay...
... from the article:
"According to open-software experts Microsoft is the real winner. The deal with Novell allows Microsoft to go out and demonstrate it is correct about Linux violating Microsoft patents, since Novell agreed to pay $40 million not to have its Linux customers sued for violations."
"Industry insiders are now weary of what may come of Microsoft's experts. If Microsoft convinces the patent system that it is right, the open-source industry could face potential meltdown. Eben Moglen, executive director of the Software Freedom Law Center says a massive war is about to be waged on the patent battlefield."
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On Monday 14 May 2007 17:04, Druid wrote:
Im thinking of asking Mr Ballmer to tell you guys to shut up and stuff, cause it seems that everything he says is the largest truth of the universe, and everybody should agree... Good point...
... and PJ at Groklaw would agree I think... she thinks nothing will come of all the sabre rattling... but, bullies aren't normally know for their brain power. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070513234519615 -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday May 14 2007 4:54:00 pm M Harris wrote:
So, Novell was offered the gambit and all of FOSS may have to pay...
... from the article:
"According to open-software experts Microsoft is the real winner. The deal with Novell allows Microsoft to go out and demonstrate it is correct about Linux violating Microsoft patents, since Novell agreed to pay $40 million not to have its Linux customers sued for violations."
"Industry insiders are now weary of what may come of Microsoft's experts. If Microsoft convinces the patent system that it is right, the open-source industry could face potential meltdown. Eben Moglen, executive director of the Software Freedom Law Center says a massive war is about to be waged on the patent battlefield."
And this has what to do with a technical issue with openSUSE Linux? Would you please, please, pretty please send this stuff to the real opensuse-offtopic list and leave this one for technical issues with openSUSE and its predecessors? Thanks, -- Stan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
And this has what to do with a technical issue with openSUSE Linux? If you cared a whit about the technical issues with Novell openSUSE (let alone SLED, SLES) you wouldn't have to ask your question. But since you ask, if M$ is correct (and they're probably BALLED FACED LIARS) then IP will spell game-over for Linux distributors like Novell, and there won't be any discussion to be had for openSUSE... end of story. On the other hand (and far more likely) if Micro$oft execs are in fact BALLED FACED LIARS then these notes should be of immense interest to every technical
On Monday 14 May 2007 19:09, S Glasoe wrote: person on this list... new and old alike... because being educated about this issue is the first step in fighting it. Patent numbers spell game-over for Linux... on the other hand FUD spells doom only as long as folks do not DISCUSS it in their main open forums... its critical. Novell stupidly played into the M$ scheme and took their bait... against all sound advice... neither here nor there at this point... but we cannot allow this to happen again... and the way to prevent it is to discuss it copiously. And another thing... ... something all commercial and hobby rocket engineers should be thinking about in the near future... Gnu/Linux must be preserved, packaged, and prepared for random distribution. M$ might take down Redhat, or Novell, (as a central target which they can put clearly in their sights) but they aren't even going to be able to target the larger community. Ubuntu is a fantastic upstart in this direction. But there have to be more... many more... forks and forks... from every direction. It must spread like dandy-lion seeds across the lush green fields of IP nonsense. If Micro$oft believes they can patent a mathematical algorithm (all software, most of which they stole themselves from Xerox and IBM) then the free software movement must prove them wrong... forever. Eben Moglen is correct... the time is come and the time is now... there is going to be a clarion call for battle on the fields of patent law, relevant to every system engineer, or hacker, who wields the blade of the software art or ever called themselves "programmer". Don't Tread On Me -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday May 14 2007 8:39:11 pm M Harris wrote:
On Monday 14 May 2007 19:09, S Glasoe wrote:
And this has what to do with a technical issue with openSUSE Linux?
If you cared a whit about the technical issues with Novell openSUSE (let alone SLED, SLES) you wouldn't have to ask your question. But since you ask, if M$ is correct (and they're probably BALLED FACED LIARS) then IP will spell game-over for Linux distributors like Novell, and there won't be any discussion to be had for openSUSE... end of story. On the other hand (and far more likely) if Micro$oft execs are in fact BALLED FACED LIARS then these notes should be of immense interest to every technical person on this list... new and old alike... because being educated about this issue is the first step in fighting it. Patent numbers spell game-over for Linux... on the other hand FUD spells doom only as long as folks do not DISCUSS it in their main open forums... its critical. Novell stupidly played into the M$ scheme and took their bait... against all sound advice... neither here nor there at this point... but we cannot allow this to happen again... and the way to prevent it is to discuss it copiously.
Well that'd be 'bald faced liars' meaning clean-shaven, no mask and telling lies with a straight face without any shame. So what's changed since Linus released Linux in 1991 was it? Same old, same old. Microsoft has been saying this since day 2 of Linux. Microsoft has been spreading FUD about something since day one of their operations.
... something all commercial and hobby rocket engineers should be thinking about in the near future... Gnu/Linux must be preserved, packaged, and prepared for random distribution. M$ might take down Redhat, or Novell, (as a central target which they can put clearly in their sights) but they aren't even going to be able to target the larger community. Ubuntu is a fantastic upstart in this direction. But there have to be more... many more... forks and forks... from every direction. It must spread like dandy-lion seeds across the lush green fields of IP nonsense. If Micro$oft believes they can patent a mathematical algorithm (all software, most of which they stole themselves from Xerox and IBM) then the free software movement must prove them wrong... forever. Eben Moglen is correct... the time is come and the time is now... there is going to be a clarion call for battle on the fields of patent law, relevant to every system engineer, or hacker, who wields the blade of the software art or ever called themselves "programmer".
I call BULLSHIT! Forking really helped commercial UNIX fight off the Microsoft menace now didn't it? You've really bit into the new SCO-bait haven't you? Without specifying anything, Microsoft is trying to prove Linux infringes something. Now you are actively supporting Microsoft's position by ranting and raving here exactly what they want you to be ranting and raving about. If you just keep spreading the Linux goodness like you did after that wonderful Vista/Powerpoint presentation then Linux will survive whatever Microsoft can possibly throw at it.
Don't Tread On Me
I won't if you won't. Please quit dumping corporate marketing FUD into a technical list. This is the openSUSE list where anyone can come to get help with their openSUSE/SLES/SLED technical issues and get redirected to a more appropriate list if needed.
Kind regards,
M Harris <><
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On Tuesday 15 May 2007 03:39, M Harris wrote:
On Monday 14 May 2007 19:09, S Glasoe wrote:
And this has what to do with a technical issue with openSUSE Linux?
If you cared a whit about the technical issues with Novell openSUSE (let
While I agree with you that we should stay in the know about the evil empire I should point out, what the shitheads at M$ say or do means nothing to me. #1 I will not pay M$ for Linux. #2 I do not pay M$ for M$ or I should say I pay what its worth. :) #3 In the future I will not pay M$ no matter what. JIM -- Jim Hatridge Linux User #88484 Ebay ID: WartHogBulletin ------------------------------------------------------ WartHog Bulletin Info about new German Stamps http://www.WartHogBulletin.de Many Enemies -- Much Honor! Anti-US Propaganda stamp collection http://www.manyenemies-muchhonor.info An American in Bavaria http://www.gaubodengalerie.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
#3 In the future I will not pay M$ no matter what. Well, that is what I thought too. And I "am" willing to pay a distributor for
On Wednesday 16 May 2007 04:45, James Hatridge wrote: linux (Novell, whoever) because I value their time, their creativity, and I realize they need to eat while they are building and testing my distro. But, now I am faced with the distributors being strong-armed into paying protection fees (FUD fees) and therefore... I end of paying M$ indirectly. I hate it. -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 5/16/07, M Harris
#3 In the future I will not pay M$ no matter what. Well, that is what I thought too. And I "am" willing to pay a distributor for
On Wednesday 16 May 2007 04:45, James Hatridge wrote: linux (Novell, whoever) because I value their time, their creativity, and I realize they need to eat while they are building and testing my distro. But, now I am faced with the distributors being strong-armed into paying protection fees (FUD fees) and therefore... I end of paying M$ indirectly. I hate it.
Not all of them do that I think...
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On Wednesday 16 May 2007 14:22, M Harris wrote:
On Wednesday 16 May 2007 04:45, James Hatridge wrote:
#3 In the future I will not pay M$ no matter what.
Well, that is what I thought too. And I "am" willing to pay a distributor for linux (Novell, whoever) because I value their time, their creativity, and I realize they need to eat while they are building and testing my distro. But, now I am faced with the distributors being strong-armed into paying protection fees (FUD fees) and therefore... I end of paying M$ indirectly. I hate it.
-- Kind regards,
M Harris <><
The last I heard, there were to be no distributors for Suse Linux, or whatever it's called now--you would have to buy it direct from Novell. Has this changed? --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 17 May 2007 10:11, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On Wednesday 16 May 2007 14:22, M Harris wrote:
On Wednesday 16 May 2007 04:45, James Hatridge wrote:
#3 In the future I will not pay M$ no matter what.
Well, that is what I thought too. And I "am" willing to pay a distributor for linux (Novell, whoever) because I value their time, their creativity, and I realize they need to eat while they are building and testing my distro. But, now I am faced with the distributors being strong-armed into paying protection fees (FUD fees) and therefore... I end of paying M$ indirectly. I hate it.
-- Kind regards,
M Harris <><
The last I heard, there were to be no distributors for Suse Linux, or whatever it's called now--you would have to buy it direct from Novell. Has this changed?
--doug
He did not say SuSe Linux. There are many distributors of other distros that sell their variety of Linux. -- Regards, George Osvald OK Studio ® http://www.okstudio.com.au Email: mail@okstudio.com.au -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 16 May 2007 19:11, Doug McGarrett wrote:
The last I heard, there were to be no distributors for Suse Linux, or whatever it's called now--you would have to buy it direct from Novell. Has this changed? This sounds like a technical question... sortof...
... you're probably gonna get me into trouble for posting on the technical list again ... but, no, uh, --- what I meant by distributor is someone who makes a "distro". Novell openSUSE is a linux "distro" and Novell is the "distributor". Redhat also distributes linux. Best-Buy (on the other hand) used to be a "remarketer" of openSUSE linux. Novell still distributes linux, but alas (Uffduh) Best-Buy is no longer is an openSUSE linux remarketer. -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 11:45 +0200, James Hatridge wrote:
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 03:39, M Harris wrote:
On Monday 14 May 2007 19:09, S Glasoe wrote:
And this has what to do with a technical issue with openSUSE Linux?
If you cared a whit about the technical issues with Novell openSUSE (let
While I agree with you that we should stay in the know about the evil empire I should point out, what the shitheads at M$ say or do means nothing to me. #1 I will not pay M$ for Linux. #2 I do not pay M$ for M$ or I should say I pay what its worth. :) #3 In the future I will not pay M$ no matter what.
JIM
Where do you buy your hardware from? Even assembling your own system, somewhere you are probably paying some MS tax. E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 11:45 +0200, James Hatridge wrote:
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 03:39, M Harris wrote:
On Monday 14 May 2007 19:09, S Glasoe wrote:
And this has what to do with a technical issue with openSUSE Linux?
If you cared a whit about the technical issues with Novell openSUSE (let
While I agree with you that we should stay in the know about the evil empire I should point out, what the shitheads at M$ say or do means nothing to me. #1 I will not pay M$ for Linux. #2 I do not pay M$ for M$ or I should say I pay what its worth. :) #3 In the future I will not pay M$ no matter what.
JIM
Where do you buy your hardware from? Even assembling your own system, somewhere you are probably paying some MS tax.
Such as??? There is a computer vendor, located near me, that sells laptops loaded with Linux or no OS for less than they charge for the same computer with Windows. What MS tax would you be paying on a mother board? Computer case? -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 17 May 2007, James Knott wrote:
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 11:45 +0200, James Hatridge wrote:
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 03:39, M Harris wrote:
On Monday 14 May 2007 19:09, S Glasoe wrote:
And this has what to do with a technical issue with openSUSE Linux?
If you cared a whit about the technical issues with Novell openSUSE (let
While I agree with you that we should stay in the know about the evil empire I should point out, what the shitheads at M$ say or do means nothing to me. #1 I will not pay M$ for Linux. #2 I do not pay M$ for M$ or I should say I pay what its worth. :) #3 In the future I will not pay M$ no matter what.
JIM
Where do you buy your hardware from? Even assembling your own system, somewhere you are probably paying some MS tax.
Such as??? There is a computer vendor, located near me, that sells laptops loaded with Linux or no OS for less than they charge for the same computer with Windows. What MS tax would you be paying on a mother board? Computer case?
Most hardware today comes with bundled software. Grafix board come with video processing software, games etc. Motherboards if they include onboard sound come with sound and multimedia related software. DVD drives, soundcards.....and all that software will be more that likely written for Windows. You pay for it every time you buy any of those. -- Regards, George Osvald OK Studio ® http://www.okstudio.com.au Email: mail@okstudio.com.au -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Well, here in South Africa I can go to the main computer shops (not many) and can only get XP or Vista on the laptops. Dell wont sell me an OS-less laptop. The components providers like Rectron and Pinnacle can provide me with spares - but as I understand it they sell their pre-build machines (win Win on) for cheaper by spreading the cost of the OS over all their components. So yes, in Europe or USA its prob possible to get MS free stuff, but is darn diff in this part of the world. On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 07:24 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
On Wed, 2007-05-16 at 11:45 +0200, James Hatridge wrote:
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 03:39, M Harris wrote:
On Monday 14 May 2007 19:09, S Glasoe wrote:
And this has what to do with a technical issue with openSUSE Linux?
If you cared a whit about the technical issues with Novell openSUSE (let
While I agree with you that we should stay in the know about the evil empire I should point out, what the shitheads at M$ say or do means nothing to me. #1 I will not pay M$ for Linux. #2 I do not pay M$ for M$ or I should say I pay what its worth. :) #3 In the future I will not pay M$ no matter what.
JIM
Where do you buy your hardware from? Even assembling your own system, somewhere you are probably paying some MS tax.
Such as??? There is a computer vendor, located near me, that sells laptops loaded with Linux or no OS for less than they charge for the same computer with Windows. What MS tax would you be paying on a mother board? Computer case?
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