[opensuse] antivirus
So, it is like it used to be, Carlos? Really no need for antivirus software? Interesting that the windows machines are being protected from themselve. I assume some distros must be weaker than others? Or why would clamav or antivir (Avira GmbH) been created. I'm probably sticking my foot in my mouth or worse my head where the sun doesn't bother shining, but I'm really curious as to clamav and antivir. You don't have to answer this if you don't want, Carlos. I can check it out! Thanks! John -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
So, it is like it used to be, Carlos? Really no need for antivirus software? Interesting that the windows machines are being protected from themselve. I assume some distros must be weaker than others? Or why would clamav or antivir (Avira GmbH) been created. I'm probably sticking my foot in my mouth or worse my head where the sun doesn't bother shining, but I'm really curious as to clamav and antivir. You don't have to answer this if you don't want, Carlos. I can check it out! Thanks!
So far, there is no pressing need to scan files specifically for Linux. This does not mean that viruses are not possible... they are very definitely possible, just unlikely if you are using a proply set-up and configured Linux workstation (ie not running as root). The antivirus utils for Linux--- such as clamav and antivir are primarily to protect Windows users from themselves and to stop mailservers from sending on virus infected emails. If you look at what clamav does, its primary job is to scan emails for Windows viruses so that they are "caught" and not forwarded on to recipients who might be using Windows. PandaAV... a quote from their website: "The aim of Panda Antivirus for Linux is to scan and disinfect Windows and DOS workstations connected to a Linux server, as well as the Linux server itself." So there is some definite merit and use to these anti virus programs... especially in a mixed OS networked environment... and also to clean up the rare Linux nasty that is floating about. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John B Pace wrote:
So, it is like it used to be, Carlos? Really no need for antivirus software?
Non-root users still don't have root abilities, so, no, of course not. Do downloaded files suddenly make themselves executable, without you chmod'ing them? The security model hasn't changed since 1970, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE! Remember, the Unix security model was designed with the presumption that ANY user might accidentally do something utterly stupid, and so the whole system was designed to protect users from each others' stupidity.
Interesting that the windows machines are being protected from themselve.
What cave have you been hiding in for the last 15 years?
I assume some distros must be weaker than others? Or why would clamav or antivir (Avira GmbH) been created.
To weed out Microsoft viruses. Sheesh, John, name one Linux virus. The last outbreak of malware in the *nix community was over 20 years ago...and that was due to buffer overruns (which have since been corrected) on hardware so obsolete that you can't even find in operation any more (VAX-11 and Motorola 680x0 CPUs)
I'm probably sticking my foot in my mouth or worse my head where the sun doesn't bother shining, but I'm really curious as to clamav and antivir. You don't have to answer this if you don't want, Carlos. I can check it out! Thanks! John
They're for the purpose of protecting Windows clients from malware-infested Windows viruses. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I can't recall any viruses, malware, but then I've probably only put 90 hours into linux altogether, which is why I introduced myself as an older dummy. What did you mean about being a non-root user. I'm normally no-root except when I need to be in root. I see that you just came on board as far as downloaded files. That solution was taken care of a good deal of time ago this morning with some excellent answers. There were no "of course not." That phrase should be left out of conversation about discussing solutions. It sounds like old linux answers by those that think they may have something over the rest of us. I don't and won't put up with that crap. I don't need your preaching with your capitalizing either. In fact, I don't need you disrespect at all, so keep it to yourself because I surely don't care what you say or what others say to my response. John On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 10:36 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
John B Pace wrote:
So, it is like it used to be, Carlos? Really no need for antivirus software?
Non-root users still don't have root abilities, so, no, of course not.
Do downloaded files suddenly make themselves executable, without you chmod'ing them?
The security model hasn't changed since 1970, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE!
Remember, the Unix security model was designed with the presumption that ANY user might accidentally do something utterly stupid, and so the whole system was designed to protect users from each others' stupidity.
Interesting that the windows machines are being protected from themselve.
What cave have you been hiding in for the last 15 years?
I assume some distros must be weaker than others? Or why would clamav or antivir (Avira GmbH) been created.
To weed out Microsoft viruses.
Sheesh, John, name one Linux virus.
The last outbreak of malware in the *nix community was over 20 years ago...and that was due to buffer overruns (which have since been corrected) on hardware so obsolete that you can't even find in operation any more (VAX-11 and Motorola 680x0 CPUs)
I'm probably sticking my foot in my mouth or worse my head where the sun doesn't bother shining, but I'm really curious as to clamav and antivir. You don't have to answer this if you don't want, Carlos. I can check it out! Thanks! John
They're for the purpose of protecting Windows clients from malware-infested Windows viruses.
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I missed this one earlier. "What kind of cave did I live in for the past 15 years?" First, my most disagreeable person, that's really non of your business. Now that you know it is none of your business, I haven't been at all involved with linux got the past 20 years and am just trying to grasp some concepts and some understanding of it without asses like you coming along, not reading all of the messages and making judgements with old time linux language that doe drive users away. There were a lot more of your stinking ilk 20 years ago and thankfully very few now. So now I put this garbage to rest and regret that I can't tell your geek head this in person, face to face. Like I previously said, I just don't care about crap like you. I forgive easily, but I doubt if you have the real guts to go back, see where you were wrong, and apologize. Get it? Or am I out of your league because I can sure get way out of your league if you want to. John B. P.S. Every addition that you made wasn't an addition. It had already been said, but in a decent manner called human to human. Not with smart ass snide remarks. On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 15:53 -0500, John B Pace wrote:
I can't recall any viruses, malware, but then I've probably only put 90 hours into linux altogether, which is why I introduced myself as an older dummy. What did you mean about being a non-root user. I'm normally no-root except when I need to be in root. I see that you just came on board as far as downloaded files. That solution was taken care of a good deal of time ago this morning with some excellent answers. There were no "of course not." That phrase should be left out of conversation about discussing solutions. It sounds like old linux answers by those that think they may have something over the rest of us. I don't and won't put up with that crap. I don't need your preaching with your capitalizing either. In fact, I don't need you disrespect at all, so keep it to yourself because I surely don't care what you say or what others say to my response.
John On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 10:36 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
John B Pace wrote:
So, it is like it used to be, Carlos? Really no need for antivirus software?
Non-root users still don't have root abilities, so, no, of course not.
Do downloaded files suddenly make themselves executable, without you chmod'ing them?
The security model hasn't changed since 1970, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE!
Remember, the Unix security model was designed with the presumption that ANY user might accidentally do something utterly stupid, and so the whole system was designed to protect users from each others' stupidity.
Interesting that the windows machines are being protected from themselve.
What cave have you been hiding in for the last 15 years?
I assume some distros must be weaker than others? Or why would clamav or antivir (Avira GmbH) been created.
To weed out Microsoft viruses.
Sheesh, John, name one Linux virus.
The last outbreak of malware in the *nix community was over 20 years ago...and that was due to buffer overruns (which have since been corrected) on hardware so obsolete that you can't even find in operation any more (VAX-11 and Motorola 680x0 CPUs)
I'm probably sticking my foot in my mouth or worse my head where the sun doesn't bother shining, but I'm really curious as to clamav and antivir. You don't have to answer this if you don't want, Carlos. I can check it out! Thanks! John
They're for the purpose of protecting Windows clients from malware-infested Windows viruses.
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John B Pace wrote:
I missed this one earlier. "What kind of cave did I live in for the past 15 years?" First, my most disagreeable person, that's really non of your business. Now that you know it is none of your business, I haven't been at all involved with linux got the past 20 years and am just trying to grasp some concepts and some understanding of it without asses like you coming along, not reading all of the messages and making judgements with old time linux language that doe drive users away. There were a lot more of your stinking ilk 20 years ago and thankfully very few now. So now I put this garbage to rest and regret that I can't tell your geek head this in person, face to face. Like I previously said, I just don't care about crap like you. I forgive easily, but I doubt if you have the real guts to go back, see where you were wrong, and apologize. Get it? Or am I out of your league because I can sure get way out of your league if you want to. John B. P.S. Every addition that you made wasn't an addition. It had already been said, but in a decent manner called human to human. Not with smart ass snide remarks.
when you presented yourself as an "old linux user", I didn't understand that to mean "new linux user with grey hair" So, I naturally interpreted your statement as meaing that you had prior experience with Unix, and were stating that you were .. for lack of a better term, coming back to it.
On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 15:53 -0500, John B Pace wrote:
I can't recall any viruses, malware, but then I've probably only put 90 hours into linux altogether, which is why I introduced myself as an older dummy. What did you mean about being a non-root user. I'm normally no-root except when I need to be in root. I see that you just came on board as far as downloaded files. That solution was taken care of a good deal of time ago this morning with some excellent answers. There were no "of course not." That phrase should be left out of conversation about discussing solutions. It sounds like old linux answers by those that think they may have something over the rest of us. I don't and won't put up with that crap. I don't need your preaching with your capitalizing either. In fact, I don't need you disrespect at all, so keep it to yourself because I surely don't care what you say or what others say to my response.
John On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 10:36 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
John B Pace wrote:
So, it is like it used to be, Carlos? Really no need for antivirus software? Non-root users still don't have root abilities, so, no, of course not.
Do downloaded files suddenly make themselves executable, without you chmod'ing them?
The security model hasn't changed since 1970, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE!
Remember, the Unix security model was designed with the presumption that ANY user might accidentally do something utterly stupid, and so the whole system was designed to protect users from each others' stupidity.
Interesting that the windows machines are being protected from themselve. What cave have you been hiding in for the last 15 years?
I assume some distros must be weaker than others? Or why would clamav or antivir (Avira GmbH) been created. To weed out Microsoft viruses.
Sheesh, John, name one Linux virus.
The last outbreak of malware in the *nix community was over 20 years ago...and that was due to buffer overruns (which have since been corrected) on hardware so obsolete that you can't even find in operation any more (VAX-11 and Motorola 680x0 CPUs)
I'm probably sticking my foot in my mouth or worse my head where the sun doesn't bother shining, but I'm really curious as to clamav and antivir. You don't have to answer this if you don't want, Carlos. I can check it out! Thanks! John They're for the purpose of protecting Windows clients from malware-infested Windows viruses.
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John B Pace wrote:
On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 10:36 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
John B Pace wrote:
So, it is like it used to be, Carlos? Really no need for antivirus software? Non-root users still don't have root abilities, so, no, of course not.
Do downloaded files suddenly make themselves executable, without you chmod'ing them?
The security model hasn't changed since 1970, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE!
Remember, the Unix security model was designed with the presumption that ANY user might accidentally do something utterly stupid, and so the whole system was designed to protect users from each others' stupidity.
Interesting that the windows machines are being protected from themselve. What cave have you been hiding in for the last 15 years?
I assume some distros must be weaker than others? Or why would clamav or antivir (Avira GmbH) been created. To weed out Microsoft viruses.
Sheesh, John, name one Linux virus.
The last outbreak of malware in the *nix community was over 20 years ago...and that was due to buffer overruns (which have since been corrected) on hardware so obsolete that you can't even find in operation any more (VAX-11 and Motorola 680x0 CPUs)
I'm probably sticking my foot in my mouth or worse my head where the sun doesn't bother shining, but I'm really curious as to clamav and antivir. You don't have to answer this if you don't want, Carlos. I can check it out! Thanks! John They're for the purpose of protecting Windows clients from malware-infested Windows viruses.
I can't recall any viruses, malware, but then I've probably only put 90 hours into linux altogether, which is why I introduced myself as an older dummy.
Oh, I see. I thought you meant you used to use Unix way back a long time ago.
What did you mean about being a non-root user.
The system administrators account is user ID 0, and by default, named "root" ... you can change this, but it will cause problems if a program checks the user name rather than the user ID number.
I'm normally no-root except when I need to be in root. I
That's good. Never do anything as root unless you need to. Even software that I grab off of websites, do all of my downloading from my normal user account. I just use the su command to change user ID to root just to install the software, and then end the su session.
see that you just came on board as far as downloaded files. That solution was taken care of a good deal of time ago this morning with some excellent answers. There were no "of course not." That phrase should be left out of conversation about discussing solutions. It sounds like old linux answers by those that think they may have something over the rest of us. I don't and won't put up with that crap. I don't need your
I misunderstood what you were saying in your original post. I thought you mean "old linux user" as someone with experience in this operating system from long ago, not someone who is getting grey hair. My mistake.
preaching with your capitalizing either. In fact, I don't need you disrespect at all, so keep it to yourself because I surely don't care what you say or what others say to my response.
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John B Pace wrote:
So, it is like it used to be, Carlos? Really no need for antivirus software? Interesting that the windows machines are being protected from themselve. I assume some distros must be weaker than others? Or why would clamav or antivir (Avira GmbH) been created. I'm probably sticking my foot in my mouth or worse my head where the sun doesn't bother shining, but I'm really curious as to clamav and antivir. You don't have to answer this if you don't want, Carlos. I can check it out! Thanks! John
No, it has nothing to do with distro's, though some are better than others. It's the whole design of the system. Linux, like Unix was designed to be multiuser and also network aware. As a result, it has proper security methods. On the other hand, Windows evolved in a single user, stand alone world, where security is not much of an issue. Further, Microsoft has done some incredibly stupid things, such as tying Internet Explorer to the kernel. This means a browser problem becomes an operating system problem and leaves the door wide open for malware. Incidentally, this was done as the result of a law suit. They were sued by Netscape over bundling of IE with Windows. MS said that was necessary, as IE was part of the OS. At that time it wasn't. IE was simply another app, like Netscape. However, with the next verion of Windows (W98 IIRC), IE was indeed intertwined with the OS. Other reasons include the fact that something is not an executable, unless explicitly made so. This means that if you get a virus in your email, you have to save it to disk, make it executable and then run it. It will not run automatically. The list of reasons continues... -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John B Pace wrote:
So, it is like it used to be, Carlos? Really no need for antivirus software? Interesting that the windows machines are being protected from themselve. I assume some distros must be weaker than others? Or why would clamav or antivir (Avira GmbH) been created. I'm probably sticking my foot in my mouth or worse my head where the sun doesn't bother shining, but I'm really curious as to clamav and antivir. You don't have to answer this if you don't want, Carlos. I can check it out! Thanks!
As I think Carlos hinted, clamav and the other linux AV players exist in large part to protect windows clients whose files are stored on linux servers. Our company runs clamav on our (suse powered) mail servers since we have thousands of internal users, most of them being windows users who need virus protection. But, clamav has evolved beyond it's windows virus roots, and now helps us block phishing scams, PDF spam and other sorts of spam and malware. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2008-01-21 at 08:47 -0500, John B Pace wrote:
So, it is like it used to be, Carlos?
Huh, I could have missed this out of thread email.
Really no need for antivirus software? Interesting that the windows machines are being protected from themselve. I assume some distros must be weaker than others? Or why would clamav or antivir (Avira GmbH) been created. I'm probably sticking my foot in my mouth or worse my head where the sun doesn't bother shining, but I'm really curious as to clamav and antivir. You don't have to answer this if you don't want, Carlos. I can check it out! Thanks! John
Other people have already said what I could have said and even expanded what I intended to say :-) I'll add something. The problem in Linux is not "virus", but other types of malware, like worms, rootkits, attacks, perhaps trojans... Most of them are fighted by firewalls, proper software maintenance (ie, closing fast the holes as they are discovered), good practices (not installing anything from anywhere, for instance). It is possible that an email contains code, but in Linux mail clients do not execute code without you knowing - and would execute as user, not root, so the damage would be limited. But innocuous files like gif images have been known to trigger holes in some software (now and then a hole of this type is closed by an update). Or a pdf file can contain scripts which are executed by acrobat. Some of this things could be detected by an antivirus scanning email. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHldE1tTMYHG2NR9URAuaWAJ4gEY3ylVnq3QZC0ZvVwYdpj/s8pwCfUAIZ BgVrtpkpbi6+/gHSgDJlPVQ= =8lmg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John B Pace wrote:
So, it is like it used to be, Carlos? Really no need for antivirus software? Interesting that the windows machines are being protected from themselve. I assume some distros must be weaker than others? Or why would clamav or antivir (Avira GmbH) been created. I'm probably sticking my foot in my mouth or worse my head where the sun doesn't bother shining, but I'm really curious as to clamav and antivir. You don't have to answer this if you don't want, Carlos. I can check it out! Thanks! John
These antivirus programs are made mainly for scanning attached files in e-mails sent by windows computers. Although some virus eventually included in those e-mails are not able to infect your Linux operating system, whenever you send them to someone else they might infect others computers that receive them. Eventually, you may use these programs to scan windows computers in your local network. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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