Hi, On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Nadeem Hasan wrote:
I don't know what prompted SuSE to do this but it doesn't look very good to me. I think the fact that you had such big collection of apps at such a good price made SuSE very attractive.
And a nightmare for the beginner, who is totally confused by the sheer amount of packages, I would like to add.
Its no longer the case though. Now, with the splitting of the distro, it has lost a lot of value which it had. I always disliked RedHat for this.
What makes you think so? If you still want to have the bells and whistles, go for the Professional version.
For the benefit of all of us here, could you please explain the idea behind this move? I don't think any one here on the list is happy with this split. It would force most of us not to buy the box but wait for the FTP download, which is always very late. RedHat does better here. Their distro is available at the FTP site before or no later than a new release.
The ftp version will be the same as before, including all the packages from the full (now Professional) version. We just created a new product for the newbie, that just comes with an assorted selection of packages - this is the Personal Edition. The "old" version now simply has a new name, more manuals and more support.
Maybe your marketing guys have a very valid reasons. But do you guys really think the boxes would give you enough revenue?
Most of us don't even need all those manuals you are giving. We just need the CDs. Now, forcing us to pay more than what we should isn't new to me. I think I have seen it before. I thought it would never happen to me again.
Then go for the upgrade version, which only consists of the 6 CDs and a small booklet. I am sure, it will be sold it in the US, too.
I am very disappointed by all this. SuSE will never be the same for me again. I don't think I will ever buy a box now.
Sorry if you think about it like that - but I cannot do anything about this. IMHO the splitting has some good reasons. Of course it is always a pain, if things change. I hope I was able to give you some background about the reasons behind all this. Bye, LenZ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Lenz Grimmer SuSE GmbH mailto:grimmer@suse.de Schanzaeckerstr. 10 http://www.suse.de/~grimmer/ 90443 Nuernberg, Germany With foxes we must play the fox. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 07:03:11PM +0200, Lenz Grimmer wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Nadeem Hasan wrote:
I don't know what prompted SuSE to do this but it doesn't look very good to me. I think the fact that you had such big collection of apps at such a good price made SuSE very attractive.
And a nightmare for the beginner, who is totally confused by the sheer amount of packages, I would like to add.
Its no longer the case though. Now, with the splitting of the distro, it has lost a lot of value which it had. I always disliked RedHat for this.
What makes you think so? If you still want to have the bells and whistles, go for the Professional version.
For the benefit of all of us here, could you please explain the idea behind this move? I don't think any one here on the list is happy with this split. It would force most of us not to buy the box but wait for the FTP download, which is always very late. RedHat does better here. Their distro is available at the FTP site before or no later than a new release.
The ftp version will be the same as before, including all the packages from the full (now Professional) version. We just created a new product for the newbie, that just comes with an assorted selection of packages - this is the Personal Edition. The "old" version now simply has a new name, more manuals and more support.
Maybe your marketing guys have a very valid reasons. But do you guys really think the boxes would give you enough revenue?
Most of us don't even need all those manuals you are giving. We just need the CDs. Now, forcing us to pay more than what we should isn't new to me. I think I have seen it before. I thought it would never happen to me again.
Then go for the upgrade version, which only consists of the 6 CDs and a small booklet. I am sure, it will be sold it in the US, too.
I am very disappointed by all this. SuSE will never be the same for me again. I don't think I will ever buy a box now.
Sorry if you think about it like that - but I cannot do anything about this. IMHO the splitting has some good reasons. Of course it is always a pain, if things change. I hope I was able to give you some background about the reasons behind all this.
Bye, LenZ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Lenz Grimmer SuSE GmbH mailto:grimmer@suse.de Schanzaeckerstr. 10 http://www.suse.de/~grimmer/ 90443 Nuernberg, Germany With foxes we must play the fox.
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What is the big deal!!!! SuSE puts out the best Linux distribution there is. They are just trying to make it easier for newbies (who are more likely to buy the boxed set anyway). The same old 6 CD set is still going to be available. I could understand people's disappointment if SuSE had decided to only market a minimal version. However, that is not the case. If you like things the way they are now, then just buy the professional version when it becomes available. I for one, want to thanks the SuSE developers for all the good work that they put into making the distribution. I am confident that 7.0 in all its incarnations will be great. Victor -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
I have to second Victor Cardona's statement !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This squabbling is getting old!! Why can't we get back to discussing problems? Ed "Victor R. Cardona" wrote:
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What is the big deal!!!! SuSE puts out the best Linux distribution there is. They are just trying to make it easier for newbies (who are more likely to buy the boxed set anyway). The same old 6 CD set is still going to be available. I could understand people's disappointment if SuSE had decided to only market a minimal version. However, that is not the case. If you like things the way they are now, then just buy the professional version when it becomes available.
I for one, want to thanks the SuSE developers for all the good work that they put into making the distribution. I am confident that 7.0 in all its incarnations will be great.
Victor
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YO! Hear, hear. I agree on that HÖ "Edwin O. Erdman" wrote:
I have to second Victor Cardona's statement !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This squabbling is getting old!! Why can't we get back to discussing problems?
Ed
"Victor R. Cardona" wrote:
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What is the big deal!!!! SuSE puts out the best Linux distribution there is. They are just trying to make it easier for newbies (who are more likely to buy the boxed set anyway). The same old 6 CD set is still going to be available. I could understand people's disappointment if SuSE had decided to only market a minimal version. However, that is not the case. If you like things the way they are now, then just buy the professional version when it becomes available.
I for one, want to thanks the SuSE developers for all the good work that they put into making the distribution. I am confident that 7.0 in all its incarnations will be great.
Victor
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