Re: [SuSE Linux] OT: More testimony from IBM
Right-O! As a user of OS/2, though Linux is my first choice now I'd hate to see Linux and the end user lose, because we thought Linux was unstopable. Bob joe lerch wrote:
<A HREF="http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/tc/story.html?s=v/nm/19990527/tc/microsoft_14.html"><A HREF="http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/tc/story.html?s=v/nm/19990527/tc/microsoft_14.html</A">http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/tc/story.html?s=v/nm/19990527/tc/microsoft_14.html</A</A>>
Maybe all the OS/2 users that thought there was a conspiracy behind IBM suddenly dropping support for OS/2 were not wrong. As I said before, the Linux community needs to learn from this. Although Microsoft can't stop the grass roots movement for Linux, they can make it really hard on some of the major distributors. SuSE is the safest as it has it's main strength outside of USA. I believe RedHat faces the biggest risk, as it depends mostly on USA, where Microsoft is the controlling monopoly. Hopefully the DOJ will be able to curb some of Microsoft's illegal tactics, making it a great place for Linux to continue growing. If the DOJ can't win, let's hope they drag out the trial long enough for linux to get a strong foothold to fight off any future Microsoft attacks.
joe
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This is a good point regarding IBM. I did OS/2 since the 2.1 days and went through 3.0 and 4.0 as first a beta and gamma tester for IBM and then on to using it. IBM's commitment to end users for OS/2 has always been questionable. I dont think that IBM's commitment to their established vertical market is sagging though. These are their "bread and butter" clients. They still release fixpacks for the warp family of products. I also did support through a lot of mechanisms some years ago including mailing lists, web pages, and I helped chair the first Warpstock. OS/2's longevity is not directly tied to IBM these days. People will continue to use OS/2 because its inherently superior to NT and any win 9x product. I still have a warp 3 partition here which works quite well. Their new product includes a journaling file system and is primarily a -- Michael Perry mperry@znet.com ----------------- On Sat, 5 Jun 1999, Robert Russell wrote:
Right-O! As a user of OS/2, though Linux is my first choice now I'd hate to see Linux and the end user lose, because we thought Linux was unstopable.
Bob
joe lerch wrote:
<A HREF="http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/tc/story.html?s=v/nm/19990527/tc/microsoft_14.html"><A HREF="http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/tc/story.html?s=v/nm/19990527/tc/microsoft_14.html</A">http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/tc/story.html?s=v/nm/19990527/tc/microsoft_14.html</A</A>>
Maybe all the OS/2 users that thought there was a conspiracy behind IBM suddenly dropping support for OS/2 were not wrong. As I said before, the Linux community needs to learn from this. Although Microsoft can't stop the grass roots movement for Linux, they can make it really hard on some of the major distributors. SuSE is the safest as it has it's main strength outside of USA. I believe RedHat faces the biggest risk, as it depends mostly on USA, where Microsoft is the controlling monopoly. Hopefully the DOJ will be able to curb some of Microsoft's illegal tactics, making it a great place for Linux to continue growing. If the DOJ can't win, let's hope they drag out the trial long enough for linux to get a strong foothold to fight off any future Microsoft attacks.
joe
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No arguments from me. I've never patched my 3.0. Had I had it on CDROM I may have. In any event, my experience with OS/2 3.0 at home vs. NT 4.0 at work is one is stable and one is, well, you know... Thanks, Bob Michael Perry wrote:
This is a good point regarding IBM. I did OS/2 since the 2.1 days and went through 3.0 and 4.0 as first a beta and gamma tester for IBM and then on to using it. IBM's commitment to end users for OS/2 has always been questionable. I dont think that IBM's commitment to their established vertical market is sagging though. These are their "bread and butter" clients. They still release fixpacks for the warp family of products.
I also did support through a lot of mechanisms some years ago including mailing lists, web pages, and I helped chair the first Warpstock.
OS/2's longevity is not directly tied to IBM these days. People will continue to use OS/2 because its inherently superior to NT and any win 9x product. I still have a warp 3 partition here which works quite well. Their new product includes a journaling file system and is primarily a
-- Michael Perry mperry@znet.com -----------------
On Sat, 5 Jun 1999, Robert Russell wrote:
Right-O! As a user of OS/2, though Linux is my first choice now I'd hate to see Linux and the end user lose, because we thought Linux was unstopable.
Bob
joe lerch wrote:
<A HREF="http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/tc/story.html?s=v/nm/19990527/tc/microsoft_14.html"><A HREF="http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/tc/story.html?s=v/nm/19990527/tc/microsoft_14.html</A">http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/tc/story.html?s=v/nm/19990527/tc/microsoft_14.html</A</A>>
Maybe all the OS/2 users that thought there was a conspiracy behind IBM suddenly dropping support for OS/2 were not wrong. As I said before, the Linux community needs to learn from this. Although Microsoft can't stop the grass roots movement for Linux, they can make it really hard on some of the major distributors. SuSE is the safest as it has it's main strength outside of USA. I believe RedHat faces the biggest risk, as it depends mostly on USA, where Microsoft is the controlling monopoly. Hopefully the DOJ will be able to curb some of Microsoft's illegal tactics, making it a great place for Linux to continue growing. If the DOJ can't win, let's hope they drag out the trial long enough for linux to get a strong foothold to fight off any future Microsoft attacks.
joe
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Michael Perry wrote:
This is a good point regarding IBM. I did OS/2 since the 2.1 days and went through 3.0 and 4.0 as first a beta and gamma tester for IBM and then on to using it. IBM's commitment to end users for OS/2 has always been questionable. I dont think that IBM's commitment to their established vertical market is sagging though. These are their "bread and butter" clients. They still release fixpacks for the warp family of products.
I also did support through a lot of mechanisms some years ago including mailing lists, web pages, and I helped chair the first Warpstock.
OS/2's longevity is not directly tied to IBM these days. People will continue to use OS/2 because its inherently superior to NT and any win 9x product. I still have a warp 3 partition here which works quite well. Their new product includes a journaling file system and is primarily a
Primarily a "what"? ;-) Nice set of credentials, Michael, it good to have you on this list! -- JLK Linux, because it's STABLE, the source code is included, the price is right. -- To get out of this list, please send email to majordomo@suse.com with this text in its body: unsubscribe suse-linux-e Check out the SuSE-FAQ at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A">http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/</A</A>> and the archive at <A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html"><A HREF="http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A">http://www.suse.com/Mailinglists/suse-linux-e/index.html</A</A>>
Hit the send button in pine too quick. Still used to mutt :) The new OS/2 has a lot of different stuff in it. I have not seen it running but have heard that they abandoned hpfs due to issues with Microsoft and its NTFS and for some more technical reasons. A lot of the press lately seems to open the old sores on IBM's approaches to OS/2 and its commitment to NT. Yup NT. Hard to believe that divisions within IBM would devote themselves to removing OS/2 while PSP (personal software products) would strenuously object but not gain ground. Witness that their hardware aptiva division would not even list OS/2 in the press as being supported or a choice on a select a operating system choices. -- Michael Perry mperry@znet.com ----------------- On Sat, 5 Jun 1999, Jerry Lynn Kreps wrote:
Michael Perry wrote:
This is a good point regarding IBM. I did OS/2 since the 2.1 days and went through 3.0 and 4.0 as first a beta and gamma tester for IBM and then on to using it. IBM's commitment to end users for OS/2 has always been questionable. I dont think that IBM's commitment to their established vertical market is sagging though. These are their "bread and butter" clients. They still release fixpacks for the warp family of products.
I also did support through a lot of mechanisms some years ago including mailing lists, web pages, and I helped chair the first Warpstock.
OS/2's longevity is not directly tied to IBM these days. People will continue to use OS/2 because its inherently superior to NT and any win 9x product. I still have a warp 3 partition here which works quite well. Their new product includes a journaling file system and is primarily a
Primarily a "what"? ;-)
Nice set of credentials, Michael, it good to have you on this list!
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