Kai Ponte wrote:

James Knott wrote:

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I've currently got 11.1 on two system, but I suspect I'll soon be taking them back to 11.0. Going back to a previous version is something I've never done before, but I guess there's a first time for everything.

Ugh.

Funny - 9.1 is what convinced me to go with SUSE vs. Mandrake. Mandrake couldn't see my USB printer nor automound my usb keys.

I plan to stick with 10.3 until such time as they consider it "unworkable"

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On Wed, 2008-12-24 at 11:06 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote:

James Knott wrote:

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Funny - 9.1 is what convinced me to go with SUSE vs. Mandrake. Mandrake couldn't see my USB printer nor automound my usb keys.

I plan to stick with 10.3 until such time as they consider it "unworkable"

I started with SUSE when Red Hat started Fedora or around 9.x. I've always upgraded, but this time I may pass.

I fail to see a pressing reason to "upgrade" - there's no real kernel enhancements like USB support or audio. KDE 4 isn't really much better than 3, IMO.

Actually I'm stuck with the upgrade, 10.2 had EOL, so I'm hoping that 11.1 will do it for me, so I don't have the upgrade need in 9 months, if I choose to upgrade to 10.3. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Kai Ponte wrote:

Mike McMullin wrote:

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On Wed, 2008-12-24 at 11:06 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote:

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I fail to see a pressing reason to "upgrade" - there's no real kernel enhancements like USB support or audio. KDE 4 isn't really much better than 3, IMO.

Actually I'm stuck with the upgrade, 10.2 had EOL, so I'm hoping that 11.1 will do it for me, so I don't have the upgrade need in 9 months, if I choose to upgrade to 10.3.

I'm kind of thinking I'll stick to the "dot three versions" Since I've been using SUSE/openSUSE, the .3 versions have been great. 9.3 was awesome and 10.3 is perfect.

Maybe 11.3 will be as well.

Kai, 11.0 with KDE 3.5 has seemed even better than 10.3 and still has 18 months of support left. I'm sure there are some specifics where 10.3 is better, but I'm pretty happy with 11.0. 11.1 is only a couple weeks old. I don't even try to evaluate a new version until it has been out for at least a month. It gives the developers a chance to find and fix any major issues that slipped through. So, I'm still hoping 11.1 will get better in January. If not, 11.0 is more that good enough to use until 11.2 comes out. FYI: I've been watching mdraid mailing list and there is lots of activity in that area. I suspect / hope those improvements get into 11.2 which for me will make 11.2 a significant update for servers. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer First 99 Days Litigation White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/99%20Days%20whitepaper.pdf The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Kai Ponte [12-26-08 14:03]:

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I'm kind of thinking I'll stick to the "dot three versions" Since I've been using SUSE/openSUSE, the .3 versions have been great. 9.3 was awesome and 10.3 is perfect.

Maybe 11.3 will be as well.

You do know that the version numbers have no real significance, 11.1 could just as well have been 9.9 and 11.3 would be 10.1. 11.3 does *not* indicate an 11.0 version that has been refined, adjusted, corrected, debugged, feature enhanced, feature crippled, or anything else other than a natural progression to achieve levels/limits set by the people who compile the distribution.

Yes, but did you ever use an even numbered version of windows?? 'nuff said. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Kai Ponte [12-26-08 17:12]:

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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You do know that the version numbers have no real significance, 11.1 could just as well have been 9.9 and 11.3 would be 10.1. 11.3 does *not* indicate an 11.0 version that has been refined, adjusted, corrected, debugged, feature enhanced, feature crippled, or anything else other than a natural progression to achieve levels/limits set by the people who compile the distribution.

Yes, but did you ever use an even numbered version of windows??

'nuff said.

I do not understand your comment's relevance to this thread.

LOL! I figured you wouldn't.

Your assumption that a x.3 version has significance beyond occupying a position in a progression of distributions is mislaid.

No, it's true. I'll bet you that 11.3 will be a fantastic version, just like 10.3 and 9.3 are/were.

Further more, what does *any* version of windoz have to contribute other than a good reason to use linux?

Just proving a point. Oh, and it was actually DOS versions. Dos 2, 4 and 6.0 all had issues. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

* Kai Ponte [12-26-08 17:28]:

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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I do not understand your comment's relevance to this thread.

LOL!

I figured you wouldn't.

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Your assumption that a x.3 version has significance beyond occupying a position in a progression of distributions is mislaid.

No, it's true. I'll bet you that 11.3 will be a fantastic version, just like 10.3 and 9.3 are/were.

Only coincidence and Clayton's answer is sufficient. If not, it's only your delusion.

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Further more, what does *any* version of windoz have to contribute other than a good reason to use linux?

Just proving a point. Oh, and it was actually DOS versions. Dos 2, 4 and 6.0 all had issues.

But there is no *proof* here. I certainly realize that windoz *was* only a graphical shell on top of dos and that all dos versions had issues, but all linux versions have also had issues. There is no intelligent comparison to be made between windoz and linux versions. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Jerry Houston wrote:

On Wednesday 24 December 2008 10:53:47 Kai Ponte wrote:

Just wait, though. When 12.1 is released, 11.1 will suddenly be the best distribution they ever saw!

Not likely. 11.2 or 11.3 perhaps. Lets face it, 10 was a bust until 10.2 and 10.3. Nobody I know ever ran 11.0. I would hope that KDE 4.2 final fixes enough issues so that 11.2 can be a great release, because OpenSuse needs a REALLY successful release about now. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Michael S. Dunsavage wrote:

On Wed, 2008-12-24 at 11:36 -0800, John Andersen wrote:

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Nobody I know ever ran 11.0.

I thought the majority of people on this list ran 11.0

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On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:36 PM, John Andersen wrote:

Lets face it, 10 was a bust until 10.2 and 10.3.

I thought 10.0 was a good release. 10.1 sucked, 10.2 was decent, 10.3 was mediocre and 11.0 was much better than 10.3.

Nobody I know ever ran 11.0.

Same here with 10.3 - nobody uses it. It's either 10.2 or 11.0

I would hope that KDE 4.2 final fixes enough issues so that 11.2 can be a great release, because OpenSuse needs a REALLY successful release about now.

A lot of people are saying 4.3, so who knows? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On December Wednesday 24 2008, John Andersen scratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer:

Jerry Houston wrote:

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On Wednesday 24 December 2008 10:53:47 Kai Ponte wrote:

Just wait, though. When 12.1 is released, 11.1 will suddenly be the best distribution they ever saw!

Not likely. 11.2 or 11.3 perhaps.

Lets face it, 10 was a bust until 10.2 and 10.3.

Nobody I know ever ran 11.0.

I would hope that KDE 4.2 final fixes enough issues so that 11.2 can be a great release, because OpenSuse needs a REALLY successful release about now.

Gee, John, I've been running it since the DVD arrived.( we sort of know each other as our emails no doubt have brushed pixels at some time or other) I have had zero problems. Tho I must confess, I have only tried KDE4 twice, and couldn't get anything done. So I'm still @KDE3.x That may be why I'm happy w/ it. ( 11.0) The rest of the office here is going to have it installed before New Years. I don't have the KDE learning problem ( me learning it) and I also don't use the "3-D" desktop stuff (Compiz , emerald , Beryl, and all that goes w/ them). I have often wished there were a way to have Kde4 AND Kde3 installed side by side, so I could compare them ( obviously log out of one and into the other ) . I tried it in the past and always wound up w/ both systems completely fouled. Still I haven't had any weirdness w/ 11. and have even dropped off disks of it to a friend who is in the clutches of Redmond. ( I'm betting at some point he picks it up and accidently installs it when he has to do a Windows re-install ;-D ) He's been trying to lure me into that system for years.. back to the old Warp3 days. -- j "Its like a song I can hear playing right in my ear That I cant sing I cant help listening" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2008-12-24 at 15:52 -0500, jfweber@gilweber.com wrote:

I have often wished there were a way to have Kde4 AND Kde3 installed side by side, so I could compare them ( obviously log out of one and into the other )

I have 3.5 and 4.1.x installed side by side no problems. Infact I had to use 3.5 to fix some problems that 4.0 had. -- Michael S. Dunsavage -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen wrote:

Jerry Houston wrote:

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On Wednesday 24 December 2008 10:53:47 Kai Ponte wrote:

Just wait, though. When 12.1 is released, 11.1 will suddenly be the best distribution they ever saw!

Not likely. 11.2 or 11.3 perhaps.

Lets face it, 10 was a bust until 10.2 and 10.3.

Nobody I know ever ran 11.0.

I would hope that KDE 4.2 final fixes enough issues so that 11.2 can be a great release, because OpenSuse needs a REALLY successful release about now.

Not if Novell's marketing team can help it............... Ciao. -- Be nice to people on your way up - you'll see the same people on your way down. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin wrote:

James Knott wrote:

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Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2008/12/24 07:22 (GMT-0500) James Knott composed:

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If things don't improve, 11.1 may be the one distro I skip.

9.1 was first 2.6 release, hardly a good release. 10.1 had a butchered package management system, definitely not a good release. 11.1? I'm not sure I've seen a clearly major guffaw, but there sure seems to be a lot of minors and near majors: KDE4 still isn't anywhere near as useful as KDE3. Wireless problems. Partitioner usability problems. RAID problems. Chopped off non-resizable columns in YaST2. Failure to boot. DVD access problems. Horrible Intel video performance. What did I miss?

XDMCP problems when accessing 11.1 desktop from 11.0 system. Wake on LAN broken

I've currently got 11.1 on two system, but I suspect I'll soon be taking them back to 11.0. Going back to a previous version is something I've never done before, but I guess there's a first time for everything.

Add to this:

while 11.1 recognises my Lexmark 1039 laser printer it doesn't have the driver for it; and

I cannot play DVDs because there are some codecs missing - but they are all installed AFAIC. (And of course both cdrom readers and burners are not recognised.)

I forgot to add: pulseaudio is an abomination.

Ciao.

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On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 00:14:33 +0100, Basil Chupin wrote: Hello!

I cannot play DVDs because there are some codecs missing - but they are all installed AFAIC. (And of course both cdrom readers and burners are not recognised.)

Exactly the same here. I am transfering my films on pendrive... :) I thought I am alone with this. -- Eszter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 1/8/09, JB2 wrote:

On 07 January 09, David C. Rankin wrote:

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I just did a quick review of my favorite releases. Curiously, the best fall into the .0 or .3 category. From 8.0 Pro on through 10.3 and 11.0 all the best have been .0 or .3. (Not to slight 8.2 or 10.2, both very solid performers)

Agreed. I started with 7.3 and as far as I'm concerned, it was actually the easiest and least troublesome to 'set up' once it was installed, and I've used 8.2 (IIRR), 9.3, and now on 10.3 which looks like I'll stay with until I find out otherwise that kde4 hasn't been dumbed-down, nor made less user 'adjustable' (meaning if I can't get into the guts of an app or something to 'change' what *I* want to make it work better or the way *I* want it to, it ain't worth having).

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I've been using SuSE/openSUSE since Redhat decided to release Fedora. I can say that some of the .1 releases have given me very little problems. Currently all of my Computers have 11.1 installed except for an old compaq server that I haven't been able to upgrade since 10.2 because SCSI RAID card driver issues. All of my computers are running either KDE 4.1.3 or 4.2 with no problems. The 11.x releases have been the first that I have been able to install on all of my PCs and have no problems to fix afterward. So, count me in the it depends on the hardware configuration column. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org