[opensuse] 9.1 aka 10.1 aka 11.1 aka lousy Christmas present?
On 2008/12/24 07:22 (GMT-0500) James Knott composed:
If things don't improve, 11.1 may be the one distro I skip.
9.1 was first 2.6 release, hardly a good release. 10.1 had a butchered package management system, definitely not a good release. 11.1? I'm not sure I've seen a clearly major guffaw, but there sure seems to be a lot of minors and near majors: KDE4 still isn't anywhere near as useful as KDE3. Wireless problems. Partitioner usability problems. RAID problems. Chopped off non-resizable columns in YaST2. Failure to boot. DVD access problems. Horrible Intel video performance. What did I miss? Novell should have stuck to an 8-9 month release plan and let 11.1 out Feb or March. I'm thinking my 10.2 replacement box may need to get 11.0 instead of 11.1. I need to decide soon. 11.0 could get done today instead of waiting for the retail 11.1 to arrive. -- "Unless the Lord builds the house, its builders labor in vain." Psalm 127:1 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2008/12/24 07:22 (GMT-0500) James Knott composed:
If things don't improve, 11.1 may be the one distro I skip.
9.1 was first 2.6 release, hardly a good release. 10.1 had a butchered package management system, definitely not a good release. 11.1? I'm not sure I've seen a clearly major guffaw, but there sure seems to be a lot of minors and near majors: KDE4 still isn't anywhere near as useful as KDE3. Wireless problems. Partitioner usability problems. RAID problems. Chopped off non-resizable columns in YaST2. Failure to boot. DVD access problems. Horrible Intel video performance. What did I miss?
XDMCP problems when accessing 11.1 desktop from 11.0 system. Wake on LAN broken I've currently got 11.1 on two system, but I suspect I'll soon be taking them back to 11.0. Going back to a previous version is something I've never done before, but I guess there's a first time for everything. -- Use OpenOffice.org <http://www.openoffice.org> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
I've currently got 11.1 on two system, but I suspect I'll soon be taking them back to 11.0. Going back to a previous version is something I've never done before, but I guess there's a first time for everything.
Ugh. Funny - 9.1 is what convinced me to go with SUSE vs. Mandrake. Mandrake couldn't see my USB printer nor automound my usb keys. I plan to stick with 10.3 until such time as they consider it "unworkable" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kai Ponte wrote:
James Knott wrote:
I've currently got 11.1 on two system, but I suspect I'll soon be taking them back to 11.0. Going back to a previous version is something I've never done before, but I guess there's a first time for everything.
Ugh.
Funny - 9.1 is what convinced me to go with SUSE vs. Mandrake. Mandrake couldn't see my USB printer nor automound my usb keys.
I plan to stick with 10.3 until such time as they consider it "unworkable"
I started with SUSE when Red Hat started Fedora or around 9.x. I've always upgraded, but this time I may pass. -- Use OpenOffice.org <http://www.openoffice.org> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
Funny - 9.1 is what convinced me to go with SUSE vs. Mandrake. Mandrake couldn't see my USB printer nor automound my usb keys.
I plan to stick with 10.3 until such time as they consider it "unworkable"
I started with SUSE when Red Hat started Fedora or around 9.x. I've always upgraded, but this time I may pass.
I fail to see a pressing reason to "upgrade" - there's no real kernel enhancements like USB support or audio. KDE 4 isn't really much better than 3, IMO. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2008-12-24 at 11:06 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote:
James Knott wrote:
Funny - 9.1 is what convinced me to go with SUSE vs. Mandrake. Mandrake couldn't see my USB printer nor automound my usb keys.
I plan to stick with 10.3 until such time as they consider it "unworkable"
I started with SUSE when Red Hat started Fedora or around 9.x. I've always upgraded, but this time I may pass.
I fail to see a pressing reason to "upgrade" - there's no real kernel enhancements like USB support or audio. KDE 4 isn't really much better than 3, IMO.
Actually I'm stuck with the upgrade, 10.2 had EOL, so I'm hoping that 11.1 will do it for me, so I don't have the upgrade need in 9 months, if I choose to upgrade to 10.3. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Mike McMullin wrote:
On Wed, 2008-12-24 at 11:06 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote:
I fail to see a pressing reason to "upgrade" - there's no real kernel enhancements like USB support or audio. KDE 4 isn't really much better than 3, IMO.
Actually I'm stuck with the upgrade, 10.2 had EOL, so I'm hoping that 11.1 will do it for me, so I don't have the upgrade need in 9 months, if I choose to upgrade to 10.3.
I'm kind of thinking I'll stick to the "dot three versions" Since I've been using SUSE/openSUSE, the .3 versions have been great. 9.3 was awesome and 10.3 is perfect. Maybe 11.3 will be as well. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Kai Ponte <kai@perfectreign.com> wrote:
Mike McMullin wrote:
On Wed, 2008-12-24 at 11:06 -0800, Kai Ponte wrote:
I fail to see a pressing reason to "upgrade" - there's no real kernel enhancements like USB support or audio. KDE 4 isn't really much better than 3, IMO.
Actually I'm stuck with the upgrade, 10.2 had EOL, so I'm hoping that 11.1 will do it for me, so I don't have the upgrade need in 9 months, if I choose to upgrade to 10.3.
I'm kind of thinking I'll stick to the "dot three versions" Since I've been using SUSE/openSUSE, the .3 versions have been great. 9.3 was awesome and 10.3 is perfect.
Maybe 11.3 will be as well.
Kai, 11.0 with KDE 3.5 has seemed even better than 10.3 and still has 18 months of support left. I'm sure there are some specifics where 10.3 is better, but I'm pretty happy with 11.0. 11.1 is only a couple weeks old. I don't even try to evaluate a new version until it has been out for at least a month. It gives the developers a chance to find and fix any major issues that slipped through. So, I'm still hoping 11.1 will get better in January. If not, 11.0 is more that good enough to use until 11.2 comes out. FYI: I've been watching mdraid mailing list and there is lots of activity in that area. I suspect / hope those improvements get into 11.2 which for me will make 11.2 a significant update for servers. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer First 99 Days Litigation White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/99%20Days%20whitepaper.pdf The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Kai Ponte <kai@perfectreign.com> [12-26-08 14:03]:
I'm kind of thinking I'll stick to the "dot three versions" Since I've been using SUSE/openSUSE, the .3 versions have been great. 9.3 was awesome and 10.3 is perfect.
Maybe 11.3 will be as well.
You do know that the version numbers have no real significance, 11.1 could just as well have been 9.9 and 11.3 would be 10.1. 11.3 does *not* indicate an 11.0 version that has been refined, adjusted, corrected, debugged, feature enhanced, feature crippled, or anything else other than a natural progression to achieve levels/limits set by the people who compile the distribution. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Kai Ponte <kai@perfectreign.com> [12-26-08 14:03]:
I'm kind of thinking I'll stick to the "dot three versions" Since I've been using SUSE/openSUSE, the .3 versions have been great. 9.3 was awesome and 10.3 is perfect.
Maybe 11.3 will be as well.
You do know that the version numbers have no real significance, 11.1 could just as well have been 9.9 and 11.3 would be 10.1. 11.3 does *not* indicate an 11.0 version that has been refined, adjusted, corrected, debugged, feature enhanced, feature crippled, or anything else other than a natural progression to achieve levels/limits set by the people who compile the distribution.
Yes, but did you ever use an even numbered version of windows?? 'nuff said. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Kai Ponte <kai@perfectreign.com> [12-26-08 17:12]:
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
You do know that the version numbers have no real significance, 11.1 could just as well have been 9.9 and 11.3 would be 10.1. 11.3 does *not* indicate an 11.0 version that has been refined, adjusted, corrected, debugged, feature enhanced, feature crippled, or anything else other than a natural progression to achieve levels/limits set by the people who compile the distribution.
Yes, but did you ever use an even numbered version of windows??
'nuff said.
I do not understand your comment's relevance to this thread. Your assumption that a x.3 version has significance beyond occupying a position in a progression of distributions is mislaid. Further more, what does *any* version of windoz have to contribute other than a good reason to use linux? -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Kai Ponte <kai@perfectreign.com> [12-26-08 17:12]:
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
You do know that the version numbers have no real significance, 11.1 could just as well have been 9.9 and 11.3 would be 10.1. 11.3 does *not* indicate an 11.0 version that has been refined, adjusted, corrected, debugged, feature enhanced, feature crippled, or anything else other than a natural progression to achieve levels/limits set by the people who compile the distribution.
Yes, but did you ever use an even numbered version of windows??
'nuff said.
I do not understand your comment's relevance to this thread.
LOL! I figured you wouldn't.
Your assumption that a x.3 version has significance beyond occupying a position in a progression of distributions is mislaid.
No, it's true. I'll bet you that 11.3 will be a fantastic version, just like 10.3 and 9.3 are/were.
Further more, what does *any* version of windoz have to contribute other than a good reason to use linux?
Just proving a point. Oh, and it was actually DOS versions. Dos 2, 4 and 6.0 all had issues. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
No, it's true. I'll bet you that 11.3 will be a fantastic version, just like 10.3 and 9.3 are/were.
I would agree on 9.3 being a great release, but 10.3 was a dismal failure for me. I couldn't even get the DVD to boot the kernel without it going into full panic. The only was I could get it to boot was to use a special mini iso with a custom kernel provided by the kernel dev team. Part way through the boot I had to swap DVDs back to the standard 10.3. The install would complete, but only just barely, and then the whole 10.3 experience after an install was a flop. 10.2 was light years better... for me. 10.3 was the release I had to roll back to a previous release on. My point being that Patrick is much more correct here... the x.3 thing is all perception and nothing more. For some people 11.1 is a great release (like me for example) and for others it's their equivalent of my 10.3. What works perfect for one doesn't mean it will for another (hardware difs, install requirement difs etc). C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Kai Ponte <kai@perfectreign.com> [12-26-08 17:28]:
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
I do not understand your comment's relevance to this thread.
LOL!
I figured you wouldn't.
Your assumption that a x.3 version has significance beyond occupying a position in a progression of distributions is mislaid.
No, it's true. I'll bet you that 11.3 will be a fantastic version, just like 10.3 and 9.3 are/were.
Only coincidence and Clayton's answer is sufficient. If not, it's only your delusion.
Further more, what does *any* version of windoz have to contribute other than a good reason to use linux?
Just proving a point. Oh, and it was actually DOS versions. Dos 2, 4 and 6.0 all had issues.
But there is no *proof* here. I certainly realize that windoz *was* only a graphical shell on top of dos and that all dos versions had issues, but all linux versions have also had issues. There is no intelligent comparison to be made between windoz and linux versions. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 24 December 2008 10:53:47 Kai Ponte wrote:
I plan to stick with 10.3 until such time as they consider it "unworkable"
Depending on who "they" are, that could be a long time! Some folks can always find something to complain about. Just wait, though. When 12.1 is released, 11.1 will suddenly be the best distribution they ever saw! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jerry Houston wrote:
On Wednesday 24 December 2008 10:53:47 Kai Ponte wrote:
Just wait, though. When 12.1 is released, 11.1 will suddenly be the best distribution they ever saw!
Not likely. 11.2 or 11.3 perhaps. Lets face it, 10 was a bust until 10.2 and 10.3. Nobody I know ever ran 11.0. I would hope that KDE 4.2 final fixes enough issues so that 11.2 can be a great release, because OpenSuse needs a REALLY successful release about now. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Michael S. Dunsavage wrote:
On Wed, 2008-12-24 at 11:36 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
Nobody I know ever ran 11.0.
I thought the majority of people on this list ran 11.0
I've got it on all my computers. -- Use OpenOffice.org <http://www.openoffice.org> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
Michael S. Dunsavage wrote:
On Wed, 2008-12-24 at 11:36 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
Nobody I know ever ran 11.0.
I thought the majority of people on this list ran 11.0
I've got it on all my computers.
Correction: Except the two I updated to 11.1. -- Use OpenOffice.org <http://www.openoffice.org> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:36 PM, John Andersen <jsamyth@gmail.com> wrote:
Lets face it, 10 was a bust until 10.2 and 10.3.
I thought 10.0 was a good release. 10.1 sucked, 10.2 was decent, 10.3 was mediocre and 11.0 was much better than 10.3.
Nobody I know ever ran 11.0.
Same here with 10.3 - nobody uses it. It's either 10.2 or 11.0
I would hope that KDE 4.2 final fixes enough issues so that 11.2 can be a great release, because OpenSuse needs a REALLY successful release about now.
A lot of people are saying 4.3, so who knows? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008, Larry Stotler wrote:-
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:36 PM, John Andersen <jsamyth@gmail.com> wrote:
Lets face it, 10 was a bust until 10.2 and 10.3.
I thought 10.0 was a good release. 10.1 sucked, 10.2 was decent, 10.3 was mediocre and 11.0 was much better than 10.3.
Not quite the same as me. I thought 10.0 was okay. Apart from the lousy package management of 10.1, that was also okay. 10.2 was an improvement on 10.1, especially in the area of package management. 10.3 was an improvement over 10.2. 11.0, for the most part, as also an improvement over 10.3, but does have some issues that can be annoying.
Nobody I know ever ran 11.0.
Same here with 10.3 - nobody uses it. It's either 10.2 or 11.0
I do. I started with the initial alpha testing it all the way through to the GM, and have continued to use it to run my web server. As for what other versions I'm running, see .sig. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: http://www.distributed.net/ OGR-NG @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~1Mkeys/s | openSUSE 10.3 32b | openSUSE 11.0 32b | openSUSE 10.2 64b | openSUSE 10.3 64b | openSUSE 11.0 64b | TOS 4.02 | openSUSE 10.3 PPC | RISC OS 3.6 | RISC OS 3.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On December Wednesday 24 2008, John Andersen scratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer:
Jerry Houston wrote:
On Wednesday 24 December 2008 10:53:47 Kai Ponte wrote:
Just wait, though. When 12.1 is released, 11.1 will suddenly be the best distribution they ever saw!
Not likely. 11.2 or 11.3 perhaps.
Lets face it, 10 was a bust until 10.2 and 10.3.
Nobody I know ever ran 11.0.
I would hope that KDE 4.2 final fixes enough issues so that 11.2 can be a great release, because OpenSuse needs a REALLY successful release about now.
Gee, John, I've been running it since the DVD arrived.( we sort of know each other as our emails no doubt have brushed pixels at some time or other) I have had zero problems. Tho I must confess, I have only tried KDE4 twice, and couldn't get anything done. So I'm still @KDE3.x That may be why I'm happy w/ it. ( 11.0) The rest of the office here is going to have it installed before New Years. I don't have the KDE learning problem ( me learning it) and I also don't use the "3-D" desktop stuff (Compiz , emerald , Beryl, and all that goes w/ them). I have often wished there were a way to have Kde4 AND Kde3 installed side by side, so I could compare them ( obviously log out of one and into the other ) . I tried it in the past and always wound up w/ both systems completely fouled. Still I haven't had any weirdness w/ 11. and have even dropped off disks of it to a friend who is in the clutches of Redmond. ( I'm betting at some point he picks it up and accidently installs it when he has to do a Windows re-install ;-D ) He's been trying to lure me into that system for years.. back to the old Warp3 days. -- j "Its like a song I can hear playing right in my ear That I cant sing I cant help listening" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
2008/12/24 <jfweber@gilweber.com>:
On December Wednesday 24 2008, John Andersen scratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer:
Jerry Houston wrote:
On Wednesday 24 December 2008 10:53:47 Kai Ponte wrote:
I have often wished there were a way to have Kde4 AND Kde3 installed side by side, so I could compare them ( obviously log out of one and into the other ) . I tried it in the past and always wound up w/ both systems completely fouled.
OpenSUSE 11.0 and 11.1 both let you run KDE 3 and KDE 4, they altered the KDE 4 configuration specially so they could coexist for the same user, without messing settings, or KDE 4 force upgrading the user, so they can't go back to older application versions. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2008-12-24 at 15:52 -0500, jfweber@gilweber.com wrote:
I have often wished there were a way to have Kde4 AND Kde3 installed side by side, so I could compare them ( obviously log out of one and into the other )
I have 3.5 and 4.1.x installed side by side no problems. Infact I had to use 3.5 to fix some problems that 4.0 had. -- Michael S. Dunsavage -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 11:36:19AM -0800, John Andersen wrote:
Jerry Houston wrote:
On Wednesday 24 December 2008 10:53:47 Kai Ponte wrote:
Just wait, though. When 12.1 is released, 11.1 will suddenly be the best distribution they ever saw!
Not likely. 11.2 or 11.3 perhaps.
Lets face it, 10 was a bust until 10.2 and 10.3.
Nobody I know ever ran 11.0.
11.0 works wonderful, except that you might want to not use KDE 4 on it. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John Andersen wrote:
Jerry Houston wrote:
On Wednesday 24 December 2008 10:53:47 Kai Ponte wrote:
Just wait, though. When 12.1 is released, 11.1 will suddenly be the best distribution they ever saw!
Not likely. 11.2 or 11.3 perhaps.
Lets face it, 10 was a bust until 10.2 and 10.3.
Nobody I know ever ran 11.0.
I would hope that KDE 4.2 final fixes enough issues so that 11.2 can be a great release, because OpenSuse needs a REALLY successful release about now.
Not if Novell's marketing team can help it............... Ciao. -- Be nice to people on your way up - you'll see the same people on your way down. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2008/12/24 07:22 (GMT-0500) James Knott composed:
If things don't improve, 11.1 may be the one distro I skip.
9.1 was first 2.6 release, hardly a good release. 10.1 had a butchered package management system, definitely not a good release. 11.1? I'm not sure I've seen a clearly major guffaw, but there sure seems to be a lot of minors and near majors: KDE4 still isn't anywhere near as useful as KDE3. Wireless problems. Partitioner usability problems. RAID problems. Chopped off non-resizable columns in YaST2. Failure to boot. DVD access problems. Horrible Intel video performance. What did I miss?
XDMCP problems when accessing 11.1 desktop from 11.0 system. Wake on LAN broken
I've currently got 11.1 on two system, but I suspect I'll soon be taking them back to 11.0. Going back to a previous version is something I've never done before, but I guess there's a first time for everything.
Add to this: while 11.1 recognises my Lexmark 1039 laser printer it doesn't have the driver for it; and I cannot play DVDs because there are some codecs missing - but they are all installed AFAIC. (And of course both cdrom readers and burners are not recognised.) Ciao. -- Be nice to people on your way up - you'll see the same people on your way down. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
James Knott wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2008/12/24 07:22 (GMT-0500) James Knott composed:
If things don't improve, 11.1 may be the one distro I skip.
9.1 was first 2.6 release, hardly a good release. 10.1 had a butchered package management system, definitely not a good release. 11.1? I'm not sure I've seen a clearly major guffaw, but there sure seems to be a lot of minors and near majors: KDE4 still isn't anywhere near as useful as KDE3. Wireless problems. Partitioner usability problems. RAID problems. Chopped off non-resizable columns in YaST2. Failure to boot. DVD access problems. Horrible Intel video performance. What did I miss?
XDMCP problems when accessing 11.1 desktop from 11.0 system. Wake on LAN broken
I've currently got 11.1 on two system, but I suspect I'll soon be taking them back to 11.0. Going back to a previous version is something I've never done before, but I guess there's a first time for everything.
Add to this:
while 11.1 recognises my Lexmark 1039 laser printer it doesn't have the driver for it; and
I cannot play DVDs because there are some codecs missing - but they are all installed AFAIC. (And of course both cdrom readers and burners are not recognised.)
I forgot to add: pulseaudio is an abomination.
Ciao.
-- Be nice to people on your way up - you'll see the same people on your way down. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 24 December 2008, Basil Chupin wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
James Knott wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2008/12/24 07:22 (GMT-0500) James Knott composed:
If things don't improve, 11.1 may be the one distro I skip.
9.1 was first 2.6 release, hardly a good release. 10.1 had a butchered package management system, definitely not a good release. 11.1? I'm not sure I've seen a clearly major guffaw, but there sure seems to be a lot of minors and near majors: KDE4 still isn't anywhere near as useful as KDE3. Wireless problems. Partitioner usability problems. RAID problems. Chopped off non-resizable columns in YaST2. Failure to boot. DVD access problems. Horrible Intel video performance. What did I miss?
XDMCP problems when accessing 11.1 desktop from 11.0 system. Wake on LAN broken
I've currently got 11.1 on two system, but I suspect I'll soon be taking them back to 11.0. Going back to a previous version is something I've never done before, but I guess there's a first time for everything.
Add to this:
while 11.1 recognises my Lexmark 1039 laser printer it doesn't have the driver for it; and
I cannot play DVDs because there are some codecs missing - but they are all installed AFAIC. (And of course both cdrom readers and burners are not recognised.)
I forgot to add: pulseaudio is an abomination.
Ciao.
-- Be nice to people on your way up - you'll see the same people on your way down.
And you cant dial using an Huawei E220 modem which works on 11 and 10.3 .. not tried the 11.1 betas but thats a reinstall . -- SuSE Linux 10.3-Alpha3. (Linux is like a wigwam - no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 00:14:33 +0100, Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote: Hello!
I cannot play DVDs because there are some codecs missing - but they are all installed AFAIC. (And of course both cdrom readers and burners are not recognised.)
Exactly the same here. I am transfering my films on pendrive... :) I thought I am alone with this. -- Eszter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
James Knott wrote:
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2008/12/24 07:22 (GMT-0500) James Knott composed:
If things don't improve, 11.1 may be the one distro I skip.
9.1 was first 2.6 release, hardly a good release. 10.1 had a butchered package management system, definitely not a good release. 11.1? I'm not sure I've seen a clearly major guffaw, but there sure seems to be a lot of minors and near majors: KDE4 still isn't anywhere near as useful as KDE3. Wireless problems. Partitioner usability problems. RAID problems. Chopped off non-resizable columns in YaST2. Failure to boot. DVD access problems. Horrible Intel video performance. What did I miss?
XDMCP problems when accessing 11.1 desktop from 11.0 system. Wake on LAN broken
I've currently got 11.1 on two system, but I suspect I'll soon be taking them back to 11.0. Going back to a previous version is something I've never done before, but I guess there's a first time for everything.
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Felix Miata wrote:
On 2008/12/24 07:22 (GMT-0500) James Knott composed:
If things don't improve, 11.1 may be the one distro I skip.
9.1 was first 2.6 release, hardly a good release. 10.1 had a butchered package management system, definitely not a good release. 11.1? I'm not sure I've seen a clearly major guffaw, but there sure seems to be a lot of minors and near majors: KDE4 still isn't anywhere near as useful as KDE3. Wireless problems. Partitioner usability problems. RAID problems. Chopped off non-resizable columns in YaST2. Failure to boot. DVD access problems. Horrible Intel video performance. What did I miss?
Novell should have stuck to an 8-9 month release plan and let 11.1 out Feb or March. I'm thinking my 10.2 replacement box may need to get 11.0 instead of 11.1. I need to decide soon. 11.0 could get done today instead of waiting for the retail 11.1 to arrive.
I just did a quick review of my favorite releases. Curiously, the best fall into the .0 or .3 category. From 8.0 Pro on through 10.3 and 11.0 all the best have been .0 or .3. (Not to slight 8.2 or 10.2, both very solid performers) You would think that the .0 releases would be less favorite given all the excuses prior to 11.1 with "there are a lot of new things in a .0 release", "don't expect too much" blather, blather.. But just looking back at the past two 10.0 and 11.0, both were fabulous. History isn't too kind to the .1 releases. So much so that I never loaded 10.1. From my experience thus far, it would appear we, as always, fail to learn from our mistakes which makes history bound to repeat itself over, and over again. Better hope Santa brought you a lump of coal instead. It will warm you for a while with much less stress and headache... Although 11.1 did allow me to reach a new milestone. I passed the 50 bug report filed mark and I'm presently at 55 and counting. So 11.1 did have a contribution to make ;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 07 January 09, David C. Rankin wrote: <snip>
I just did a quick review of my favorite releases. Curiously, the best fall into the .0 or .3 category. From 8.0 Pro on through 10.3 and 11.0 all the best have been .0 or .3. (Not to slight 8.2 or 10.2, both very solid performers)
Agreed. I started with 7.3 and as far as I'm concerned, it was actually the easiest and least troublesome to 'set up' once it was installed, and I've used 8.2 (IIRR), 9.3, and now on 10.3 which looks like I'll stay with until I find out otherwise that kde4 hasn't been dumbed-down, nor made less user 'adjustable' (meaning if I can't get into the guts of an app or something to 'change' what *I* want to make it work better or the way *I* want it to, it ain't worth having). -- "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Benjamin Franklin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 1/8/09, JB2 <yonaton@localnet.com> wrote:
On 07 January 09, David C. Rankin wrote:
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I just did a quick review of my favorite releases. Curiously, the best fall into the .0 or .3 category. From 8.0 Pro on through 10.3 and 11.0 all the best have been .0 or .3. (Not to slight 8.2 or 10.2, both very solid performers)
Agreed. I started with 7.3 and as far as I'm concerned, it was actually the easiest and least troublesome to 'set up' once it was installed, and I've used 8.2 (IIRR), 9.3, and now on 10.3 which looks like I'll stay with until I find out otherwise that kde4 hasn't been dumbed-down, nor made less user 'adjustable' (meaning if I can't get into the guts of an app or something to 'change' what *I* want to make it work better or the way *I* want it to, it ain't worth having).
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I've been using SuSE/openSUSE since Redhat decided to release Fedora. I can say that some of the .1 releases have given me very little problems. Currently all of my Computers have 11.1 installed except for an old compaq server that I haven't been able to upgrade since 10.2 because SCSI RAID card driver issues. All of my computers are running either KDE 4.1.3 or 4.2 with no problems. The 11.x releases have been the first that I have been able to install on all of my PCs and have no problems to fix afterward. So, count me in the it depends on the hardware configuration column. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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