On Saturday 15 November 2008 11:57:57 Dave Plater wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Saturday, 2008-11-15 at 06:26 -0500, Stephen Winners wrote:

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Nearly half of my email from this list recently has been from Unknown Sender and (no subject).

I don't see any like that.

-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.

Me neither, maybe its your email client, what are you using? Regards Dave P

I am getting them too. My email client is Kmail. -- Clive. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/c.rogers/ Fighting for darker skies. From 52:26ºN 01:27ºW (Coventry, UK) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

G T Smith wrote:

Clive Rogers wrote:

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On Saturday 15 November 2008 11:57:57 Dave Plater wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Saturday, 2008-11-15 at 06:26 -0500, Stephen Winners wrote:

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Nearly half of my email from this list recently has been from Unknown Sender and (no subject). I don't see any like that.

-- Cheers, Carlos E. R. Me neither, maybe its your email client, what are you using? Regards Dave P I am getting them too. My email client is Kmail.

Intriguing, I have not seen any of these yet either (could this be a matter of location rather than client?). I currently use TBird... but I am European (UK) based... I think Carlos is in Spain, Dave is in UK as well...

Could this be (yet another) American gremlin (spook) ?

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On Saturday 15 November 2008 15:16:43 Anton Aylward wrote:

I have my procmail filter out messages that have no subject line and also messages that have no sender since these are characteristic of a lot of spam. Each go into a separate folder away from regular mail I check that at least once a week. Nothing suse-like has shown up in either of them.

The mailing list itself will add [opensuse] to the subject, so if there was absolutely nothing in the subject line, it cannot possibly have come through the list Unless there is a bug in the list management software, in which case all headers should be sent to the mailing list admin for investigation. There is a bug in nfs though, which can sometimes cause kmail to be unable to read the email at all, in which case it will display the email as no sender, no subject, no date and (of course) no contents. Remounting the nfs folder will "fix" it (until the next time it happens). If this is what is happening here, I would love to know about it, since I have a bug report open about it, and the more info we can get the faster it can get solved. Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

The thread is at http://lists.kde.org/?t=122677173500001&r=1&w=2 They seen to be puzzled too. Tom. On 11/17/08, Mads Martin Joergensen wrote:

* Anders Johansson [Nov 15. 2008 15:37]:

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Unless there is a bug in the list management software, in which case all headers should be sent to the mailing list admin for investigation.

Haven't you heard? The mailing list software is the only piece of bug free software. Ever! ;)

No--seriously; if someone finds a bug there, I'd love to be in the loop when it gets reported.

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On Saturday 15 November 2008 07:05:12 am G T Smith wrote:

Clive Rogers wrote:

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On Saturday 15 November 2008 11:57:57 Dave Plater wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Saturday, 2008-11-15 at 06:26 -0500, Stephen Winners wrote:

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Nearly half of my email from this list recently has been from Unknown Sender and (no subject).

I don't see any like that.

-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.

Me neither, maybe its your email client, what are you using? Regards Dave P

I am getting them too. My email client is Kmail.

Intriguing, I have not seen any of these yet either (could this be a matter of location rather than client?). I currently use TBird... but I am European (UK) based... I think Carlos is in Spain, Dave is in UK as well...

Could this be (yet another) American gremlin (spook) ?

Well......I am about 50 miles north of Sarasota Fl. in New Port Richey. and I don't get any of that. Bob S. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 15 November 2008 05:53:03 am Clive Rogers wrote:

On Saturday 15 November 2008 11:57:57 Dave Plater wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Saturday, 2008-11-15 at 06:26 -0500, Stephen Winners wrote:

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Nearly half of my email from this list recently has been from Unknown Sender and (no subject).

I don't see any like that. Carlos E. R.

Me neither, maybe its your email client, what are you using? Dave P

He is using Gmail.

I am getting them too. My email client is Kmail.

Check headers. In KMail press 'v' to see full message. It can be spam with fake "To:" field. If you are not sure mail complain to: List-Owner: mailto:opensuse+owner@opensuse.org He needs whole message as you can see it in KMail with 'v' so he can decipher what is going on. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2008-11-15 at 11:53 -0000, Clive Rogers wrote:

I am getting them too. My email client is Kmail.

Perhaps you could forward one to us, complete with all headers, so that we can study it. Private mail is ok if you prefer. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkexwoACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UQSwCfZMsiyiRfE/Fg41H4O0pstNss ciQAnRv4bX5kz64Hx8elQXPi9Yyf2AD5 =mbGU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

ISP= Verizon FiOS Mail= gmail (most comes via forwarding from Yahoo) opensuse comes direct It is happening on all my machines and mail clients, some are worse than others: LinuxBox: Kmail has the fewest T-Bird and Opera will connect (they did until this started happening) Firefox browser, the same "Unknown sender (no subject) Windows box: T-Bird and Opera will connect (they did until this started happening) Firefox browser, the same "Unknown sender (no subject) Some from OpenSuse come thru fine (like this thread) others do not... IT is hit and miss Stephen Winners Sarasota, FL USA On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:19 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:

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Nearly half of my email from this list recently has been from Unknown Sender and (no subject). Is it relevant to me? I have no idea without opening it. Wastes a lot of time, so I don't anymore. I for one object and would like to know if the maintainer of this list can do anything about it.

winstephen Sarasota FL USA

All my mail is coming in fine ... Do you have some type of spam application running that could be re-writing your incoming mail headers?? Could your ISP be doing it?

Just thoughts, but the list appears to be working the same as always.

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ISP= Verizon FiOS Mail= gmail (most comes via forwarding from Yahoo) opensuse comes direct

¡AH! The yahoo forwarder is your problem. In the sample you sent to the list, I saw this: ]> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- ]> From: <===================== ] Date: Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:17 AM ] Subject: ] To: ] Cc: list not shown <recipient> ... ] Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 09:16:43 -0500 ] From: Anton Aylward ] Subject: Re: [opensuse] Enuff of the Unknown Sender and no (subject) Don't forward mail, fetch it direct. It should work better. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkgQusACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XHagCfUJ9XDxc4VIi4mi3VoaEmK50Q I/8An1VVpC90kAqhRRqUbVZkiNe5bxnP =5X0K -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Clive Rogers wrote:

On Sunday 16 November 2008 15:57:30 Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Sunday, 2008-11-16 at 07:04 -0500, Stephen Winners wrote:

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ISP= Verizon FiOS Mail= gmail (most comes via forwarding from Yahoo) opensuse comes direct

¡AH! The yahoo forwarder is your problem.

In the sample you sent to the list, I saw this:

]> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- ]> From: <===================== ] Date: Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:17 AM ] Subject: ] To: ] Cc: list not shown <recipient>

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] Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 09:16:43 -0500 ] From: Anton Aylward

] Cc: SUSE Linux ] Subject: Re: [opensuse] Enuff of the Unknown Sender and no (subject)

Don't forward mail, fetch it direct. It should work better.

I don't think this is the case because I use KMail running under 10.3 and I fetch my mail directly.

Unfortunately I did not keep any of the mails so can not show you.

-- Clive.

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This doesn't appear to be an isolated case. Someone on the kdepim-users mailing list was complaining of the same problem on November 15. Tom.