On Tue October 16 2007 11:15:41 am Stan Goodman wrote:

I did from "/" as root, and turned up nothing recognizable.

Try 'locate <string>' as normal user, e.g. in this case 'mplayer': carl@linux:~> locate mplayer <... snipped lines 1 thru 35>: /usr/share/doc/packages/MPlayer/DOCS/man/cs/mplayer.1 /usr/share/doc/packages/MPlayer/DOCS/man/de/mplayer.1 /usr/share/doc/packages/MPlayer/DOCS/man/en/mplayer.1 /usr/share/doc/packages/MPlayer/DOCS/man/es/mplayer.1 /usr/share/doc/packages/MPlayer/DOCS/man/fr/mplayer.1 /usr/share/doc/packages/MPlayer/DOCS/man/hu/mplayer.1 /usr/share/doc/packages/MPlayer/DOCS/man/it/mplayer.1 /usr/share/doc/packages/MPlayer/DOCS/man/pl/mplayer.1 /usr/share/doc/packages/MPlayer/DOCS/man/ru/mplayer.1 /usr/share/doc/packages/MPlayer/DOCS/man/zh/mplayer.1 And "DOCS" seems to 'shout' at you ;-) hth & regards, Carl p.s.: you'll want to run 'updatedb' to index newly created/added files or they won't be 'located' until the next automatic indexing has taken place. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tue October 16 2007 12:26:54 pm Richard Creighton wrote:

A caveat;  This doesn't appear to be a part of a standard installation

Ah, yes... 'findutils' packages... On my 10.2 system:

carl@linux:~> rpm -qa | grep findutils findutils-locate-4.2.28-24 findutils-4.2.28-24

Thanks for catching that! Carl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

** Reply to message from Richard Creighton on Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:26:54 -0400

Carl Hartung wrote:

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On Tue October 16 2007 11:15:41 am Stan Goodman wrote:

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I did from "/" as root, and turned up nothing recognizable.

Try 'locate <string>' as normal user, e.g. in this case 'mplayer':

carl@linux:~> locate mplayer <... snipped lines 1 thru 35>: /usr/share/doc/packages/MPlayer/DOCS/man/cs/mplayer.1 /usr/share/doc/packages/MPlayer/DOCS/man/de/mplayer.1 /usr/share/doc/packages/MPlayer/DOCS/man/en/mplayer.

A caveat; This doesn't appear to be a part of a standard installation so you may have to install it before it will work. Also, initially the locate database will be empty so it will return nothing to your query so if you do install it, be sure and manually run 'updatedb' from a command line to fill the database initially. There seems to be a KDE interface you can install also to allow typing 'locate:whatever' on your konqueror URL line. That would seem to be useful addition. I didn't see one for Gnome but it may be there or compatible.

Richard

Interesting. I ran <updatedb>, and was rewarded by one of those bouncing mini-icons, so I understood it was probably updating. Then I ran <locate mplayer>, and was presented with an email that I wrote on 16 July of this year. There must be more to it than that. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

** Reply to message from Carl Hartung on Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:45:29 -0400

On Tue October 16 2007 11:15:41 am Stan Goodman wrote:

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I did from "/" as root, and turned up nothing recognizable.

Try 'locate <string>' as normal user, e.g. in this case 'mplayer':

carl@linux:~> locate mplayer <... snipped lines 1 thru 35>: /usr/share/doc/packages/MPlayer/DOCS/man/cs/mplayer.1 /usr/share/doc/packages/MPlayer/DOCS/man/de/mplayer.1 /usr/share/doc/packages/MPlayer/DOCS/man/en/mplayer.1 /usr/share/doc/packages/MPlayer/DOCS/man/es/mplayer.1 /usr/share/doc/packages/MPlayer/DOCS/man/fr/mplayer.1 /usr/share/doc/packages/MPlayer/DOCS/man/hu/mplayer.1 /usr/share/doc/packages/MPlayer/DOCS/man/it/mplayer.1 /usr/share/doc/packages/MPlayer/DOCS/man/pl/mplayer.1 /usr/share/doc/packages/MPlayer/DOCS/man/ru/mplayer.1 /usr/share/doc/packages/MPlayer/DOCS/man/zh/mplayer.1

And "DOCS" seems to 'shout' at you ;-)

Not a good example. You found the man pages, which I found too. I wanted the HTML files (which I have now). The man files are not good for learning a program; they are great as a reference manual for key strokes, command options, and the like. As I wrote in another message, I must not be handling "locate" correctly. <locate mplayer>got me only an oldish outgoing email message. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel If it weren't for C, programs would be written in BASI, PASAL and OBOL. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

** Reply to message from Carl Hartung on Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:32:10 -0400

On Tue October 16 2007 01:19:10 pm Stan Goodman wrote: <snip>

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/usr/share/doc/packages/MPlayer/DOCS/man/zh/mplayer.1

And "DOCS" seems to 'shout' at you ;-)

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Not a good example. You found the man pages, which I found too.

Interesting perspective. I presume you navigated directly to 'man/' and didn't bother to explore 'DOCS/'? Is that what you did? tsk tsk! ;-)

I'm not sure what you are saying. What I did first was to do <man mplayer> from a terminal. Then I wanted to find more readable documentation, and you know the rest. Why "tsk tsk"? -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel There was once a young man who, in his youth, professed his desire to become one of the world's great writers. When asked to define "great" he said, "I want to write stuff that the whole world will read, stuff that people will react to on a truly emotional level, stuff that will make them scream, cry, howl in pain and anger!" He now works for Microsoft, writing error messages. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 16 October 2007, Carl Hartung wrote:

On Tue October 16 2007 01:56:03 pm Stan Goodman wrote:

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Not a good example. You found the man pages, which I found too.

Interesting perspective. I presume you navigated directly to 'man/' and didn't bother to explore 'DOCS/'? Is that what you did? tsk tsk! ;-)

I'm not sure what you are saying. What I did first was to do <man mplayer> from a terminal. Then I wanted to find more readable documentation, and you know the rest. Why "tsk tsk"?

Sorry, I assumed you'd used Konqueror to go exploring that region of your filesystem. You claimed mine wasn't a "good example" when, in fact, it revealed a 'shouting' "DOCS/" directory just begging to be drilled into. ;-)

regards,

Carl

P.S. Please 'reply to' the list only. I'm already receiving your posts and don't need second copies. Thx!

======= Carl, You bring up a good thought, but not using Konq as a file manager. In the URL box, you can type "man:mplayer" to pull up the html manual for MPlayer easily. Also for many of the KDE programs, you can use "help:/<program name>" to pull stuff. Very helpful and easily bookmarked for later retrieval. I have a separate bookmark heading to store these in. regards, Lee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

BandiPat wrote:

On Tuesday 16 October 2007, Carl Hartung wrote:

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On Tue October 16 2007 01:56:03 pm Stan Goodman wrote:

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Not a good example. You found the man pages, which I found too. Interesting perspective. I presume you navigated directly to 'man/' and didn't bother to explore 'DOCS/'? Is that what you did? tsk tsk! ;-) I'm not sure what you are saying. What I did first was to do <man mplayer> from a terminal. Then I wanted to find more readable documentation, and you know the rest. Why "tsk tsk"? Sorry, I assumed you'd used Konqueror to go exploring that region of your filesystem. You claimed mine wasn't a "good example" when, in fact, it revealed a 'shouting' "DOCS/" directory just begging to be drilled into. ;-)

regards,

Carl

P.S. Please 'reply to' the list only. I'm already receiving your posts and don't need second copies. Thx!

======= Carl, You bring up a good thought, but not using Konq as a file manager. In the URL box, you can type "man:mplayer" to pull up the html manual for MPlayer easily. Also for many of the KDE programs, you can use "help:/<program name>" to pull stuff. Very helpful and easily bookmarked for later retrieval. I have a separate bookmark heading to store these in.

'#' is a shortcut for man# and ## is a shortcut for info:, as I documented here in a short list of Konq shortcuts: http://linuxbraindump.org/2007/08/31/konqueror-kwickies -- Jonathan Arnold (mailto:jdarnold@buddydog.org) Linux Brain Dump - Linux Notes, HOWTOs and Tutorials: http://www.linuxbraindump.org Daemon Dancing in the Dark, an Open OS weblog: http://freebsd.amazingdev.com/blog/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

BandiPat wrote:

On Wednesday 17 October 2007, Jonathan Arnold wrote:

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'#' is a shortcut for man# and ## is a shortcut for info:, as I documented here in a short list of Konq shortcuts:

http://linuxbraindump.org/2007/08/31/konqueror-kwickies

-- Jonathan Arnold (mailto:jdarnold@buddydog.org) Linux Brain Dump - Linux Notes, HOWTOs and Tutorials: http://www.linuxbraindump.org

Daemon Dancing in the Dark, an Open OS weblog: http://freebsd.amazingdev.com/blog/

========== Hi Jon, Didn't see anything about the above mentioned items, but did notice your

Third and fourth bullets.

site took a very long time to load. Didn't seem normal to me and after seeing several errors on the site, decided to run it through the W3C validator. Thanks for other shortcuts as well. Here are your results:

Excellent, thanks for the help! -- Jonathan Arnold (mailto:jdarnold@buddydog.org) Linux Brain Dump - Linux Notes, HOWTOs and Tutorials: http://www.linuxbraindump.org Daemon Dancing in the Dark, an Open OS weblog: http://freebsd.amazingdev.com/blog/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

** Reply to message from Carl Hartung on Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:40:21 -0400

On Tue October 16 2007 01:19:10 pm Stan Goodman wrote:

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As I wrote in another message, I must not be handling "locate" correctly. <locate mplayer>got me only an oldish outgoing email message.

Addendum:

You did mention 'bouncing icon' desktop feedback. Are you invoking 'locate' from a proper shell? Pulling up an 'oldish outgoing email' sounds very much like 'Beagle' <shiver> behavior. Did the email contain the text string "locate mplayer" or anything close to it?

I did it in the Search field of the lizard menu, so now that I think of it, I believe it's Beagle. Yes, of course, the email did mention mplayer. I just tried <locate mplayer> in a terminal, and got back that the command is unrecognized. In fact even <locate> alone is unrecognized. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel REAL similes/metaphors by high school students; #16: John and Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had also never met. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

** Reply to message from Bryen on Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:31:41 -0500

On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 20:11 +0200, Stan Goodman wrote:

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** Reply to message from Carl Hartung on Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:40:21 -0400 You need to go to your software management in YAST and keyword search for "locate" It is part of the findutils-locate package. Once installed, the locate command will work beautifully.

But before you run locate, run "updatedb" which will take about 5 minutes usually. Then locate will work as desired.

Yes, I have found that in a SuSE book here. I'll do that tomorrow. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel Are more people violently opposed to wearing fur than leather because it's easier to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Oct 16 2007 11:56, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Stan Goodman [10-16-07 11:22]:

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I did from "/" as root, and turned up nothing recognizable. Now I have gone into the directory you mention, and find (three levels further down) the multilingual HTML files. I don't have an excuse, but I probably would not have overlooked them if they didn't have names like "cs", "de","en", etc. I know I am being petty, but it might have been easier to locate the docs. Yes, it's the Unix way. It would have been cheating to put them under a directory with a name like "MPlayerDocs".

you work toooooo hard..... rpm -ql MPlayer |egrep -i doc\|html or locate -i mplayer |erep -i doc\|html

You work tooo hard: rpm -qd MPlayer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Jan Engelhardt [10-16-07 12:01]:

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You work tooo hard:

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rpm -qd MPlayer

good one, I haven't used that, .... but will :^)

tks, really good one. But how will I know that the "MPlayer" rpm is written with capital "M" and captal "P"?

For example: rpm -qd mplayer package mplayer is not installed okay: rpm -qa |grep -i mplayer finds out for me, but this is much more hard work to do. ;-)) EbR -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

** Reply to message from Patrick Shanahan on Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:56:04 -0400

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I did from "/" as root, and turned up nothing recognizable. Now I have gone into the directory you mention, and find (three levels further down) the multilingual HTML files. I don't have an excuse, but I probably would not have overlooked them if they didn't have names like "cs", "de","en", etc. I know I am being petty, but it might have been easier to locate the docs. Yes, it's the Unix way. It would have been cheating to put them under a directory with a name like "MPlayerDocs".

you work toooooo hard..... rpm -ql MPlayer |egrep -i doc\|html or locate -i mplayer |erep -i doc\|html

I always said that the ignorant always have to work harder for less result. Until I get a handle on such incantations as the above, many moons will pass, I'm afraid.

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** Reply to message from "Rajko M." on Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:19:47 -0500

On Tuesday 16 October 2007 10:15:41 am Stan Goodman wrote: ...

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I did from "/" as root, and turned up nothing recognizable.

It is case sensitive. For instance:

ra@d2eh:~> find /usr/share/doc -name xerces* /usr/share/doc/packages/xerces-j2

ra@d2eh:~> find /usr/share/doc -name Xerces* /usr/share/doc/packages/Xerces-c

I'm sure you are right. I am equally sure that I read somewhere that "find" will treat file names as case insensitive. Unfortuntely, I dod not remember where I read that, but if the statement is incorrect, then that source was in error. Thank you for the warning, which I will certainly keep in mind. Insensitivity, actually, would be more logical: if you are searching for something, you probably don't know the case in which its name appeears, and may spend lots of time and frustration in trying permutations of case. But again, one lives with reality.

Good idea to look with 'find', but you can use as reference: man hier it is manual about linux file system hierarchy.

It is obviously an important thing for me to peruse. Thank you much for the pointer.

Not everyone respects it, but 99% do, and it is good to know where to start, as: find / -name "mplayer* will scan whole file system, and /usr/share/doc some 260 MB (here). Whole file system can contain hundreds of GB, have mounted USB external drives and network mounts that can be huge.

As they say, "Size counts". Fortunately, I have a only single 80GB drive.

-- Regards, Rajko.

-- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel There was once a young man who, in his youth, professed his desire to become one of the world's great writers. When asked to define "great" he said, "I want to write stuff that the whole world will read, stuff that people will react to on a truly emotional level, stuff that will make them scream, cry, howl in pain and anger!" He now works for Microsoft, writing error messages. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2007-10-16 at 17:15 +0200, Stan Goodman wrote:

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What am I missing? Did you look in /usr/share/doc/packages/Mplayer? I have 19.5MB of documentation there, including html in 10 languages.

I did from "/" as root, and turned up nothing recognizable. Now I have gone into the directory you mention, and find (three levels further down) the multilingual HTML files. I don't have an excuse, but I probably would not have overlooked them if they didn't have names like "cs", "de","en", etc. I know I am being petty, but it might have been easier to locate the docs. Yes, it's the Unix way. It would have been cheating to put them under a directory with a name like "MPlayerDocs".

Well, as it happens, the directory /usr/share/doc/packages/{package_name} is the standard place for the documentation :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHFfDTtTMYHG2NR9URAiJcAJ9OZeKH1KOkM/AHMn/rCZbo2ZdCyACeJKWQ K8voE/z8k2oKk9EnTiwVSuY= =U4TU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2007-10-17 at 14:44 +0200, Stan Goodman wrote:

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Well, as it happens, the directory /usr/share/doc/packages/{package_name} is the standard place for the documentation :-)

Now I know, and very useful information it is. Thanks.

Welcome

I am having a bit of trouble in installing the new sources that I was given yesterday in this thread, because the responses of the system do not seem entirely consistent.

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Error code: Unrecognized error Error message: FTP response timeout ] # 1. Retry [y/n]: *****

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What am I doing wrong?

Choose a different mirror, or try later. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHFhuDtTMYHG2NR9URAsknAJ0bkhI/jKKDlmCUogBCu/mhBS+FCACeP/Z0 n/dpWA9NKfqzii/B3pS4g5Q= =s9ub -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2007-10-17 at 17:31 +0200, Stan Goodman wrote:

I've been trying this one since yesterday, so apparently is not a good one for me to use. Yesterday, whoever gave me these addresses, seemed to make it clear that these were _the_ ones to use; apparently I misunderstood.

I did find a webpage with an impressively long list of mirrors. I suppose I could start working through them, making note of the ones that don't work, so as to avoid them in future. I wish I had time to do that.

Simply choose one that's near your location, that works fast and reliably. Yes, there is a list of mirrors in the wiki to choose from; or leave it in automatic. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHFo/XtTMYHG2NR9URAi/JAJ9gyxa+Uyoop8MfuM6HaBs4nZ0rnACdGrlO cDQaxi0vw1C5eplHAqWmAUo= =U8YH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-10-18 at 01:20 +0200, Stan Goodman wrote:

Automatic it is. As far as I can detect, there aren't any "near" my location. The closest are in the Balkans; I have tried them in the past and they are a disaster.

I live in Spain and currently I use mirrors from Germany... close is relative. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFHFppBtTMYHG2NR9URApNVAJwJsicBj6u78JSo6qqCGk93KrbfvwCdE1gW NtSr85SvO6XSj2jzymDk2/E= =Ah/x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 17 October 2007 07:44:02 am Stan Goodman wrote:

The non-oss URL was added correctly, and now appears as "Active". The oss URL was added too, but now appears as "Pending"; Pending what?.

Run 'zypper ref' and see is there any changes to "Pending".

After the same exercise with the update URL, there is a line at the bottom of the window, saying: "Adding ftp://mirrors.netbg.com/opensuse/update/10.2". It doesn't go away, and the rest of the Services window is greyed out. The updates URL is, of course, the one that interests me.

This is 10.2 update link: ftp://mirrors.netbg.com/suse/update/10.2 I know it is confusing, but the link I gave you in previous post is for 10.3 version. The openSUSE is still in transition from SUSE, and this difference between update for 10.2 and 10.3 is one of artifacts. You may try Konqueror ftp capabilities. Enter (copy): ftp://mirrors.netbg.com/ in Konqueror Location field and browse. That is what I did to find update link for openSUSE 10.2. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org