Hello, I have to build a new server (in my home, old laptop with fiber line, 256Gb ssd and 8Gb ram), to host a INN usenet instance. I try to make administration the lighter I can, and wonder if I can use ispconfig, the last tutorial with opensuse is pretty old: https://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-opensuse-12.1-x86_64-with-nginx-is... I'm not completely new with INN, some years ago I already installed one. May be ispconfig is overkill? Also, what is the recommended distribution? I can install directly Leap 15.3, I guess it is now nearly done, but what about microOS? https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:MicroOS I may appreciate to have a minimum grahical system (xfce, icewm...) any hint? thanks jdd -- http://dodin.org
jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Hello,
I have to build a new server (in my home, old laptop with fiber line, 256Gb ssd and 8Gb ram), to host a INN usenet instance.
I try to make administration the lighter I can, and wonder if I can use ispconfig, the last tutorial with opensuse is pretty old:
https://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-opensuse-12.1-x86_64-with-nginx-is...
I'm not completely new with INN, some years ago I already installed one. May be ispconfig is overkill?
Yes, that was my first thought - if your main objective is to run an inn instance, ispconfig is overkill.
Also, what is the recommended distribution?
Whatever you prefer to work with, I would say. One comment - your old laptop is also way overkill. A Raspberry Pi would easily suffice. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (7.7°C)
Le 04/03/2021 à 08:58, Per Jessen a écrit :
jdd@dodin.org wrote: Also, what is the recommended distribution?
Whatever you prefer to work with, I would say.
but I have no idea of what is microOS. If it allows to have less update/ugrade work it may be the best choice
One comment - your old laptop is also way overkill. A Raspberry Pi would easily suffice.
yes, but I got three of the laptops for free (empty, no ram, no disqk, no alim, very good as part replacements) :-) and I have no PI thanks jdd -- http://dodin.org
jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 04/03/2021 à 08:58, Per Jessen a écrit :
jdd@dodin.org wrote: Also, what is the recommended distribution?
Whatever you prefer to work with, I would say.
but I have no idea of what is microOS. If it allows to have less update/ugrade work it may be the best choice
When you don't know it, it might be more work ?
One comment - your old laptop is also way overkill. A Raspberry Pi would easily suffice.
yes, but I got three of the laptops for free (empty, no ram, no disqk, no alim, very good as part replacements) :-) and I have no PI
Haha, good answer! -- Per Jessen, Zürich (11.4°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland.
Le 04/03/2021 à 10:15, Per Jessen a écrit :
jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Le 04/03/2021 à 08:58, Per Jessen a écrit :
jdd@dodin.org wrote: Also, what is the recommended distribution?
Whatever you prefer to work with, I would say.
but I have no idea of what is microOS. If it allows to have less update/ugrade work it may be the best choice
When you don't know it, it might be more work ?
maybe, but it's still openSUSE, I guess? if some work now free much work later, it may be good :-=) anyway I don't know leap 15.3 either jdd -- http://dodin.org
Op donderdag 4 maart 2021 10:07:04 CET schreef jdd@dodin.org:
Le 04/03/2021 à 08:58, Per Jessen a écrit :
jdd@dodin.org wrote: Also, what is the recommended distribution?
Whatever you prefer to work with, I would say.
but I have no idea of what is microOS. If it allows to have less update/ugrade work it may be the best choice
One comment - your old laptop is also way overkill. A Raspberry Pi would easily suffice.
yes, but I got three of the laptops for free (empty, no ram, no disqk, no alim, very good as part replacements) :-) and I have no PI
However the power you use is not for free. Say your laptop uses 40W, a RPi uses about 5 W, so you save about 35 W is: 24x35=0.840kWh per day, times € 0.20 per kWh is about € 70 per year. This about the price you pay for a RPi. -- fr.gr. member openSUSE Freek de Kruijf
Le 04/03/2021 à 11:18, Freek de Kruijf a écrit :
However the power you use is not for free. Say your laptop uses 40W, a RPi uses about 5 W, so you save about 35 W is: 24x35=0.840kWh per day, times € 0.20 per kWh is about € 70 per year. This about the price you pay for a RPi.
may be, but I don't know how long I will run this particular server, if all works well, it may be that I use a rented server online. But I want to make sure it works :-) thanks jdd -- http://dodin.org
On 04/03/2021 11.18, Freek de Kruijf wrote:
Op donderdag 4 maart 2021 10:07:04 CET schreef jdd@dodin.org:
Le 04/03/2021 à 08:58, Per Jessen a écrit :
jdd@dodin.org wrote: Also, what is the recommended distribution?
Whatever you prefer to work with, I would say.
but I have no idea of what is microOS. If it allows to have less update/ugrade work it may be the best choice
One comment - your old laptop is also way overkill. A Raspberry Pi would easily suffice.
yes, but I got three of the laptops for free (empty, no ram, no disqk, no alim, very good as part replacements) :-) and I have no PI
However the power you use is not for free. Say your laptop uses 40W, a RPi uses about 5 W, so you save about 35 W is: 24x35=0.840kWh per day, times € 0.20 per kWh is about € 70 per year. This about the price you pay for a RPi.
An old laptop has a keyboard, display, and power suply included. Possibly a battery backup :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Le 04/03/2021 à 13:37, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
An old laptop has a keyboard, display, and power suply included. Possibly a battery backup :-)
It have. Free UPS :-) jdd -- http://dodin.org
On 2021/03/04 02:18, Freek de Kruijf wrote:
However the power you use is not for free. Say your laptop uses 40W, a RPi uses about 5 W, so you save about 35 W is: 24x35=0.840kWh per day, times € 0.20 per kWh is about € 70 per year. This about the price you pay for a RPi.
--- Do people use RPi's for generic computing these days? I went and bought a fanless 2-core Core I5 -- it came with 8GB, 4 1Gb ethernet ports, USB3 and HDMI. Also overkill for what I needed, but I thought I needed the Intel-compat x64 processor (maybe not). Where do you order/buy RPi's? Maybe my next clone...? What does it do for a hard disk? I just added a 1T SSD and loaded the OS with a USB stick on the little fanless thing. It uses 6.1W with the screen turned off, or 9.1W with the screen turned on (720p LCD). I dunno for 2 cores and x64 compat, that doesn't seem bad, but have nothing to compare it against.
Op woensdag 10 maart 2021 23:40:47 CET schreef L A Walsh:
On 2021/03/04 02:18, Freek de Kruijf wrote:
However the power you use is not for free. Say your laptop uses 40W, a RPi uses about 5 W, so you save about 35 W is: 24x35=0.840kWh per day, times € 0.20 per kWh is about € 70 per year. This about the price you pay for a RPi.
Do people use RPi's for generic computing these days?
There is the Rapsberry Pi 400, which is a Single Board Computer packed in a keyboard. So yes you can use it for generic computing. A friend uses it for email and browsing and is very pleased by the low energy consumption.
I went and bought a fanless 2-core Core I5 -- it came with 8GB, 4 1Gb ethernet ports, USB3 and HDMI. Also overkill for what I needed, but I thought I needed the Intel-compat x64 processor (maybe not).
Where do you order/buy RPi's? Maybe my next clone...?
What does it do for a hard disk? I just added a 1T SSD and loaded the OS with a USB stick on the little fanless thing. It uses 6.1W with the screen turned off, or 9.1W with the screen turned on (720p LCD). I dunno for 2 cores and x64 compat, that doesn't seem bad, but have nothing to compare it against.
It uses a micro SD card as a disk replacement; almost any size available will work. These SD cards need regular backup. I did have several failures on these cards after a few years, which required a new card. But you can also use a USB drive as a disk, even to boot from. -- fr.gr. member openSUSE Freek de Kruijf
On 2021/03/11 02:47, Freek de Kruijf wrote:
keyboard. So yes you can use it for generic computing. A friend uses it for email and browsing and is very pleased by the low energy consumption.
--- It sounds way cheaper than the way I went, but far more limited in terms of compatibility...Guess it really depends on task. While 6.1W > 5W, that's also supporting 2 x86_64 cores, 8GB mem a 1T SSD, but I don't really have it provisioned w/software they way I want -- and probably want to buy a 2nd one to run as a live-spare/backup so I can at least support redundant email and DNS -- though I'd love to get off using 'gmail' as a "MSP". They are just a bit too swarmy for my tastes, not to mention unwilling to follow net RFC's.
It uses a micro SD card as a disk replacement; almost any size available will work. These SD cards need regular backup. I did have several failures on these cards after a few years, which required a new card. But you can also use a USB drive as a disk, even to boot from.
--- I have, supposedly, a fairly stable SSD that is claimed not to need explicit passed-down free support to maintain reliability and decent speed, Some Samsung (ESO?) variation. I put the disk inside, but I suppose I should have a backup external. Sometimes I know what I _should_ do, but just resist spending the $$ to really do things right (*sigh*)...
On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 11:47:55AM +0100, Freek de Kruijf wrote:
It uses a micro SD card as a disk replacement; almost any size available will work. These SD cards need regular backup. I did have several failures on these cards after a few years, which required a new card. But you can also use a USB drive as a disk, even to boot from.
Just wondering, what type of failures have you seen? Generally, these SD cards should fail into a read-only mode instead of filesystem corruption. - Adam
Op vrijdag 12 maart 2021 16:02:51 CET schreef Adam Majer:
On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 11:47:55AM +0100, Freek de Kruijf wrote:
It uses a micro SD card as a disk replacement; almost any size available will work. These SD cards need regular backup. I did have several failures on these cards after a few years, which required a new card. But you can also use a USB drive as a disk, even to boot from.
Just wondering, what type of failures have you seen? Generally, these SD cards should fail into a read-only mode instead of filesystem corruption.
- Adam
Indeed the failure was that the SD card became read-only, which took me quite some time to discover. No error message. -- fr.gr. member openSUSE Freek de Kruijf
Adam Majer wrote:
On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 11:47:55AM +0100, Freek de Kruijf wrote:
It uses a micro SD card as a disk replacement; almost any size available will work. These SD cards need regular backup. I did have several failures on these cards after a few years, which required a new card. But you can also use a USB drive as a disk, even to boot from.
Just wondering, what type of failures have you seen? Generally, these SD cards should fail into a read-only mode instead of filesystem corruption.
By pure coincidence, the other day I yanked the serial port connector (4-pin) off my Nano Pi. I expect it caused a reset or some such, and afterwards the ext4 filesystem on the SD card was toast. I managed to save some critical bits, but otherwise it is back to 15.1 and zypper dup to 15.2, plus various custom changes (to make wifi work). (not quite done yet) Probably an exception though. I have however also had the read-only situation with no warning. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (8.4°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland.
Le 13/03/2021 à 18:59, Per Jessen a écrit :
Probably an exception though. I have however also had the read-only situation with no warning.
AFAIK, SD cards don't have failure protections ssd have jdd -- http://dodin.org
Hi, ISPConfig is NOT compatible with any version of SuSE for a very long time. Scripts which configure services will not be able to setup your system correctly even if you trick ISPConfig that it is CentOS for example. You can make Debian or Ubuntu virtual machine and use SuSE as KVM host. Someone made Docker image of ISPConfig but it is 4-year old now and therefore, obsolete. BTW, for home server ISPConfig is an absolute overkill. You may need it to manage multiple domains, sites and corporate e-mails. PS. I'm a long time ISPConfig user, for a group of our affiliated companies. It runs on Debian under oVirt virtualization platform. On 3/4/21 9:28 AM, jdd@dodin.org wrote:
Hello,
I have to build a new server (in my home, old laptop with fiber line, 256Gb ssd and 8Gb ram), to host a INN usenet instance.
I try to make administration the lighter I can, and wonder if I can use ispconfig, the last tutorial with opensuse is pretty old:
https://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-opensuse-12.1-x86_64-with-nginx-is...
I'm not completely new with INN, some years ago I already installed one. May be ispconfig is overkill?
Also, what is the recommended distribution?
I can install directly Leap 15.3, I guess it is now nearly done, but what about microOS?
https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:MicroOS
I may appreciate to have a minimum grahical system (xfce, icewm...)
any hint? thanks jdd
Le 11/03/2021 à 17:45, Andrei Verovski a écrit :
Hi,
ISPConfig is NOT compatible with any version of SuSE for a very long time.
ack, thanks jdd -- http://dodin.org
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