Indeed so. To me, Linux is the most cost-effective network service server OS. I would never consider using M$ for this. I will gladly consider changing on my desktop as well when: 1. there is a decent office suite available, 2. my computer games work on Linux, 3. the KDE browser becomes fast enough, 4. there is a good anti-virus and internet security suite for Linux, (Yes, this will become a problem once Linux is used by more than the enthusiasts.) Having this, I would only have to boot into W2k a few times a year for my annual accounting. Man, do I long for that day!
From: Glenn Hancock
Reply-To: Glenn Hancock To: Fergus Wilde CC: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] Networking question Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:39:00 -0400 Boy there are some that get a little carried away. I love linux but to even begin to compare it to Windows in a user friendly works more than not conversation is insane. Linux is great if you know what you are doing, Windows is great when you don't. It works more than not unlike Linux which is a pain to get running.
With that said, once linux is running like you want, it works forever, or until you upgrade something where you usually have to start back over. Its getting better and better everyday, but to think its ready for prime time on user desktops is insane at best.
my 2 cents.
glenn
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:30:46 +0100, Fergus Wilde
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Point is, XP users generally love their systems because it's easy. Installing software is easy. They put a disk in and it does the rest. They just need to hit "next" a few times.
And then hit Ctrl-Alt-Del a few times. And then hit reset a few times -
and
then watch in horror as the entire plot spirals towards the ground with immense orange flames pouring from all engines ... any parachutes? No, bad luck ... the friendly XP adware and spyware that infects such systems within minutes of take off probably nicked them for the silk. Back up at 30,000 feet I turn the methanol injection back off, throttle down and turn for home to load up some more belts of .50 calibre. All penguins return to base, re-arm and re-fuel ...
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I know, this is off-topic. Eh. It happens once in a while... Niclas wrote regarding 'Re: [SLE] Networking question' on Mon, Aug 23 at 09:56:
Indeed so.
To me, Linux is the most cost-effective network service server OS. I would never consider using M$ for this. I will gladly consider changing on my desktop as well when:
1. there is a decent office suite available,
www.openoffice.org (unless your definition of "decent" is "looks and works and has a non-intuitive interface and opens files just like MS Office"). It works very well. The only problems I'm aware of is that ti sometimes doesn't open MS documents perfectly. MS Office doesn't open other suite's documents properly sometimes, too.
2. my computer games work on Linux,
Buy a playstation. The games are better, they look better than most any computer game, and you could potentially run linux on it. You should be able to get one for less than the cost of a new video card.
3. the KDE browser becomes fast enough,
Nothing's ever "fast enough". Ever. My daily driver makes over 400HP, and can exceed the speed limit by over 3x, but it's nowhere close to "fast enough". That doesn't mean I'll stop driving it until it's faster...
4. there is a good anti-virus and internet security suite for Linux, (Yes, this will become a problem once Linux is used by more than the enthusiasts.)
Don't log in as root, don't run untrusted binaries, and make backups every once in a while. That has worked for me on windows since 1993, and it's worked for me on Linux since 1995. I've never used antivirus software, and I've never had a virus. As someone who uses a *lot* of computers (yup, I'm a sysadmin), I can safely say that education and software updates work way better than relying on some antivirus program. As a linux zealot, I'm also inclined to point out that the common virus problems under windows aren't so much due to Windows' popularity, but due to the horrible decisions made when designing some of them. Good heavens, Outlook Express was vulnurable to a problem in the way it parsed date headers! What idiot decided that they needed to rewrite date parsing *and* managed to get it wrong? How hard is it to allocate enough space for a date string, and then not go over that space limitation? :)
Having this, I would only have to boot into W2k a few times a year for my annual accounting. Man, do I long for that day!
I do my taxes online, using a web browser on my linux box. The day is now, so it seems. --Danny
Niclas Arndt wrote:
Indeed so.
To me, Linux is the most cost-effective network service server OS. I would never consider using M$ for this. I will gladly consider changing on my desktop as well when:
1. there is a decent office suite available, 2. my computer games work on Linux, 3. the KDE browser becomes fast enough, 4. there is a good anti-virus and internet security suite for Linux, (Yes, this will become a problem once Linux is used by more than the enthusiasts.)
Having this, I would only have to boot into W2k a few times a year for my annual accounting. Man, do I long for that day!
<STUFF DELETED> 1. I use MS Office and friends under crossover office, it started out as a proof of concept for other colleagues who wanted to switch to Linux, but OpenOffice.org has been maturing nicely to the point where I really don't need MS Office, not particularly needing the features which I'm told are available in MS Office - I don't even know what they are, but I've heard it said - don't care as I'm a techie and leave such intracies up to Office Willy to pursue as his day job. 2. Not a gamer, but have tried a few - horses for courses really. 3. The browser ... never notice how slow it is in comparison to any others. Give me the security always, IE is definitely lightning fast at infecting machines. 4. We only need ant-virus software to protect Windows machines that can't protect themselves - that upsets the Symantecs of this world who make a killing writing software to protect software that was not designed with security in mind, Linux could kill the anti-virus industry. There goes another myth based on the assumption that the only difference is numbers, a sort of, if there were more Rolls Royces on the road, the number of dead Rolls drivers would be similar to those of drivers of the average tin can. Bill Gates says Windows is more secure than Linux, so he must be right, but wait, I see that Windows, both desktops and servers get frequently damaged, Windows in parts of the internet and in corporate installations causing disruption, desktops seriously crippled and massive amounts of time spent cleaning up the mess, mass emails asking staff to download the latest anti-virus after the virus has hit, a few weeks later they are back on the same merry-go-round - ad-infinitum. I jettisoned Windows on my laptop at work years ago when a colleague turned to me late one evening when we putting together Linux to deploy on all Corporate laptops and said "F**** it, I'm blowing away Windows", moments later it was gone permanently for both of us and we never looked back. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =====LINUX ONLY USED HERE=====
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