Ok, please please bear with me. I been fight with my ips and Linksys to get my network back up. Background I have DSL. The company I am with, started me out on a ADSL that they set up with my block of ip's. I have 16. 13 that I can use. One lost to Network, Boardcast, and the gateway. On friday, I move from my old little house to my new big house. The old house could work with ADSL. The new house as fiber to the house. Because of this, I can't no longer use my modem. I had to purchase a router that support PPPoE, no problem, most due. Here where the problem because. I can connect to my ISP and I get my WAN ip, and I can get out, because NAT'ing is turn on, but I can't get in. If I turn NAT'ing off I can't get in or out. Problem Let me explain a bit about my network, I hope this helps and doesn't confuse everyone. I will change the ip's for safety reason. But you should be able to follow along. My router is a Linksys, it might be the problem. It is BEFSR41 Version 4.3. I got in and set it up for PPPoE with my user id and password. I connect I get the wan ip of 47.216.14.229, Now I give my router the ip of 47.216.17.87 with a subnet of 255.255.255.240. Now my boxes are on the same 47.216.17.86/28 network. I go in the router and turn off NAT'inng. I can from my linux box ping 47.219.14.229 but I can't ping any thing belong it. The Questions... Does anyone know of a good cheap DSL Router that I can set my gateway ip and it will allow all my other ip's to go out, and do PPPoE? I was told that some people flah linksys routers to get it more use. Does anyone know what the software is and a link to the page? It's most off the shelves routers are for people with no static or one. Oh, the range for the router needs to be in the $50 to $80 range, I might be able to go as high as $100. Does anyone have a Linksys BEFSR41 and more that one static IP? Have you gotten yours to work? If I can't get this done with router what would it take for my linux box to be able to do this. It currently has two nic, one is 47.216.17.88/28 and the other is 192.168.65.2/24. Does I need a third Nic? Would this be wise, would the other computers be able to get out? Does anyone have any Advice beside "RTFM"? I know it weird to ask this list, but I am at a lost. My websites, no email and wife that doesn't understand that some times these things take a bit of work. Thanks a head of time. Payne -- -- Command, n.: Statement presented by a human and accepted by a computer in such a manner as to make the human feel as if he is in control. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 1:52 AM, Chuck Payne
Let me explain a bit about my network, I hope this helps and doesn't confuse everyone. I will change the ip's for safety reason. But you should be able to follow along. My router is a Linksys, it might be the problem. It is BEFSR41 Version 4.3. I got in and set it up for PPPoE with my user id and password. I connect I get the wan ip of 47.216.14.229, Now I give my router the ip of 47.216.17.87 with a subnet of 255.255.255.240. Now my boxes are on the same 47.216.17.86/28 network. I go in the router and turn off NAT'inng. I can from my linux box ping 47.219.14.229 but I can't ping any thing belong it.
Have you tried using the "static route" option? Here AT&T (formerly Bellsouth) seems to use the exact same setup. You are assigned a dynamic IP to the WAN and the modem is configured for the static routes. They use a Netopia ADSL modem and I've found it to be a pain to use anything else.
The Questions...
Does anyone know of a good cheap DSL Router that I can set my gateway ip and it will allow all my other ip's to go out, and do PPPoE? I was told that some people flah linksys routers to get it more use. Does anyone know what the software is and a link to the page? It's most off the shelves routers are for people with no static or one. Oh, the range for the router needs to be in the $50 to $80 range, I might be able to go as high as $100.
Does anyone have a Linksys BEFSR41 and more that one static IP? Have you gotten yours to work?
If I can't get this done with router what would it take for my linux box to be able to do this. It currently has two nic, one is 47.216.17.88/28 and the other is 192.168.65.2/24. Does I need a third Nic? Would this be wise, would the other computers be able to get out?
The firmware you talk about is called DD-WRT developed primarily by Sebastian Gottschall (brainslayer) you can check it out at www.dd-wrt.com One of the more popular routers for that use is the Linksys WRT54GL, around here it cost approx USD 60. That firmware (and some of the earlier linksys on the WRT54G series... now they run something else because they can save 30 cents a router by halving the RAM) is running Linux and you can manipulate iptables any way you want. The WRT54GL variant keeps the higher amount of RAM and flash but even the newer, more crippled, variant can run the basic DD-WRT firmware. If you are buying a new router I suggest you get the GL variant. Of course there are other routers that can run the DD-WRT firmware and there are other firmwares for these broadcom-based routers (such as OpenWRT, Tomato, etc). Sorry I can't be of further help I never spent much time getting the multiple IP working on router other than the one the ISP provides but it should be possible.... Here is the info I am talking about: http://www.dslreports.com/faq/15901 but I think it should be possible with your current router and getting the static routing setup.... have you tried to ask the ISP for some pointers? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:45 AM, Andrew Joakimsen
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 1:52 AM, Chuck Payne
wrote: Let me explain a bit about my network, I hope this helps and doesn't confuse everyone. I will change the ip's for safety reason. But you should be able to follow along. My router is a Linksys, it might be the problem. It is BEFSR41 Version 4.3. I got in and set it up for PPPoE with my user id and password. I connect I get the wan ip of 47.216.14.229, Now I give my router the ip of 47.216.17.87 with a subnet of 255.255.255.240. Now my boxes are on the same 47.216.17.86/28 network. I go in the router and turn off NAT'inng. I can from my linux box ping 47.219.14.229 but I can't ping any thing belong it.
Have you tried using the "static route" option? Here AT&T (formerly Bellsouth) seems to use the exact same setup. You are assigned a dynamic IP to the WAN and the modem is configured for the static routes. They use a Netopia ADSL modem and I've found it to be a pain to use anything else.
The Teleco is ATT ( formerly Bellsouth ) but my ISP is abraxis.net. Abraxis told me that I need the Ethernet Router because of the fiber to the house. Again I get out and and NAT'ing works great, but one I turn NAT'ing off nothing. I tried the static route but it didn't work. Either I didn't set up or it was passing any data. Since I can't get into the CLI of the router it's a bit hard to check.
The Questions...
Does anyone know of a good cheap DSL Router that I can set my gateway ip and it will allow all my other ip's to go out, and do PPPoE? I was told that some people flah linksys routers to get it more use. Does anyone know what the software is and a link to the page? It's most off the shelves routers are for people with no static or one. Oh, the range for the router needs to be in the $50 to $80 range, I might be able to go as high as $100.
Does anyone have a Linksys BEFSR41 and more that one static IP? Have you gotten yours to work?
If I can't get this done with router what would it take for my linux box to be able to do this. It currently has two nic, one is 47.216.17.88/28 and the other is 192.168.65.2/24. Does I need a third Nic? Would this be wise, would the other computers be able to get out?
The firmware you talk about is called DD-WRT developed primarily by Sebastian Gottschall (brainslayer) you can check it out at www.dd-wrt.com One of the more popular routers for that use is the Linksys WRT54GL, around here it cost approx USD 60. That firmware (and some of the earlier linksys on the WRT54G series... now they run something else because they can save 30 cents a router by halving the RAM) is running Linux and you can manipulate iptables any way you want. The WRT54GL variant keeps the higher amount of RAM and flash but even the newer, more crippled, variant can run the basic DD-WRT firmware. If you are buying a new router I suggest you get the GL variant.
I spent 5 hours on the phone with Linksys only to be told that the router I have is for home use and that what I need is more advance and I need to call the small business line and have them recommend a route to me. I looked at their small routers and they range from $150 to $350 dollars.
Of course there are other routers that can run the DD-WRT firmware and there are other firmwares for these broadcom-based routers (such as OpenWRT, Tomato, etc).
Sorry I can't be of further help I never spent much time getting the multiple IP working on router other than the one the ISP provides but it should be possible.... Here is the info I am talking about: http://www.dslreports.com/faq/15901 but I think it should be possible with your current router and getting the static routing setup.... have you tried to ask the ISP for some pointers?
Thanks for the link I will look into it. I am back at work today, was going to talk to our network engineer, I am but SA and relay on him to much for networking. Again thanks for all the help. I will that a look into everything you have said. I have already forwarded some of the stuff to the ISP to see if they have any advise as well. Payne -- -- Command, n.: Statement presented by a human and accepted by a computer in such a manner as to make the human feel as if he is in control. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 10/1/08, Chuck Payne
The Teleco is ATT ( formerly Bellsouth ) but my ISP is abraxis.net. Abraxis told me that I need the Ethernet Router because of the fiber
I don't think you actually have fiber to the home, what you probably have is called IFITL (Integrated Fiber In The Loop) there is fiber to the pedestal in front of your home and then you have Ethernet to your home. Either way AT&T/Bellsouth use something called BBG which basically 1) uses PPPoE 2) aggregates all the connections. So even if you have another ISP the way the front end (PPPoE) connection is established is always the same.
I spent 5 hours on the phone with Linksys only to be told that the router I have is for home use and that what I need is more advance and I need to call the small business line and have them recommend a route to me. I looked at their small routers and they range from $150 to $350 dollars.
They probably still didn't understand the exact setup. The WRT54GL (~USD60) with DD-WRT firmware can do just about anything you want... of course that is 3rd party software and Linksys won't know anything about that.
Thanks for the link I will look into it. I am back at work today, was going to talk to our network engineer, I am but SA and relay on him to much for networking. Again thanks for all the help. I will that a look into everything you have said. I have already forwarded some of the stuff to the ISP to see if they have any advise as well.
I think you might have a tough time. The official answer is going to be to use the Netopia router... but the WAN on that is only ADSL2. IFITL is not deployed any more, there is a newer technology that they are using which replaces Ethernet with ADSL (it simplifies the install because it can share the same copper as your analog phone)... Complicating things further, I don't think IFITL was ever deployed for commercial (business) locations... the multiple IP are generally only sold for business accounts (at least if AT&T is your ISP, which is the majority of the users) I think the best place to be asking this question is at the forums here: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/ilec,bels You can post anonymously, if you wish. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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From: "Chuck Payne"
Ok, please please bear with me. I been fight with my ips and Linksys to get my network back up.
Background
I have DSL. The company I am with, started me out on a ADSL that they set up with my block of ip's. I have 16. 13 that I can use. One lost to Network, Boardcast, and the gateway. On friday, I move from my old little house to my new big house. The old house could work with ADSL. The new house as fiber to the house. Because of this, I can't no longer use my modem. I had to purchase a router that support PPPoE, no problem, most due. Here where the problem because. I can connect to my ISP and I get my WAN ip, and I can get out, because NAT'ing is turn on, but I can't get in. If I turn NAT'ing off I can't get in or out.
Problem
Let me explain a bit about my network, I hope this helps and doesn't confuse everyone. I will change the ip's for safety reason. But you should be able to follow along. My router is a Linksys, it might be the problem. It is BEFSR41 Version 4.3. I got in and set it up for PPPoE with my user id and password. I connect I get the wan ip of 47.216.14.229, Now I give my router the ip of 47.216.17.87 with a subnet of 255.255.255.240. Now my boxes are on the same 47.216.17.86/28 network. I go in the router and turn off NAT'inng. I can from my linux box ping 47.219.14.229 but I can't ping any thing belong it.
What? Did the new ISP tell you you could use those IP's? If your fiber account is using pppoe then generally that means you have only one public ip that you may use, which by definition is the one provided by the PPP in PPPoE. PPP = Point-to-Point-Protocol. Forget that PPP happens to be computer jargon for a moment, "Point to Point" means there is only one point on each end of the connection. It's a tiny network with only two points. Which is two addresses, one for the ISP and one for you. Thus, if you are doing PPP, then you have only one address. And if you are doing PPPoE, then, by definition, you are doing PPP. You are doing it [o]ver [E]thernet. So you must do NAT on your end to connect more than one machine to the net via that one address. That means that your machines, and the lan side of your router all need addresses in one of the address spaces reserved for private use. ie: 10.0.0.0/8, 172.16.0.0/12, 192.168.0.0/16. That lets your machines initiate connections out to the internet as clients. To let machines on the internet initiate connection in to your machines as servers, then you must configure port-forwarding rules into the router (BEFSR41 has basic port forwarding that is good enough for simple tasks), and your ISP needs to not be actively firewalling inbound traffic, which many home ISP's do these days. If your ISP is firewalling you, you may possibly get around that by just using non-standard tcp ports. IE, perhaps they block ports 25, 80, and maybe even some of the common router default "alternate" http admin ports like 1080 and 8080. So, try port-forwarding port 81, 82, 83 etc.. try also something completely random and above 1024, like 3015 or something. Or, simply tell your ISP that want a different class of connction and pay for it. I myself happen to have fiber (Verizon FiOS) in my office and I have several static public IP's with no port blocking by the ISP at all. No NAT, no PPPoE, not even DHCP needed, not even any router needed, just a switch to provide physical jacks. In my case they provide actual IP's and the router is on their end and my FiOS connection is essetially like a super duper patch cord right to a switch or router in their office wherever that is. It costs only a little more than a typical cable-modem connection (around here anyways, central NJ, USA, obviously different markets are, well different) and runs a lot faster and has been 99.9999% uptime vs my and several co-workers cable connections go out all the time. But the point is, the typical home FiOS account does use DHCP and/or PPPoE just like most DSL uses and just like you describe. I just had to tell Verizon that I wanted something else and then pay a little more for it. You may simply need to do that too, becuase not everything can actually be done via NAT and port forwarding. Maybe your needs are simple enough, or maybe not. You haven't said enough yet for us to advise. Your existing router can be used in all plausible situtions, at least for getting basic tcp networking and routing. Of course more expensive routers do various things this router can't do, or does them better etc, but, this router can do pppoe and dhcp and nat and port forwarding, and it can do staic single public ip to multiple private ip, and it can even do multiple public ip's, which is actually the _simplest_ form of routing. But you can't do anything until you get your ISP to provide you with some sort of service and tell you the particulars of that service, THEN we can say how to tell your router to use that service. Currently, apparently, you have a pppoe account, and so as I said above, that means one public ip (maybe dynamic, maybe static, but still, only one ip) and nat. If your needs exceed what can be done via one ip, then you simply have to upgrade to a different type of account, which of course will mean different router configuration at that time. Sorry you (and so many others) want your goodies without paying your dues for them, but RTFM really is the answer here. You have asked so many questions at once that you apparently need a primer on tcp networking and routing in general. No crime in that, but that's not a reasonable thing to ask people to write up on a mail list for free. Especially when umpteen gazillions of those already exist all over. Read some tutorials or hire a tech to set it up for you. If you want to know what he did and why and how and all that, then ask him to explain as he goes and pay him for the extra hours that will consume. It's not only fair, it's your highest quality solution. -- Brian K. White brian@aljex.com http://www.myspace.com/KEYofR +++++[>+++[>+++++>+++++++<<-]<-]>>+.>.+++++.+++++++.-.[>+<---]>++. filePro BBx Linux SCO FreeBSD #callahans Satriani Filk!
The Questions...
Does anyone know of a good cheap DSL Router that I can set my gateway ip and it will allow all my other ip's to go out, and do PPPoE? I was told that some people flah linksys routers to get it more use. Does anyone know what the software is and a link to the page? It's most off the shelves routers are for people with no static or one. Oh, the range for the router needs to be in the $50 to $80 range, I might be able to go as high as $100.
Does anyone have a Linksys BEFSR41 and more that one static IP? Have you gotten yours to work?
If I can't get this done with router what would it take for my linux box to be able to do this. It currently has two nic, one is 47.216.17.88/28 and the other is 192.168.65.2/24. Does I need a third Nic? Would this be wise, would the other computers be able to get out?
Does anyone have any Advice beside "RTFM"?
I know it weird to ask this list, but I am at a lost. My websites, no email and wife that doesn't understand that some times these things take a bit of work.
Thanks a head of time.
Payne
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On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 3:12 AM, Brian K. White
Thus, if you are doing PPP, then you have only one address. And if you are doing PPPoE, then, by definition, you are doing PPP. You are doing it [o]ver [E]thernet.
So you must do NAT on your end to connect more than one machine to the net via that one address.
It is possible to have multiple addresses with PPPoE, see my last posting.
I myself happen to have fiber (Verizon FiOS) in my office and I have several static public IP's with no port blocking by the ISP at all. No NAT, no PPPoE, not even DHCP needed, not even any router needed, just a switch to provide physical jacks.
Verizon is using PPPoE in some cases. They most certainly install a router by default... the newer ones are using coax for the WAN side (from the router to the ONT) instead of Ethernet. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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