[opensuse] FF39 - Can openSuSE package it without the commercial add-on garbage?
All, Looking at the security threads, I updated which pulled in FF39. I started it, and -- of course -- there is all kinds of unwanted crap on the toolbar. --> But this crosses a line <-- The first unknown button I click on is something called "Save to Pocket" WTF?? A little more digging and I find it is a damn add-on that is for some reason on the toolbar. Looking further, it requires a NEW ACCOUNT to use. (of course you can sign up for an initial FREE account...) WTF is wrong with these people?? Since when does Mozilla start providing free toolbar advertising space for add-on developers and, more importantly, what is that garbage doing on my toolbar? When blatant unrelated garbage like this is pushed on to the toolbar, can openSuSE package a clean version without it? It is getting pathetic.... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 05:50:01PM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
All,
Looking at the security threads, I updated which pulled in FF39. I started it, and -- of course -- there is all kinds of unwanted crap on the toolbar.
--> But this crosses a line <--
The first unknown button I click on is something called "Save to Pocket" WTF?? A little more digging and I find it is a damn add-on that is for some reason on the toolbar. Looking further, it requires a NEW ACCOUNT to use. (of course you can sign up for an initial FREE account...)
WTF is wrong with these people?? Since when does Mozilla start providing free toolbar advertising space for add-on developers and, more importantly, what is that garbage doing on my toolbar?
When blatant unrelated garbage like this is pushed on to the toolbar, can openSuSE package a clean version without it? It is getting pathetic....
at least they made it easy to remove -- right click and there's a Remove from Toolbar available -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/19/2015 07:13 PM, toothpik wrote:
When blatant unrelated garbage like this is pushed on to the
toolbar, can openSuSE package a clean version without it? It is getting pathetic.... at least they made it easy to remove -- right click and there's a Remove from Toolbar available
Take a look at: X11:/QtDesktop/openSUSE_13.1/x86_64/qupzilla-1.8.6-33.1.x86_64.rpm Renders exactly like Firefox. lean/fast and only (2.7 Meg. Total package size) That's compared to a bloated 40+ Meg just for the Firefox package (before all the mozilla-nss packages, etc..). Flash works, java/javascript, comes with AdBlock. Damn -- it's really a browser! -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin composed on 2015-07-19 19:57 (UTC-0500):
Take a look at:
X11:/QtDesktop/openSUSE_13.1/x86_64/qupzilla-1.8.6-33.1.x86_64.rpm
Renders exactly like Firefox. lean/fast and only (2.7 Meg. Total package size) That's compared to a bloated 40+ Meg just for the Firefox package (before all the mozilla-nss packages, etc..). Flash works, java/javascript, comes with AdBlock. Damn -- it's really a browser!
I tried zypper -v in this in TW without recommends/suggests enabled. Qupzilla fails to start, complaining QtSQLite db plugin not installed. IOW, something is appaently wrong with dependencies, no? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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David C. Rankin composed on 2015-07-19 19:57 (UTC-0500):
Take a look at:
X11:/QtDesktop/openSUSE_13.1/x86_64/qupzilla-1.8.6-33.1.x86_64.rpm
Renders exactly like Firefox. lean/fast and only (2.7 Meg. Total package size) That's compared to a bloated 40+ Meg just for the Firefox package (before all the mozilla-nss packages, etc..). Flash works, java/javascript, comes with AdBlock. Damn -- it's really a browser!
I tried zypper -v in this in TW without recommends/suggests enabled. Qupzilla fails to start, complaining QtSQLite db plugin not installed. IOW, something is appaently wrong with dependencies, no?
Works for me on Tw and I have used it for several years. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 20/07/2015 0:50, David C. Rankin wrote:
The first unknown button I click on is something called "Save to Pocket" WTF??
Well, this is new to me. But after a minute of reading, I found out that I can apparently mark web pages with that, and later read them automatically on my ereader device. Maybe I can mark articles, and read them later in bed or the bus. I don't know if I want it, but I will certainly have a better look. -- Saludos/Cheers, Carlos E.R. (Minas-Morgul - W7) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 20/07/15 03:26, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Well, this is new to me. But after a minute of reading, I found out that I can apparently mark web pages with that, and later read them automatically on my ereader device. Maybe I can mark articles, and read them later in bed or the bus.
I don't know if I want it, but I will certainly have a better look.
What I'm not getting is that I thought Firefox Sync covered this. There was a lot of fanfare when Sync was revamped about how you could start reading a page on one device then catch up with it on another. I guess the Sync concept relies on keeping the page open in a tab but otherwise I don't see a great advantage with Pocket. Having said that, because I like to have different tabs on my devices and don't sync them by default, I find the Sync functionality rather lacking. I keep a pinned tab for 'Tabs from Other Devices', but it frequently shows nothing, even when I refresh, because it seems the other devices need to have been synced within a relatively recent time period. And the actual UI of that page is very dated and in need of improvement. Indeed, they seem to have relegated this function since it's been hidden in the menus and unlikely people will even find it (History toolbar button > Tabs from Other Devices). gumb -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-20 12:37, gumb wrote:
On 20/07/15 03:26, Carlos E. R. wrote:
What I'm not getting is that I thought Firefox Sync covered this. There was a lot of fanfare when Sync was revamped about how you could start reading a page on one device then catch up with it on another. I guess the Sync concept relies on keeping the page open in a tab but otherwise I don't see a great advantage with Pocket.
Apparently, I can mark a page in Firefox in Linux, and later read it in my tablet or my Kobo ereader, without doing anything special. Also apparently, with the free pocket service what is saved is just the link. With the paid account, the page itself is saved to the cloud (maybe with clutter removed).
Having said that, because I like to have different tabs on my devices and don't sync them by default, I find the Sync functionality rather lacking. I keep a pinned tab for 'Tabs from Other Devices', but it frequently shows nothing, even when I refresh, because it seems the other devices need to have been synced within a relatively recent time period. And the actual UI of that page is very dated and in need of improvement. Indeed, they seem to have relegated this function since it's been hidden in the menus and unlikely people will even find it (History toolbar button
Tabs from Other Devices).
I don't know, I have never used "sync". What has picked my interest is that pocket is supported by my Kobo device, and I often have a read in bed. I still have not tried it. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWs0rEACgkQja8UbcUWM1yOngD/dfEzGeZsafS7O+V4iveeVsWn BnrggmIqrAxCE7QS4SUA/injFMA47HxlymJ6FFGvfJC4Rzt7MM2ttjeaM6PhDi3a =JaAu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 20/07/15 12:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2015-07-20 12:37, gumb wrote:
On 20/07/15 03:26, Carlos E. R. wrote:
What I'm not getting is that I thought Firefox Sync covered this. There was a lot of fanfare when Sync was revamped about how you could start reading a page on one device then catch up with it on another. I guess the Sync concept relies on keeping the page open in a tab but otherwise I don't see a great advantage with Pocket.
Apparently, I can mark a page in Firefox in Linux, and later read it in my tablet or my Kobo ereader, without doing anything special. Also apparently, with the free pocket service what is saved is just the link. With the paid account, the page itself is saved to the cloud (maybe with clutter removed).
Wh-wh-wh-what? It just saves the link? Is that it? Can a simple twentieth century technology otherwise known as a bookmark not suffice? Even without Firefox being installed on every device, surely there's a myriad ways to transfer a simple text link, be it via a direct or cloud sync function, an email, pen and paper... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-20 13:22, gumb wrote:
On 20/07/15 12:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Apparently, I can mark a page in Firefox in Linux, and later read it in my tablet or my Kobo ereader, without doing anything special. Also apparently, with the free pocket service what is saved is just the link. With the paid account, the page itself is saved to the cloud (maybe with clutter removed).
Wh-wh-wh-what?
It just saves the link? Is that it? Can a simple twentieth century technology otherwise known as a bookmark not suffice? Even without Firefox being installed on every device, surely there's a myriad ways to transfer a simple text link, be it via a direct or cloud sync function, an email, pen and paper...
Well, that's what it does, share the link, yes :-) You have to somehow send the link to other devices. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_%28application%29 +++---------------- Firefox integration Pocket is built into the Firefox browser as of v38.0.5.[8] The user must create or logon to an existing Pocket online account to use the service. Only URLs, not web content itself, are saved to the cloud in the non-paid version. Firefox synched bookmarks already provide access to an online consolidated bookmark list of saved URLs from a Firefox browser on any device.[9] The added benefit with Pocket is that other browsers and Pocket apps on other devices can access the same Pocket account. Pocket makes it easy to tag and categorize content when saved, for more convenient access. Firefox must have internet access to use Pocket. As of July 2015 Firefox integrated Pocket does not cache web content for offline reading. - ----------------++- - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWs3bMACgkQja8UbcUWM1x5TAEAmJDk/0OXftzdDanOod9qvEgX yxMi5pcJOE4FhWd8E8EA/RXE3Q7U2GXO8qdhMhHAEdxKQ+o0YgW2fgIEsFwBlaxD =2gxo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/20/2015 05:37 AM, gumb wrote:
On 20/07/15 03:26, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Well, this is new to me. But after a minute of reading, I found out that I can apparently mark web pages with that, and later read them automatically on my ereader device. Maybe I can mark articles, and read them later in bed or the bus.
I don't know if I want it, but I will certainly have a better look.
What I'm not getting is that I thought Firefox Sync covered this. There was a lot of fanfare when Sync was revamped about how you could start reading a page on one device then catch up with it on another. I guess the Sync concept relies on keeping the page open in a tab but otherwise I don't see a great advantage with Pocket.
Having said that, because I like to have different tabs on my devices and don't sync them by default, I find the Sync functionality rather lacking. I keep a pinned tab for 'Tabs from Other Devices', but it frequently shows nothing, even when I refresh, because it seems the other devices need to have been synced within a relatively recent time period. And the actual UI of that page is very dated and in need of improvement. Indeed, they seem to have relegated this function since it's been hidden in the menus and unlikely people will even find it (History toolbar button > Tabs from Other Devices).
gumb
I like the Firefox sync feature. At home I use my desktop computer but when we make one of our frequent trips to Wichita, Kansas, my laptop takes the place of my desktop. I also have a Dell netbook for taking places where my laptop is a nuisance. The sync feature keeps all three of my Firefox's bookmarks and addons the same. Very convenient. -- A cat is a puzzle with no solution. Cats are tiny little women in fur coats. When you get all full of yourself try giving orders to a cat. _ _... ..._ _ _._ ._ ..... ._.. ... .._ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 20/07/2015 0:50, David C. Rankin wrote:
When blatant unrelated garbage like this is pushed on to the toolbar,
Open the menu (the three horizontal bars), hit customize, and add or remove things from the bar. It is there so that you notice the new feature. Then you can do whatever you wish with it. -- Saludos/Cheers, Carlos E.R. (Minas-Morgul - W7) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hi, Am 20.07.2015 um 00:50 schrieb David C. Rankin:
Looking at the security threads, I updated which pulled in FF39. I started it, and -- of course -- there is all kinds of unwanted crap on the toolbar.
This is subjective I guess. But that's why it is easy customizable.
--> But this crosses a line <--
The first unknown button I click on is something called "Save to Pocket" WTF?? A little more digging and I find it is a damn add-on that is for some reason on the toolbar. Looking further, it requires a NEW ACCOUNT to use. (of course you can sign up for an initial FREE account...)
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/save-web-pages-later-pocket-firefox
When blatant unrelated garbage like this is pushed on to the toolbar, can openSuSE package a clean version without it? It is getting pathetic....
Who defines what is clean? I removed the icon after first use as well but it seems to be a feature people wanted to have. Even if those were different people as subscribed here. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/20/2015 12:14 AM, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Who defines what is clean? I removed the icon after first use as well but it seems to be a feature people wanted to have. Even if those were different people as subscribed here.
Wolfgang
It is subjective, But... a line is crossed when what is packaged directs you to a 3rd party site to create a new account and divulge yet more personal information, which without any stretch of the imagination, will lead to yet more unwelcome and unwanted spam, subject you (knowingly in this case) to yet more collection of your browsing habits, (and god knows what else in the unknowing part). It just strikes me as utterly arrogant for an open-source project, and the developers in particular, to stray so far from what the core of a project was to be choosing for me what add-ons I have on my tool bar. We are all big boys and girls and are all well aware of where to get add-ons for Firefox should we choose to. No one should have to dig through about:config to turn off add-ons that they did not want or choose to install. (by the way) about:config browser.pocket.enabled;false browser.toolbarbuttons.introduced.pocket-button;false At the very least, when FF reaches this level of bloat, it would make a whole lot of sense (and probably reduce the number of Crash Reporter reports to zero) if Firefox was split into: MozillaFirefox-core MozillaFirefox-addons which would end up with greatly improved performance for Firefox-core that no longer consumes 4-18% of the CPU at idle. It would not surprise me at all if split packages looked something like: MozillaFirefox-core 8.4 M MozillaFirefox-addons 29.0 M -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/20/2015 12:48 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
No one should have to dig through about:config to turn off add-ons that they did not want or choose to install.
And good lord, it even modified my 'noscript' default to allow itself to bypass my security block on running scripts so it can run on my machine.... about:config noscript.default;about:blank about:pocket-signup about:pocket-saved ... That's when it crosses the line... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 20.07.2015 um 07:48 schrieb David C. Rankin:
No one should have to dig through about:config to turn off add-ons that they did not want or choose to install.
(by the way) about:config
browser.pocket.enabled;false browser.toolbarbuttons.introduced.pocket-button;false
At the very least, when FF reaches this level of bloat, it would make a whole lot of sense (and probably reduce the number of Crash Reporter reports to zero) if Firefox was split into:
MozillaFirefox-core MozillaFirefox-addons
which would end up with greatly improved performance for Firefox-core that no longer consumes 4-18% of the CPU at idle. It would not surprise me at all if split packages looked something like:
MozillaFirefox-core 8.4 M MozillaFirefox-addons 29.0 M
No, while Firefox was that small in version 1 it's not really possible to provide a modern, (pretty much) HTML5 compatible browser in that size anymore. At least not if you want/need to provide all the multimedia stuff on your own. Google Chrome 187160474 Firefox 97095632 So when talking about bloat Firefox does not do that bad. The Pocket integration is discussed from the community already upstream. I read about it and also an answer that as long as "Pocket" is not used it won't even load in runtime (lazy loading) and therefore the bloat argument does not really exist. UI bloat I agree a bit with but I found it rather easy to remove the icon. Other references: http://venturebeat.com/2015/06/09/mozilla-responds-to-firefox-user-backlash-... Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/20/2015 12:59 AM, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Other references: http://venturebeat.com/2015/06/09/mozilla-responds-to-firefox-user-backlash-...
One would think, unless the new wet-behind-the-ears devs are utterly too arrogant to hear, that would be telling them something...... Regardless, sad to see Mozilla join the ranks of google, as organizations I can no longer trust upgrades from. On the upside, it finally got bad enough for me to find a viable alternative in qupzilla (total source code size 3.6M -- with git overhead) git clone git://github.com/QupZilla/qupzilla.git qupzilla -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 20.07.2015 um 08:11 schrieb David C. Rankin:
On 07/20/2015 12:59 AM, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Other references: http://venturebeat.com/2015/06/09/mozilla-responds-to-firefox-user-backlash-...
One would think, unless the new wet-behind-the-ears devs are utterly too arrogant to hear, that would be telling them something......
Regardless, sad to see Mozilla join the ranks of google, as organizations I can no longer trust upgrades from.
On the upside, it finally got bad enough for me to find a viable alternative in qupzilla (total source code size 3.6M -- with git overhead)
git clone git://github.com/QupZilla/qupzilla.git qupzilla
I'm not arguing that it might be smaller but what you are comparing is apples and oranges. qupzilla is using QtWebEngine and/or QtWebKit. you have to add this component to your size comparison as well. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/20/2015 02:22 AM, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
I'm not arguing that it might be smaller but what you are comparing is apples and oranges. qupzilla is using QtWebEngine and/or QtWebKit. you have to add this component to your size comparison as well.
Oh! Does that mean its more "KDE Friendly" than the heavily GTK-ized (aka Gnome oriented) Firefox? -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 20.07.2015 um 13:47 schrieb Anton Aylward:
On 07/20/2015 02:22 AM, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
I'm not arguing that it might be smaller but what you are comparing is apples and oranges. qupzilla is using QtWebEngine and/or QtWebKit. you have to add this component to your size comparison as well.
Oh!
Does that mean its more "KDE Friendly" than the heavily GTK-ized (aka Gnome oriented) Firefox?
Hmm, I would call it a "stripped Chromium with a UI similar to Firefox" browser. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/20/2015 07:47 AM, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 07/20/2015 02:22 AM, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
I'm not arguing that it might be smaller but what you are comparing is apples and oranges. qupzilla is using QtWebEngine and/or QtWebKit. you have to add this component to your size comparison as well.
Oh!
Does that mean its more "KDE Friendly" than the heavily GTK-ized (aka Gnome oriented) Firefox?
This is my main objection/impediment to moving from FF to Qup https://github.com/QupZilla/qupzilla/issues/1130 There's a tinge of arrogance as in "Not Invented here" in that. Importing bookmarks is OK, importing passwords isn't. -- I suspect that, over time, all bureaucratic processes decay into cargo cults unless regularly challenged by a hostile reality. -- Alan Rocker 2001-11-23 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-20 07:48, David C. Rankin wrote:
It just strikes me as utterly arrogant for an open-source project, and the developers in particular, to stray so far from what the core of a project was to be choosing for me what add-ons I have on my tool bar. We are all big boys and girls and are all well aware of where to get add-ons for Firefox should we choose to.
It is not openSUSE who added that thing, it was upstream. If openSUSE packagers remove it, then people coming from Windows or from other Linux distributions, or those that install Firefox directly from them, would notice the missing features and ask "why?" As to why would Mozilla people add it, then, why not? They also added the calendar to Thunderbird. They are adding things by default that they think many people may consider useful, and thus gain points over the competition. I guess that they have an statistics of what addons do people add more. Either by counting the downloads, or via telemetry feature. I don't think they add random features. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWszHUACgkQja8UbcUWM1yh4gEAgARGMgGQthJAI5v4wQb9UkAH Ege7U5uzPwraXvQZE0cA/0M6wvQOintv1tJXFzo2tYYbaUqiFTaVqSru5uFt3Mjw =PiZu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/20/2015 01:48 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
It is subjective,
But... a line is crossed when what is packaged directs you to a 3rd party site to create a new account and divulge yet more personal information, which without any stretch of the imagination, will lead to yet more unwelcome and unwanted spam, subject you (knowingly in this case) to yet more collection of your browsing habits, (and god knows what else in the unknowing part).
+ 10^6
...
which would end up with greatly improved performance for Firefox-core that no longer consumes 4-18% of the CPU at idle.
Two things: 1. The number of tabs seems to be a key factor, firstly the number overall, secondly the number 'active'. 2. That seems to apply to 'Chrome, both google-chrome and chromium, total number of tabs. Mind you, I find both of the above more awkward and less responsive than FF is when FF is started, even when FF is started with >40 tabs. An example of the latter: If I have FF running and I have google-chrome running then for each .... If I start a new local html page such as a TiddlyWikki file the FF starts almost immediately even though I have over a dozen addons. The chrome only has a couple - adblock being one, but the lag at startup, presumably something to do with JavaScript processing, is a couple of seconds. I see similar lag accessing many 'commercial' web sites. The ZD*NET and other "tech/news" sites have automatically generated HTML that is far from optimum and heavy in many layers of CSS and JavaScript. FF does a good job of both parallel fetching and what might be termed 'deferred execution'. Perhaps my inexperience with chrome means I don't have it so well configured. I'd accept advice on that front. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-07-20 07:14, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/save-web-pages-later-pocket-firefox
This
link is more informative than the one that opens from the button (https://getpocket.com/firefox_learnmore). Thanks.
When blatant unrelated garbage like this is pushed on to the toolbar, can openSuSE package a clean version without it? It is getting pathetic....
Who defines what is clean? I removed the icon after first use as well but it seems to be a feature people wanted to have. Even if those were different people as subscribed here.
I want to try it :-) One of the supported devices is Kobo, and I have one. I saw the button in the kobo for "pocket" many months ago, and I had no idea what it was for... now I do, and I want to try it. Whether I will later keep it or not, I don't know. One thing I still do not know, is the difference between "sign up with firefox" and "sign up with email". :-? - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlWsyvwACgkQja8UbcUWM1zYDwD+JO9uKj86T/bJQEmeAdyNM8DM lAxeejRkXYVx8CgyMH0A/jNjAXn39W+sOXW/JkGeL82gJINRuBR9ygfoYPgoS8wi =cySY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 El 2015-07-20 a las 12:18 +0200, Carlos E. R. escribió: (pocket)
I want to try it :-)
One of the supported devices is Kobo, and I have one. I saw the button in the kobo for "pocket" many months ago, and I had no idea what it was for... now I do, and I want to try it. Whether I will later keep it or not, I don't know.
Well, I got an account and I'm trying it.
One thing I still do not know, is the difference between "sign up with firefox" and "sign up with email". :-?
It turns out that the difference is important. I got an account, saved a page, and then tried to connect on my Kobo touch. Impossible! It always said wrong password or login, and deleted what I had typed, so that I could not verify my typing. And the password always appears as dots, no way to verify. I tried about six times, impossible. I gave up. Then I tried on my tablet. Same error. I noticed a tap for help,. when there. Well, it appears that if you get a firefox login, you don't really have a password, and you can only login in devices that have an specific "login with firefox" button. The tablet has this, so I tried that way, and worked. The help mentions that to login "normally" you have to reset the password. So I did that, entered the same password, and then, with exactly the same login/pass, the kobo touch also connected! Seems very strange to me. But it works. And I can read saved articles in the kobo touch ereader, without internet connection, which is what I wanted. - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF0EAREIAAYFAlWu8AcACgkQja8UbcUWM1yqyQD+KM6BxhF3aXor3GCsydiP+Sjs I78rwZjZAC9PghyxBoUA90uAMHZDXFLjcGm1xPAN8hEyTmbF/z6LNwkN4xZB908= =8wd1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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Anton Aylward -
Billie Walsh -
Carlos E. R. -
David C. Rankin -
Felix Miata -
gumb -
Patrick Shanahan -
toothpik -
Wolfgang Rosenauer