[SLE] DeCSS whats your opinion?
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This function also has ASP code. var launch = ""; var ht = ""; var wid = ""; if (launch) { if (!ht) { ht = "400"; } if (!wid) { wid = "520"; } OpenChildWindow(launch,'child','status,height='+ht+',width='+wid); } //--> </script> </TD></TR></TABLE><img src=/site_elements/nav_base1.gif border=0 width=92 height=23></form><!--noskinny--></TD><TD width=8 ALIGN=LEFT valign=top rowspan=6><img src=/site_elements/nav_shadow.gif border=0 ALT=""><br><img src=/site_elements/nav_base2.gif border=0 width=8 height=23 ALT=""></TD><TD width=20 ALIGN=LEFT valign=top rowspan=6><img src=/site_elements/nav_notch.gif border=0 ALT=""></TD><TD WIDTH="492" COLSPAN=2 ALIGN=LEFT VALIGN=TOP HEIGHT=53><img src=/site_elements/bantop_COMARCHIVETEC.gif border=0 ALT="" usemap=#NavBanner></TD></TR> <TR><TD><TABLE CELLPADDING=0 CELLSPACING=0 WIDTH=472 BORDER=0><TR><TD COLSPAN=3 valign=top align=left width=472><FONT SIZE=6 FACE="TIMES NEW ROMAN, GEORGIA, TIMES" COLOR="#CC0000">Judge doesnt block DVD copiers</FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD COLSPAN=3 valign=top align=left heiwidth=472> </TD></TR><TR><TD valign=top align=left width=132><FONT SIZE=3 FACE="Arial, Trebuchet MS, Helvetica" COLOR="000000"><B>Industry grouphad sought<BR>to halt spread<BR>of encryption-<BR>busting software<BR>until start of trial</B></FONT></TD><TD valign=top align=left width=10> </TD><TD valign=top rowspan=2 align=left width=330><IMG SRC="497249.jpg" HEIGHT=231 WIDTH=300 border=0 ALT="Photo: Toshiba DVD player"></TD></TR> <TR><TD valign=bottom align=left width=132><FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Arial, Trebuchet MS, Helvetica" COLOR="#000000">A Toshiba DVD player: the suit says code-cracking software threatens the viability of the format.</FONT><BR><IMG SRC="/Site_Elements/clear.gif" BORDER=0 WIDTH=132 HEIGHT=10></TD><TD valign=top align=left width=10> </TD></TR><TR><TD COLSPAN=3 width=472 height=20> </TD></TR><TR><TD COLSPAN=3 valign="bottom" align="right" width=472><FONT SIZE=3 FACE="TIMES NEW ROMAN, GEORGIA, TIMES" COLOR="#CC0000"><FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Arial, Trebuchet MS, Helvetica" COLOR="000000">ASSOCIATED PRESS</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE width=472 border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><TR><TD COLSPAN=3 HEIGHT=5> </TD> </TR><TR><TD COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=472 VALIGN=TOP ALIGN=LEFT><FONT SIZE=4 FACE="TIMES NEW ROMAN, GEORGIA, TIMES" COLOR="000000">SAN FRANCISCO, Dec. 30 </FONT> <FONT SIZE=5 FACE="TIMES NEW ROMAN, GEORGIA, TIMES" COLOR="000000">A judge on Wednesday denied an electronics industry groups bid to temporarily halt distribution of software that removes security encryption from DVD videos. 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The case is scheduled to go to court Jan. 14. The software, called DeCSS, allows users to unlock the security code on DVDs and copy movies to personal computers that dont have the DVDs decryption keys. The association alleges that distributing either the software or the codes is an unauthorized use of the groups trade secrets. But many site programmers who posted the program said they were simply providing software to play DVDs on computers with Linux operating systems. People have a legal right to play the materials that theyve already purchased in a different format, said Tara Lemmey, president of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a San Francisco-based nonprofit organization that seeks to protect civil liberties and free speech on the Internet. The lawsuit, however, says protecting the DVD encryption technology is critical to the future of DVDs. Without such copy protection, the motion picture companies would not have allowed their copyrighted motion pictures to be available in this new digital video format, the lawsuit says. Courts have repeatedly found that consumers can make personal copies of material they have purchased, such as copying a music compact disc onto a cassette tape. But judges have yet to weigh in on newer technologies, such as DVDs, which offer higher quality sound and video than videocassettes. <FONT FACE="Times New Roman,Times" SIZE=3><B> RUNNING PAST THE LAW</FONT></B></FONT> </TD> <TD WIDTH=53> <!--- **** EMPTY CELL FOR SPACING *****---> </TD> </TR> <TR> <TD ALIGN=right WIDTH=34 VALIGN=top> <!--- Empty cell for spacing ---> </TD> <TD WIDTH=136 VALIGN=TOP ALIGN=left> <FONT FACE="Times New Roman, Georgia, Times" SIZE=4 color="#CC0000"> <script language="JavaScript"> function AdConDown(oObj) { var sValue = oObj.options[oObj.selectedIndex].value; if(sValue=="gifts") { location.href="http://eshop.msn.com/giftfinder/giftfinder.asp"; } else { location.href="http://eshop.msn.com/category.asp?catId="+sValue; } } </script> <TABLE CELLPADDING=0 CELLSPACING=0 BORDER=0 WIDTH=120> <TR><TD COLSPAN=3 ALIGN=CENTER><FONT SIZE=1 FACE="arial,helvetica">Advertisement</FONT></TD></TR> <TR> <TD COLSPAN=3><A HREF="http://eshop.msn.com/category.asp"></A><IMG SRC="/ads/a_column_ads/graphics/shop_top.gif" WIDTH=120 HEIGHT=90 HSPACE=0 VSPACE=0 BORDER=0></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD WIDTH=1 BGCOLOR=A8A8A8 ROWSPAN=2><IMG SRC="/site_elements/clear.gif" WIDTH=1 HEIGHT=1 HSPACE=0 VSPACE=0 BORDER=0></TD> <TD WIDTH=2><IMG SRC="/site_elements/clear.gif" WIDTH=117 HEIGHT=1 HSPACE=0 VSPACE=0 BORDER=0></TD> <TD WIDTH=2 BGCOLOR=A8A8A8 ROWSPAN=2><IMG SRC="/site_elements/clear.gif" WIDTH=2 HEIGHT=1 HSPACE=0 VSPACE=0 BORDER=0></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD><TABLE CELLPADDING=0 CELLSPACING=0 BORDER=0 WIDTH=117> <TR> <FORM name=frmAdGifts> <TD WIDTH=96><FONT SIZE=-1><CENTER> <SELECT WIDTH=96 STYLE="width:96;font-size:8pt;background:#F3F3FF" NAME="catId"> <OPTION VALUE="gifts">Quick Gifts</OPTION> <OPTION VALUE="24">Books</OPTION> <OPTION VALUE="23">Music & Video</OPTION> <OPTION VALUE="11">Flowers</OPTION> <OPTION VALUE="256">Software</OPTION> <OPTION VALUE="255">Hardware</OPTION> <OPTION VALUE="shop">More . . .</OPTION> </SELECT></FONT> <a href=javascript:AdConDown(document.frmAdGifts.catId);> <IMAGE SRC="/ads/a_column_ads/graphics/shop_go.gif" ALIGN=RIGHT WIDTH=20 HEIGHT=20 BORDER=0></a></SPAN></CENTER></TD> </FORM> </TR> </TABLE></TD> </TR> <TR> <TD COLSPAN=3 HEIGHT=12><IMG SRC="/ads/a_column_ads/graphics/shop_bot2.gif" WIDTH=120 HEIGHT=12 HSPACE=0 VSPACE=0 BORDER=0></TD> </TR> </TABLE> </FONT> <FONT FACE="Arial, Trebuchet MS, Helvetica" SIZE=2 color="#000000"> <B></B></FONT> <FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Arial, Trebuchet MS, Helvetica" COLOR="#000000"> </FONT> </TD> <TD ALIGN=right WIDTH=23 VALIGN=top> <!--- Empty cell for spacing---> </TD> <TD WIDTH=361 ALIGN=left VALIGN=top> <FONT FACE="Times New Roman, Georgia, Times" SIZE=3> Ron Coolley, a Chicago-based intellectual property lawyer, said that even if the DVD Copy Control Association succeeded in shutting down the Web sites providing DeCSS, the code has been revealed and likely would flourish until better encryption technologies were developed. Its an example of technology running past the law, Coolley said. There are legal means of stopping this or trying to slow it down, but unfortunately the Internet moves at the speed of light. The primary worry by industry officials is that, once copied, the video will be freely distributed over the Internet. Similar concerns have been raised by the music industry, which has been striving to combat widespread music piracy as increasingly available technology makes it easy to spread high-quality digital music files in formats such as MP3. Earlier this month, Matsushita Electric Industrial Co. decided to delay production of DVD audio/video players from its Panasonic and JVC subsidiaries by six months because of the DeCSS program, despite strong advance sales. The industry organization DVD Video Group projects nearly 4 million homes will have installed such players by years end. <I>© 2000 Associated Press. All rights reserved. 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I think it's going to make the signal-to-noise ratio drop significantly is what I think. :) Seriously, it doesn't belong on the SuSE list, especially as HTML (complete with ad links no less). There are other forums where this is much more appropriate. steganos said:
heres an attached html breifley explains the situation for those who havent heard yet... i just wanted to hear other peoples thoughts on the subject..
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i appoligize for the add links, i didnt see that it sent it that way til i recieved a copy of it myself it actually deals with linux cause thats what they used to break it with/for.. anyways enough said from me i dont wanna start an argument ... later people.. John Grant wrote:
I think it's going to make the signal-to-noise ratio drop significantly is what I think. :)
Seriously, it doesn't belong on the SuSE list, especially as HTML (complete with ad links no less). There are other forums where this is much more appropriate.
steganos said:
heres an attached html breifley explains the situation for those who havent heard yet... i just wanted to hear other peoples thoughts on the subject..
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steganos wrote:
i appoligize for the add links, i didnt see that it sent it that way til i recieved a copy of it myself it actually deals with linux cause thats what they used to break it with/for.. anyways enough said from me i dont wanna start an argument ... later people..
Rick Moen wrote an excellent article on it a couple days ago. What it comes down to is the DVD recordable media costs $50, plus the thousands$$$ for the DVD writer and a lot of time to copy a DVD, and you don't need to decode or decrypt anything to do it. How much does an original DVD cost? $20-$30? Am I going to pay $50 to make a copy? No. The whole point is moot. The issue at hand is not DVD duplication. Here's the article: http://www.opendvd.org/rickletter.html -- George Toft http://www.georgetoft.com -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
I didn't look to see where it came from. I thought it was spam. Please keep it off the list. John Grant wrote:
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yes, i agree, FLAME ON!! "Michael H. Collins" wrote:
I didn't look to see where it came from. I thought it was spam. Please keep it off the list.
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steganos wrote:
heres an attached html breifley explains the situation for those who havent heard yet... i just wanted to hear other peoples thoughts on the subject..
Please please, DONT'T attach web pages. Netscape will open the stuff and cause unnessesarry dialouts. Just give the adress instead. Juergen -- =========================================== __ _ Juergen Braukmann juergen.braukmann@gmx.de| -o)/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ Tel: 0201-743648 dk4jb@db0qs.#nrw.deu.eu | /\\ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / ===========================================_\_v __/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/Support/Doku/FAQ/
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