On Saturday 03 March 2001 02:55, Michael Perry wrote:

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Quoting Jeroen Verstegen on Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 08:50:42AM +0100:

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It's a bit outdated, but I just came across this.

http://www.microsoft.com/NTServer/nts/news/msnw/LinuxMyths.asp

Any comments?

jeroen@jota.nl http://www.jota.nl

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I have seen these so many times from here and there. I think the ratio of my concern has dropped to the level where when I read something called LinuxMyths from a microsoft website I take it with a grain of salt :)

Now, I would like to take a pound of that salt and send it off to the court now hearing the antitrust case...

Michael,

Well one advantage NT has over Linux is that you don't heve to make a whole bunch of choices when compiling the kernel. I just went through that

It means you only have to buy one pack rather than one for each machine type you want to use it on, and darned cheap at that. If all you only want it for is a straight system, just take the defaults. scsijon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven T. Hatton" To: "Suse Mailinglist" Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] Win NT vs Linux little

exercise and you'd think the darn thing was intended to run of an IBM mainframe or something! Sheez, they've even got support for the IBM RISC file systems. What the heck am I supposed to do wtih that?

Steve

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LOL! Thanks for the funny thoughts before I go to bed :-). Wish I was that sharp at this time of night (for me anyway). Matt Wanting to get MCSE by tomorrow too. MCSE = Must Call Support Everyday On Saturday 03 March 2001 02:05, Steven T. Hatton wrote:

On Saturday 03 March 2001 04:43, scsijon wrote:

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It means you only have to buy one pack rather than one for each machine type you want to use it on, and darned cheap at that. If all you only want it for is a straight system, just take the defaults.

scsijon

Jon,

Oh, you mean I can simply stick in a DVD that came out last month instead of 4 years ago, install the system and not mess with the kernel? Yeah, that's porbably true. Never lasted very long in my hands that way, but that's just me. I think we should all learn a lesson from Microsoft here. They set out to make an OS that was highly protable, easily modifiable, robust, secure, etc., etc. They've put in millions if not billions to accomplish this. How on earth can we expect a bunch of internet hackers to do this if *they* can't? I mean. let's get real, MS has retreated from every architecture other than the one they started on.

And multiple file systems? They've proven that maintaining compatability between 3 is impossible, how can we expect Linux to support, what is it 64, 100? We all need to get real here. What advantage is there to being able to run on everything from a cellphone to an IBM Mainframe wtih the same basic OS technology? I mean, who cares if you can write the same code and it ports painlessly to every hardware platform on the planet. Or that the kernel can accept a new driver or file system with virtually not modification?

I mean really, I'm going to go finish my MCSE training tomorrow, I'm done with linux. ;-)

Steve

On Saturday 03 March 2001 14:48, you wrote:

On Saturday 03 March 2001 04:09, Matthew Johnson wrote:

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LOL! Thanks for the funny thoughts before I go to bed :-). Wish I was that sharp at this time of night (for me anyway).

Matt Wanting to get MCSE by tomorrow too. MCSE = Must Call Support Everyday

And get their statndard answer: "Reboot!" It's not long before the microsurftie decides to to that for herself. When that's not working the mantra is "install the latest patch". When there are no more patches to install the matnra is "reinstall windows"

It has taken a long time, but I've finally gotten my wife to reboot when it fails (usually once a day if not more). I rebooted this one today just to try the new kernel. Been up for weeks prior to that.

There, I haven't taken any MSCE courses but that's their tool kit in one easy paragraph. JLK

I'll second that.. -- Powered by SuSE 7.0, Kernel 2.4.1

On Saturday 03 March 2001 02:30, Steven T. Hatton wrote:

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Michael,

Well one advantage NT has over Linux is that you don't heve to make a whole bunch of choices when compiling the kernel. I just went through that little exercise and you'd think the darn thing was intended to run of an IBM mainframe or something! Sheez, they've even got support for the IBM RISC file systems. What the heck am I supposed to do wtih that?

Actually it is intended to run a mainframe. Wasn't all the IBM /370 code folded in during the 2.2.x kernel? A whole bunch of file systems. Just use what you need. If you can't decide what you need use modules-)) http://linas.org/linux/i370.html http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/linux390/index.html Nick

** from the outer limits of space and time electrons arranged themselves into a message from Matthew Johnson on Sat, 3 Mar 2001 01:59:45 -0800 Earth Standard Time

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It's a bit outdated, but I just came across this.

http://www.microsoft.com/NTServer/nts/news/msnw/LinuxMyths.asp

Any comments?

jeroen@jota.nl http://www.jota.nl

sorry for the additional >>'s but I lost the start of this thread ... However, much of that info IIRC came from an interview w/ a Japanese reporter for a Tech Paper in Japan... THe Reporter was asking how M$ was going to compete when so many Japanese companies were going over to Linux.. AND especially Linux servers ( which was where M$ has been making inroads into the Business community there ) The M$ answer in part was quated here , especially teh business about the "old" technology , it's built on and it just ins't a "modern" operating system and will not in anyway be able to keep up w/ the things a windows user can do ( like reboot constantly ??? ) THere was alos a paragraph which had me roflmao when I first read it, about how Linux "costs waaay too much and is "uneconommical" for businesses to use !!! ( The reporter asked how anything that was basically free could cost to much , and the answer was the usual M$ jumble of non facts topped off by, "since it isn't safe or econmical to use ( Ie you can't run windwos apps on it ) It costs too much , even if it's free ! hahahahaha In that case if M$ stuff were free , it would cost too much?? I can't run (most) linux apps on it , and it often doesn't even run windows apps either ( depends on the apps being "optimised for the XX version of windows. , or NT or ??? Moon and sunsigns perhaps ?? All of htis is just the usual M$ FUD , perhaps there are more worries than we thought. Not to mention maybe Bill neds ot be less bombastic, probably his outburst were what brought on the little rumble they had up there last week .... j afterthought--- Give me ambiguity or give me something else.

Maybe someone will make an easier to follow kernel config, or it will custom make itself to the hardware that you have running :-). One day you will not have to reboot after kernel rebuild to use the new kernel (I think this is already under way). Matt On Saturday 03 March 2001 01:45, Steven T. Hatton wrote:

On Saturday 03 March 2001 02:50, Jeroen Verstegen wrote:

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It's a bit outdated, but I just came across this.

http://www.microsoft.com/NTServer/nts/news/msnw/LinuxMyths.asp

Any comments?

jeroen@jota.nl http://www.jota.nl

I would say Microsoft have provided us with a very good set of goals to strive for. Great progress has been made, but the ease of use is still an issue. This is simply a question of time and perserverance. Study chapter 5 in the SuSE book!

Steve