I have been trying to load SUSE 10.1 and others like Kubuntu etc. on this brand new HP Pavilion a1440n. Including some livecd's. I see the opening splash screen but then the video dies and that appears to be the end of the installation. Also, I have tried on new harddrives to load XP-PRO and or XP but it also fails very quickly. At one point I used partition magic to look at the harddrive that came with the machine it has XP Media Edition on it. Here is that the partition table looks like. This boots ok. PARTITION TYPE USED MB USED MB UNUSED MB STATUS PRI/LOG *:HP_PAVILION NTFS 229,710.6 22,895.6 206,815.1 Active Primary *: UNALLOCATED 7.8 0 0 NONE Primary *:HP_RECOVERY FAT32 8,754.2 8287.5 466.7 NONE Primary So I took the second disk and duplicated the first line above and then assigning the balance to UNALLOCATED using partition magic. This didn't help at all with installation. I then tried to use the drive that is booting to install XP-PRO but it failed as well in the same place without disturbing the original drive. I have tried two SATA II 260-GB drives. One came with the machine that has the XP Media Edition. I have also tried and IDE drive 160-GB and everything behaves the same. Note: The BIOS sees all these drives just fine and obviously so did Partitition Magic. Question: Has anyone else had problems with these manufactured machines. I never have problems with ones I build. This is a friends machine FYI, and I am trying to help him out. Is it possible that HP built some restriction into the BIOS looking for their RECOVERY Partition and if they don't see something appropriate there they just give up? Cheers, Bob
On Monday 04 September 2006 20:10, Robert Lewis wrote:
I have been trying to load SUSE 10.1 and others like Kubuntu etc. on this brand new HP Pavilion a1440n. Including some livecd's. I see the opening splash screen but then the video dies and that appears to be the end of the installation.
Also, I have tried on new harddrives to load XP-PRO and or XP but it also fails very quickly.
At one point I used partition magic to look at the harddrive that came with the machine it has XP Media Edition on it. Here is that the partition table looks like. This boots ok.
PARTITION TYPE USED MB USED MB UNUSED MB STATUS PRI/LOG *:HP_PAVILION NTFS 229,710.6 22,895.6 206,815.1 Active Primary *: UNALLOCATED 7.8 0 0 NONE Primary *:HP_RECOVERY FAT32 8,754.2 8287.5 466.7 NONE Primary
So I took the second disk and duplicated the first line above and then assigning the balance to UNALLOCATED using partition magic. This didn't help at all with installation.
I then tried to use the drive that is booting to install XP-PRO but it failed as well in the same place without disturbing the original drive.
I have tried two SATA II 260-GB drives. One came with the machine that has the XP Media Edition. I have also tried and IDE drive 160-GB and everything behaves the same. Note: The BIOS sees all these drives just fine and obviously so did Partitition Magic.
Question: Has anyone else had problems with these manufactured machines. I never have problems with ones I build. This is a friends machine FYI, and I am trying to help him out.
Is it possible that HP built some restriction into the BIOS looking for their RECOVERY Partition and if they don't see something appropriate there they just give up?
Cheers, Bob
Hi Bob, I have run into problems attempting to upgrade both HP Pavilion and Compaq Presario (also made by HP) from XP Home/Media Center to XP Pro. The problem is due to the fact that HP is purchasing custom made motherboards from Asus and in these cases the Windows installer does not have the drivers available to perform the install/upgrade. I've gotten blue screens, complaints about bad product ID's, and issues where the installer cannot detect the hard disk. It does not surprise me at all that you are experiencing similar issues when attempting to install Linux. Conversations with HP Tech Support indicate that their consumer grade systems are designed to be as inexpensive as possible, due to this HP will not support OS upgrades (even if it is a Microsoft OS). You would probably be better off building a new system from scratch than trying to get this HP to make nice. Jesse
On Tuesday 05 September 2006 08:18, Jesse L. Purdom wrote:
Hi Bob,
I have run into problems attempting to upgrade both HP Pavilion and Compaq Presario (also made by HP) from XP Home/Media Center to XP Pro. The problem is due to the fact that HP is purchasing custom made motherboards from Asus and in these cases the Windows installer does not have the drivers available to perform the install/upgrade. I've gotten blue screens, complaints about bad product ID's, and issues where the installer cannot detect the hard disk. It does not surprise me at all that you are experiencing similar issues when attempting to install Linux. Conversations with HP Tech Support indicate that their consumer grade systems are designed to be as inexpensive as possible, due to this HP will not support OS upgrades (even if it is a Microsoft OS).
You would probably be better off building a new system from scratch than trying to get this HP to make nice.
Jesse
Bob, Try the failsafe install method. acpi=off apm=off are the parameters that most often get an install done. It costs money to do any trickery in the BIOS and like the support person said these are built as cheap as possible. That includes predicted costs to provide future (non)support also. What my experience tells me is that there isn't a driver for something on this system or there is a configuration parameter being used (possibly in the BIOS) that isn't 'normal'. Failsafe should help here or at least help narrow down where the roadblock is. Been there, done that too with the el-cheapo, consumer level systems from Dell, HP/Compaq, Gateway, etc. These el-cheapo systems are a real pain to find drivers or configs that work for almost any OS except the one they came with. I usually deal with these when they are 2-3 or more years old so Linux drivers are most often available for them. A brand new system usually takes at least 6 months before Linux drivers are available for most of the main components. Google is your best friend here. Keep that original hard drive safe because it is a valuable source of information on the hardware; manufacturer, model, parameters for IRQ, memory, PCI info, etc. With all that extra space on it, have you tried to install SUSE 10.1 by shrinking that NTFS partition - after a good/reliable backup? Stan
On Tuesday 05 September 2006 10:11, Stan Glasoe wrote:
Been there, done that too with the el-cheapo, consumer level systems from Dell, HP/Compaq, Gateway, etc. These el-cheapo systems are a real pain First, I feel that the negative hispanic reference above here is not appropriate. Second, the HP S7400N is a state-of-the-art system comprised of state-of-the-art components fit neatly together in a compact package for a very reasonable price. While it is true that the system cannot really be upgraded (except memory maybe) its an excellent Linux system [Suse10 runs great out-of-box] that has 512 main memory, 160GB main storage, five usb slots, firewire slot, combo memory stick slots (front accessable) on-board ethernet high definition (absolutely beautiful) sound system--- all for the grand BestBuy sale price of $399.00/ its a fantastic piece of hardware (quality in every respect, including the rugged case) and has a tiny footprint. Did I mention that Suse 10.0 runs beautifully on it... out of box?
-- Kind regards, M Harris <>< harrismh777@earthlink.net
* M Harris <harrismh777@earthlink.net> [09-06-06 17:45]:
On Tuesday 05 September 2006 10:11, Stan Glasoe wrote:
Been there, done that too with the el-cheapo, consumer level systems from Dell, HP/Compaq, Gateway, etc. These el-cheapo systems are a real pain First, I feel that the negative hispanic reference above here is not appropriate.
'el-cheapo' /= 'negative hispanic reference' google for it.
Second, the HP S7400N is a state-of-the-art system comprised of state-of-the-art components fit neatly together in a compact package for a
work for them/selling them/own lot'sa stock ??? no 'state-of-the-art' computer system/box sells for $399 google for it. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
On Wednesday 06 September 2006 16:55, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
no 'state-of-the-art' computer system/box sells for $399 google for it. HP Slimline series... you google for it.
Please tell me which of the machine's components (graphics, audio, disk, ethernet, usb, firewire, powersupply, etc.) is not state-of-the -art? Google for it... S7400N HP +Slimline Pls There is a difference between "state-of-the-art" and bleeding edge latest technology... for instance this machine does not have a duo core processor... however, it does have a state-of-the-art 1.6Ghz Celeron M processor with 400Mhz front side bus and 1 MB L2 cache... and yes, its lighting fast... computes pi=16*a(1/5) - 4*a(1/239) in just over 390ms to 1000 digits of accuracy (send the equation to bc with a scale of 1004) time echo "scale=1004; 16*a(1/5)-4*a(1/239)" |bc -lq Try it on your expensive system... Anyway, this system is very inexpensive, yet is a full function computer (with Suse 10.0 running on it) in 1/3 the typical size and for easily 1/5 the typical price for performance. So... call it cheap.... use whatever inappropriate cultural slur to accomplish same... and go ahead and pay $2000+ for your next system... or... google for a better price-performance-configuration option and have a state-of-the-art system for less money that's lightning fast and does everything the $2000 system does... whatever. -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< harrismh777@earthlink.net
On Wednesday 06 September 2006 16:45, M Harris wrote:
On Tuesday 05 September 2006 10:11, Stan Glasoe wrote:
Been there, done that too with the el-cheapo, consumer level systems from Dell, HP/Compaq, Gateway, etc. These el-cheapo systems are a real pain
First, I feel that the negative hispanic reference above here is not appropriate.
You are serious about this? Did you look "el cheapo" up in any reference at all? My bad with the hyphenation, yes, that was wrong. Is "cheap" a negative English reference? Stan
What turned out to be the cause of the screen going into sleep mode right after the Install screen pops up was that the NVIDIA card wouldn't handle the 1024 X 768 in install mode. I tried first doing a text only install and watching the error messages and everything went smoothly. Then I tried to reinstall with 800 X 640 and all went well. Recognized the harddrive and installation went smoothly. When the install was completed I was able to bump the resolution to 1024 X 768 and I am sure further if need be. I learned an important lesson here and thank all that responded. Cheers, Bob
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