[opensuse] Re: IPv6 in Firefox: does it work? [Was: What is the proper entry for /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1?]
Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Wednesday, 2011-01-05 at 12:24 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
But if I write in firefox:
http://FE80::21E:BFF:FE08:4CCB
I'm refered to a google page instead of my printer. So, linux is not IPv6 aware >:-)
Try this instead:
Same thing :-(
cer@Telcontar:~> ping6 "FE80::21E:BFF:FE08:4CCB" connect: Invalid argument cer@Telcontar:~> ping6 "FE80\:\:21E\:BFF\:FE08\:4CCB" unknown host
Yes, the link-local address can't be used like that - TBH, I don't know why. For ping6, you need to specify the interface:
ping6 -I ethX FE80::21E:BFF:FE08:4CCB
And that shall be _better_ than plain ol' ping? To all the IPv6 proponents here: Don't tell users what one *can* technically do. We've read it a thousand times, it's getting annoying. Tell users what the advantage of switching to IPv6 is *now* for home or SOHO scenarios. What does one get by using a tunnel, besides experience? And while getting experience might be of interest for network engineers or people who admin networks at large institutions, it doesn't mean a lot for the majority of openSUSE users. They didn't need experience for IPv4 -- why should they need experience with IPv6 at once? If they really would need it, it would be proof that IPv6 is really much worse than IPv6. So ``getting experience'' is not a valid reason to switch now. Oh, and please don't tell ``all will be good and everything works'', that ain't the case. If you do so, you're a fanboy, and don't act professional. Tell about the problems that one enounters during switching and how they can be solved. Yes, we'll have to go to IPv6 eventually, but the user experience now is just crap. http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/09/there-is-no-plan-b-why-the-ipv4... has a nice and adequate representation. The transition once was planned to go via dual-stack for several years; but this plan has gone down the drain, obviously. Joachim PS: FTR, I know a lot about IPv6, but then that's part of my job -- my company does network consulting. But I don't think that's necessary for home and SOHO users, or even for sysadmins in larger companies that don't have to manage networks. And no, I can't see any reason at all why people like Carlos should switch before their ISP offers them full IPv6 connectivity. I surely won't do in my home network. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Joachim Schrod Email: jschrod@acm.org Roedermark, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2011-01-06 at 01:36 +0100, Joachim Schrod wrote:
To all the IPv6 proponents here: Don't tell users what one *can* technically do. We've read it a thousand times, it's getting annoying. Tell users what the advantage of switching to IPv6 is *now* for home or SOHO scenarios.
Just so.
PS: FTR, I know a lot about IPv6, but then that's part of my job -- my company does network consulting. But I don't think that's necessary for home and SOHO users, or even for sysadmins in larger companies that don't have to manage networks. And no, I can't see any reason at all why people like Carlos should switch before their ISP offers them full IPv6 connectivity. I surely won't do in my home network.
Yep. I'm curious about IPv6, but if I can't even connect to my printer, I don't see that I gain anything. It may be because I know nothing about it, but that will be the case for most people. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk0lL68ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9Vt6wCeMho84qqKAcQf8b40/UzGhJmF wVYAn3DrgaIpJrWVZzlDr8YWNrqipUPQ =48Kc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I'm curious about IPv6, but if I can't even connect to my printer, I don't see that I gain anything. It may be because I know nothing about it, but that will be the case for most people.
You will only ever gain something if you try to solve the problem. Once you've solved it, you'll know a lot more. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (3.1°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2011-01-06 at 03:57 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On Thursday, 2011-01-06 at 01:36 +0100, Joachim Schrod wrote:
To all the IPv6 proponents here: Don't tell users what one *can* technically do. We've read it a thousand times, it's getting annoying. Tell users what the advantage of switching to IPv6 is *now* for home or SOHO scenarios.
Just so.
PS: FTR, I know a lot about IPv6, but then that's part of my job -- my company does network consulting. But I don't think that's necessary for home and SOHO users, or even for sysadmins in larger companies that don't have to manage networks. And no, I can't see any reason at all why people like Carlos should switch before their ISP offers them full IPv6 connectivity. I surely won't do in my home network.
Yep. I'm curious about IPv6, but if I can't even connect to my printer, I don't see that I gain anything. It may be because I know nothing about it, but that will be the case for most people.
- -- To be honest, the usage boils down different, depending how you use the Net... (content provider vs content user)
Governamental organisations (usa, in) are forced to have their information they distribute on V6. For usa it is for both v4 and v6. But in india they are not allowed to start new services on v4..... So _if_ you have any connections with organisations in india, you might already be confronted with "unreachable" sites. otoh, if you are a contractor doing business for organisations in either of those countries, you will simply be forced, or loose contracts. If neither applies to you, well, there is is enough sand around ;-> It certainly looks farfatched to have an IPv6-enabled printer, at least for the end user. But otoh, for a large organisation with printers that otherwise would be natted, for a service point-of-view it might be handy to be able to reach them all direcly. But that probably doesn't apply to you, i presume ;-) For us, mere mortals in the old world, where ripencc has more than enough reserves, we just have time to get prepared. Just like you wrote yourself, and i quote: ""It may be because I know nothing about it, but that will be the case for most people."" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-01-06 09:12, Hans Witvliet wrote:
To be honest, the usage boils down different, depending how you use the Net... (content provider vs content user)
... That is the case. I don't have, as far as I know, to connect to any site that is on IPv6 only. If I had to, I guess I would learn how to use a tunnel. When that becomes more common, I hope that ISPs around the world start providing tunnels, gateways, routers, whatever. They will be forced to, I hope.
It certainly looks farfatched to have an IPv6-enabled printer, at least for the end user.
I was simply attempting to try v6 "in house", it is the only thing I have that I know has IPv6, besides this linux.
But otoh, for a large organisation with printers that otherwise would be natted, for a service point-of-view it might be handy to be able to reach them all direcly. But that probably doesn't apply to you, i presume ;-)
No, it doesn't :-)
For us, mere mortals in the old world, where ripencc has more than enough reserves, we just have time to get prepared. Just like you wrote yourself, and i quote:
""It may be because I know nothing about it, but that will be the case for most people.""
:-) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk0l+HYACgkQtTMYHG2NR9W4XQCgmHg1v3FYN2aSIK7FlxZUY7KY rG8AnR1YKAGxt7jKuW5CeKyGeiJQG2Ni =SESo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hans Witvliet wrote:
It certainly looks farfatched to have an IPv6-enabled printer It'd be easy enough to access that printer, if he had an IPv6 subnet set up. Using the link local address makes things a bit more difficult.
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Yep. I'm curious about IPv6, but if I can't even connect to my printer, I don't see that I gain anything. It may be because I know nothing about it, but that will be the case for most people. IPv6 won't give a lot for accessing your printer. IPv4 local addresses do just fine for that. However, the issue is there are simply not enough IPv4 addresses to meet todays needs, particularly with 4G phones on the way. They'll be VoIP only and require a real IP address to work
Carlos E. R. wrote: properly. Of course servers etc. will need addresses and there are already plenty of people in this world who cannot get an IPv4 address for home or work. Clinging to IPv4 only makes that problem worse. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Joachim Schrod wrote:
Per Jessen wrote:
Yes, the link-local address can't be used like that - TBH, I don't know why. For ping6, you need to specify the interface:
ping6 -I ethX FE80::21E:BFF:FE08:4CCB
And that shall be _better_ than plain ol' ping?
Nope, I wasn't suggesting anything like that.
To all the IPv6 proponents here: Don't tell users what one *can* technically do. We've read it a thousand times, it's getting annoying. Tell users what the advantage of switching to IPv6 is *now* for home or SOHO scenarios.
There aren't any. I think it must quite clear to most people that the plain user of an internet connection couldn't care less whether it is IPv4, IPv6 or RFC1149. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (3.0°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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