[opensuse] 11.0 ......a BIG update gotcha!!
DON'T update the kernel in 11.0 as there's an excellent chance that when Grub tries to startup the system, it won't boot!! This is repeatedly what I get with 11.0 64-bit. Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2008-05-26 at 16:10 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
DON'T update the kernel in 11.0 as there's an excellent chance that when Grub tries to startup the system, it won't boot!! This is repeatedly what I get with 11.0 64-bit.
Fred
It was known and should be fixed by now.. -- Kevin "Yo" Dupuy | Public Mail <kevin.dupuy@opensuse.org> | Yo.media: 225-590-5961 Swift Change for a Green Future: Kat Swift for President www.VoteSwift.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kevin Dupuy wrote:
On Mon, 2008-05-26 at 16:10 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
DON'T update the kernel in 11.0 as there's an excellent chance that when Grub tries to startup the system, it won't boot!! This is repeatedly what I get with 11.0 64-bit.
Fred
It was known and should be fixed by now..
'Glad to hear that it was known.....but wasn't fixed as of late last night! Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 26.05.2008 at 23:10, "Fred A. Miller" <fmiller@lightlink.com> wrote: DON'T update the kernel in 11.0 as there's an excellent chance that when Grub tries to startup the system, it won't boot!! This is repeatedly what I get with 11.0 64-bit.
Fred
Fred, This is a known bug and is mentioned hundreds of time already on the Factory Mailinglist, where all comments about 11.0 at the moment belong. Or did I miss that 11.0 is already releasesd? Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
On 26.05.2008 at 23:10, "Fred A. Miller" <fmiller@lightlink.com> wrote: DON'T update the kernel in 11.0 as there's an excellent chance that when Grub tries to startup the system, it won't boot!! This is repeatedly what I get with 11.0 64-bit.
Fred
Fred,
This is a known bug and is mentioned hundreds of time already on the Factory Mailinglist, where all comments about 11.0 at the moment belong. Or did I miss that 11.0 is already releasesd?
I'm not on the "factory list," so have no idea. Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Fred Miller <fmiller@lightlink.com> [05-28-08 15:11]:
I'm not on the "factory list," so have no idea.
Then join, Fred. The "factory list" is to discuss use and problems related to ll.0. And you will get better answers there as that is where the "action" is. This list, iiuc, is for discussion of *released* products plus... -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
On 26.05.2008 at 23:10, "Fred A. Miller" <fmiller@lightlink.com> wrote:
DON'T update the kernel in 11.0 as there's an excellent chance that when Grub tries to startup the system, it won't boot!! This is repeatedly what I get with 11.0 64-bit.
Fred
Fred,
This is a known bug and is mentioned hundreds of time already on the Factory Mailinglist, where all comments about 11.0 at the moment belong. Or did I miss that 11.0 is already releasesd?
Dominique
I don't believe this answer...... If it is a known bug and has been mentioned "hundreds of time already on the Factory Mailinglist" then why, in the name of common sense and the Einstein factor, is the kernel sitting in the factory repository and is allowed to be selected by zypper - and smart for that matter - as an upgrade to the original when the darn thing is a piece of useless rubbish?! The kernel is dated 23 May and today is 28 May -- and it's still sitting there (as of a 30 seconds ago). Perplexed from OZ. -- Vulgar language is the linguistic crutch of inarticulate persons. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 28.05.2008 at 12:03, Basil Chupin <blchupin@tpg.com.au> wrote: Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
On 26.05.2008 at 23:10, "Fred A. Miller" <fmiller@lightlink.com> wrote:
DON'T update the kernel in 11.0 as there's an excellent chance that when Grub tries to startup the system, it won't boot!! This is repeatedly what I get with 11.0 64-bit.
Fred
Fred,
This is a known bug and is mentioned hundreds of time already on the Factory Mailinglist, where all comments about 11.0 at the moment belong. Or did I miss that 11.0 is already releasesd?
Dominique
I don't believe this answer......
If it is a known bug and has been mentioned "hundreds of time already on the Factory Mailinglist" then why, in the name of common sense and the Einstein factor, is the kernel sitting in the factory repository and is allowed to be selected by zypper - and smart for that matter - as an upgrade to the original when the darn thing is a piece of useless rubbish?! The kernel is dated 23 May and today is 28 May -- and it's still sitting there (as of a 30 seconds ago).
Perplexed from OZ.
As you put it nicely in your signature: --> Vulgar language is the linguistic crutch of inarticulate persons. Well: in case you did not realize: we're talking about Factory. The solution is as simple as stated on the Factory list for many times already: add acpi=off as a boot parameter. There will most likely come an updated kernel rpm soon.\ Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
On 28.05.2008 at 12:03, Basil Chupin <blchupin@tpg.com.au> wrote: Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
On 26.05.2008 at 23:10, "Fred A. Miller" <fmiller@lightlink.com> wrote:
DON'T update the kernel in 11.0 as there's an excellent chance that when Grub tries to startup the system, it won't boot!! This is repeatedly what I get with 11.0 64-bit.
Fred
Fred,
This is a known bug and is mentioned hundreds of time already on the Factory Mailinglist, where all comments about 11.0 at the moment belong. Or did I miss that 11.0 is already releasesd? Dominique I don't believe this answer......
If it is a known bug and has been mentioned "hundreds of time already on the Factory Mailinglist" then why, in the name of common sense and the Einstein factor, is the kernel sitting in the factory repository and is allowed to be selected by zypper - and smart for that matter - as an upgrade to the original when the darn thing is a piece of useless rubbish?! The kernel is dated 23 May and today is 28 May -- and it's still sitting there (as of a 30 seconds ago).
Perplexed from OZ.
As you put it nicely in your signature: --> Vulgar language is the linguistic crutch of inarticulate persons.
Well: in case you did not realize: we're talking about Factory. The solution is as simple as stated on the Factory list for many times already: add acpi=off as a boot parameter. There will most likely come an updated kernel rpm soon.\
Wonderful. And, what do you do if you have a laptop? Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 27 May 2008 23:30:32 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Wonderful. And, what do you do if you have a laptop?
Same thing I did. Boot with noacpi=off (or in failsafe mode, failing that) and apply the kernel update from factory:HEAD IIRC. I did a search on Google for the error message I got and found the fix that way. Jim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jim Henderson wrote:
On Tue, 27 May 2008 23:30:32 -0400, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Wonderful. And, what do you do if you have a laptop?
Same thing I did. Boot with noacpi=off (or in failsafe mode, failing that) and apply the kernel update from factory:HEAD IIRC. I did a search on Google for the error message I got and found the fix that way.
'Didn't get enough of an error message to check on it.....just knew it was the kernel. Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred A. Miller" <fmiller@lightlink.com> To: "opensuse" <opensuse@opensuse.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [opensuse] 11.0 ......a BIG update gotcha!!
Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
On 28.05.2008 at 12:03, Basil Chupin <blchupin@tpg.com.au> wrote: Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
> On 26.05.2008 at 23:10, "Fred A. Miller" <fmiller@lightlink.com> wrote: > DON'T update the kernel in 11.0 as there's an excellent chance that when Grub tries to startup the system, it won't boot!! This is repeatedly what I get with 11.0 64-bit.
Fred
Fred,
This is a known bug and is mentioned hundreds of time already on the Factory Mailinglist, where all comments about 11.0 at the moment belong. Or did I miss that 11.0 is already releasesd? Dominique I don't believe this answer......
If it is a known bug and has been mentioned "hundreds of time already on the Factory Mailinglist" then why, in the name of common sense and the Einstein factor, is the kernel sitting in the factory repository and is allowed to be selected by zypper - and smart for that matter - as an upgrade to the original when the darn thing is a piece of useless rubbish?! The kernel is dated 23 May and today is 28 May -- and it's still sitting there (as of a 30 seconds ago).
Perplexed from OZ.
Well: in case you did not realize: we're talking about Factory. The solution is as simple as stated on the Factory list for many times already: add acpi=off as a boot parameter. There will most likely come an updated kernel rpm soon.\
Wonderful. And, what do you do if you have a laptop?
Easy. Stop using beta versions. 11.0 is not a supported product yet. You get to report problems and provide fixes and support, not complain about them and demand fixes and support. Thats why people keep saying "this is factory", and "... as mentioned already on the factory mail list ...", etc. Take the hint. If you're using Factory, discuss it and be kept up to date about it on the Factory mail list (not here), and if it's too buggy for you to use, then, don't use it. Use 10.3 or whatever is the latest released version at a given time, then complain and demand fixes if _that_ doesn't work as advertised. As for not reading every post, you never heard of google? Or the search box on the web interface to the archives of all the mail lists? Good grief.... -- Brian K. White brian@aljex.com http://www.myspace.com/KEYofR +++++[>+++[>+++++>+++++++<<-]<-]>>+.>.+++++.+++++++.-.[>+<---]>++. filePro BBx Linux SCO FreeBSD #callahans Satriani Filk! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
On 28.05.2008 at 12:03, Basil Chupin <blchupin@tpg.com.au> wrote:
Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
On 26.05.2008 at 23:10, "Fred A. Miller" <fmiller@lightlink.com> wrote:
DON'T update the kernel in 11.0 as there's an excellent chance that when Grub tries to startup the system, it won't boot!! This is repeatedly what I get with 11.0 64-bit.
Fred
Fred,
This is a known bug and is mentioned hundreds of time already on the Factory
Mailinglist, where all comments about 11.0 at the moment belong. Or did I miss that 11.0 is already releasesd?
Dominique
I don't believe this answer......
If it is a known bug and has been mentioned "hundreds of time already on the Factory Mailinglist" then why, in the name of common sense and the Einstein factor, is the kernel sitting in the factory repository and is allowed to be selected by zypper - and smart for that matter - as an upgrade to the original when the darn thing is a piece of useless rubbish?! The kernel is dated 23 May and today is 28 May -- and it's still sitting there (as of a 30 seconds ago).
Perplexed from OZ.
As you put it nicely in your signature: --> Vulgar language is the linguistic crutch of inarticulate persons.
Ce?
Well: in case you did not realize: we're talking about Factory. The solution is as simple as stated on the Factory list for many times already: add acpi=off as a boot parameter.
Tried that and other suggestions - as I already mentioned in the this forum - with no effect and had to re-intall 11B3 now at least 3 times in trying out the suggested solutions. Now, since I know that Fred reads this forum why did he have to ask the question about the kernel even though it's been mentioned here 'hundreds of time already"? The answer, of course, is that not everybody religiously reads each and every message not every thread - and especially if the Subject of a thread is not related to the real subject of the thread - as for instance, as seen many times,"Need Help" which conveys absolutely nothing to the reader.
There will most likely come an updated kernel rpm soon.\
Ah, now that would be nice. Can I assume that this will occur tomorrow (29 May, European time) when the RC1 is released? Perplexed from OZ. -- Vulgar language is the linguistic crutch of inarticulate persons. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 28.05.2008 at 12:43, Basil Chupin <blchupin@tpg.com.au> wrote: Dominique Leuenberger wrote: There will most likely come an updated kernel rpm soon.\
Ah, now that would be nice.
Can I assume that this will occur tomorrow (29 May, European time) when the RC1 is released?
I have no idea when a new kernel will hit Factory. From the commit list I know that several updates are checked in. In case those systems were setup from the Beta 3 LiveCDs, you might be hit by bugs: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=392054 and https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=389177 (marked as dup of the previous one). Both are mentioned in the most annoying bugs of 11.0, beta 3 http://en.opensuse.org/Bugs:Most_Annoying_Bugs_11.0_dev One point where the problem / solution with acpi=off was discussed was on http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2008-05/msg00477.html And then: still, this discussion belongs on -factory. Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2008/05/28 at 19:43 (GMT+1000), Basil Chupin complained and complained and complained...
So then on 2008/05/28 12:06 (GMT+0200) Dominique Leuenberger apparently typed:
And then: still, this discussion belongs on -factory.
Exactly. BTW, the 23 May 32 bit kernel works fine for me without needing acpi=off, but if you need 64 bit and it doesn't work, go for a KOTD. That's how I got around the problem before the 23 kernel was available. -- ". . . . in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you . . . ." Matthew 7:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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