Is it possible to trace an email message routing?

des

29 Feb 2004 29 Feb '04

15:57

Is it possible to trace an email message routing? MS Outlook had a useful feature where one could see whether a message had arrived at the recipient, if it had been read/rejected etc. Is it possible to do this? I am currently using KMail. Many thanks, Des Aubery... (www.adtherm.com - des@adtherm.com)

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John Pettigrew

29 Feb 29 Feb

16:06

In a previous message, des wrote:

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Is it possible to trace an email message routing?

MS Outlook had a useful feature where one could see whether a message had arrived at the recipient, if it had been read/rejected etc.

Is it possible to do this? I am currently using KMail.

The feature you're after is "request read receipt". I don't know whether KMail supports it, although there are certainly linux MUAs that do. John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches you!

des

17:01

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Hi John, Perfect... thanks... I now check the 'Confirm Delivery' & 'Confirm Delivery' options for an email. Then either way, I get a response as to whether the email was read (returns read receipt), or deleted without being read (returns simply delivery receipt). I tested this on a few emails to myself... This is a neat trick to test whether the receiving party is receiving the emails, or not. Some folks never seem to receive your email... :-( Regards, Des Aubery... (www.adtherm.com - des@adtherm.com) ------------------------------------------- On Sunday 29 February 2004 23:06, John Pettigrew wrote:

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In a previous message, des wrote:

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Is it possible to trace an email message routing?

MS Outlook had a useful feature where one could see whether a message had arrived at the recipient, if it had been read/rejected etc.

Is it possible to do this? I am currently using KMail.

The feature you're after is "request read receipt". I don't know whether KMail supports it, although there are certainly linux MUAs that do.

John

Dylan

17:38

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On Sunday 29 Feb 2004 17:01 pm, des wrote:

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Hi John,

Perfect... thanks...

I now check the 'Confirm Delivery' & 'Confirm Delivery' options for an email. Then either way, I get a response as to whether the email was read (returns read receipt), or deleted without being read (returns simply delivery receipt). I tested this on a few emails to myself...

This is a neat trick to test whether the receiving party is receiving the emails, or not. Some folks never seem to receive your email... :-(

Unless, of course, the recipient's MUA is configured to ignore such request. So, it's nowhere near reliable and many might consider it a security hole. Dylan -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin

Hartmut Meyer

17:50

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Hi, On Sunday 29 February 2004 18:38, Dylan wrote:

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On Sunday 29 Feb 2004 17:01 pm, des wrote:

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This is a neat trick to test whether the receiving party is receiving the emails, or not. Some folks never seem to receive your email...

:-(

Unless, of course, the recipient's MUA is configured to ignore such request. So, it's nowhere near reliable and many might consider it a security hole.

s/security hole/privacy issue/ Greetings from Bremen hartmut

Dylan

18:05

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On Sunday 29 Feb 2004 17:50 pm, Hartmut Meyer wrote:

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Hi,

On Sunday 29 February 2004 18:38, Dylan wrote:

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On Sunday 29 Feb 2004 17:01 pm, des wrote:

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This is a neat trick to test whether the receiving party is receiving the emails, or not. Some folks never seem to receive your email...

:-(

Unless, of course, the recipient's MUA is configured to ignore such request. So, it's nowhere near reliable and many might consider it a security hole.

s/security hole/privacy issue/

Both - confirmation of a recieving mail address counts as a *potential* security issue in my book. Dylan -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin

Hartmut Meyer

18:47

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Hi, On Sunday 29 February 2004 19:05, Dylan wrote:

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On Sunday 29 Feb 2004 17:50 pm, Hartmut Meyer wrote:

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On Sunday 29 February 2004 18:38, Dylan wrote:

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On Sunday 29 Feb 2004 17:01 pm, des wrote:

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This is a neat trick to test whether the receiving party is receiving the emails, or not. Some folks never seem to receive your email...

:-(

Unless, of course, the recipient's MUA is configured to ignore such request. So, it's nowhere near reliable and many might consider it a security hole.

s/security hole/privacy issue/

Both - confirmation of a recieving mail address counts as a *potential* security issue in my book.

Agreed. But while it is "only" a "potential" security issue, it *is* by definition a privacy issue. Always (but of course, a user might decide he wants it anyway). Greetings from Bremen hartmut

des

17:54

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If the recipient's MUA were so configured to ignore a return receipt - is there any other way to track the email to its destination - or at least into the organisation? Regards, Des Aubery... (www.adtherm.com - des@adtherm.com) On Monday 01 March 2004 00:38, Dylan wrote:

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On Sunday 29 Feb 2004 17:01 pm, des wrote:

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Hi John,

Perfect... thanks...

I now check the 'Confirm Delivery' & 'Confirm Delivery' options for an email. Then either way, I get a response as to whether the email was read (returns read receipt), or deleted without being read (returns simply delivery receipt). I tested this on a few emails to myself...

This is a neat trick to test whether the receiving party is receiving the emails, or not. Some folks never seem to receive your email...

:-(

Unless, of course, the recipient's MUA is configured to ignore such request. So, it's nowhere near reliable and many might consider it a security hole.

Dylan

-- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin

Dylan

17:48

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On Sunday 29 Feb 2004 17:54 pm, des wrote:

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If the recipient's MUA were so configured to ignore a return receipt - is there any other way to track the email to its destination - or at least into the organisation?

If you have access to the SMTP relay's logs you can find out whether the message was recieved at the destination relay, but no more I don't think. Dylan -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin

Carlos E. R.

5 Mar 5 Mar

13:02

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The 2004-03-01 at 00:54 +0700, des wrote:

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If the recipient's MUA were so configured to ignore a return receipt - is there any other way to track the email to its destination - or at least into the organisation?

With sendmail, you could request a "delivery status notification", that was just that, a report by the mail server of whether it had delivered your email and to whom (actually, to what server). This is not supported by postfix. Instead, I look at the logs - that's one of the reasons I prefer to run postfix locally instead of relaying to an ISP (mine doesn't always report back delivery failures). -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

Mike

29 Feb 29 Feb

16:26

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On Sunday 29 February 2004 16:57, des wrote:

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Is it possible to trace an email message routing?

Yes. When you type your reply, check out the Options on the menu. It will add the necessary info so that you can track the message. That being said, return receipts are something that also have to be turned on by the recipient. If the recipient is using kmail, they have to turn this on by choice. Mike

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MS Outlook had a useful feature where one could see whether a message had arrived at the recipient, if it had been read/rejected etc.

Is it possible to do this? I am currently using KMail.

Many thanks, Des Aubery... (www.adtherm.com - des@adtherm.com)

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Ken Schneider

19:09

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-----Original Message----- From: des To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:57:03 +0700 Subject: [SLE] Is it possible to trace an email message routing?

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Is it possible to trace an email message routing?

MS Outlook had a useful feature where one could see whether a message had arrived at the recipient, if it had been read/rejected etc.

Is it possible to do this? I am currently using KMail.

Many thanks, Des Aubery... (www.adtherm.com - des@adtherm.com)

I think most places are not letting this through any more because it makes it to easy for spammers to harvest email addresses. I know that where I work it is not allowed. Ken

Karim

1 Mar 1 Mar

09:00

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I,ve been trying out Menu editor in Suse 9. How do I get back default menu content like system-undermenu and so on? Is there any documentation on KDE-menu and its settings, aside from the fact that ~.kde/share/appInk keeps my personal apps? Thanks! /Karim

Steven T. Hatton

09:08

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I,ve been trying out Menu editor in Suse 9. How do I get back default menu content like system-undermenu and so on? Is there any documentation on KDE-menu and its settings, aside from the fact that ~.kde/share/appInk keeps my personal apps?

Thanks! /Karim

I'm not sure of the file, but it is _probably_ in ~/.kde/share/config. Try grep menu ~/.kde/share/config/* and see if that helps you find it. STH -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAQv2EwX61+IL0QsMRAtbNAKDqBc8OoEulH3kZhtVkwtKwXb4XeQCfWOmV pQeOCTwgGrflNgtcgAOKjbE= =kodx -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Karim

2 Mar 2 Mar

20:45

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On Monday 01 March 2004 04:00 am, Karim wrote:

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I,ve been trying out Menu editor in Suse 9. How do I get back default menu content like system-undermenu and so on? Is there any documentation on KDE-menu and its settings, aside from the fact that ~.kde/share/appInk keeps my personal apps?

Thanks! /Karim

I'm not sure of the file, but it is _probably_ in ~/.kde/share/config. Try grep menu ~/.kde/share/config/* and see if that helps you find it.

STH

I can't really make sense of theses config-files. Every time I used Menu Editor to change in my KDE-menu I loose some apps. Now "System", "SUSE", "Program" and "Development" undermenus all empty except for the apps I entered manually. Isn't KDE-menu saved in XML format with all the entries? How can I get back default KDE menu? /Karim

Karim

5 Mar 5 Mar

16:14

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On Monday 01 March 2004 04:00 am, Karim wrote:

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I,ve been trying out Menu editor in Suse 9. How do I get back default menu content like system-undermenu and so on? Is there any documentation on KDE-menu and its settings, aside from the fact that ~.kde/share/appInk keeps my personal apps?

Thanks! /Karim

I'm not sure of the file, but it is _probably_ in ~/.kde/share/config. Try grep menu ~/.kde/share/config/* and see if that helps you find it.

STH

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