I have a Linux-curious friend whom I'd like to introduce to openSuSE. I'm wondering if the current 10.3 download is updated with current applications and drivers, or would someone installing it be starting back at the beginning, with lots of updates required? If the former, it would probably be safer for a newbie to start out with a solid, well-sorted-out 10.3 than to deal with the inevitable issues that a new version will have. If the latter, then it would probably make sense to wait for a released 11.0. I'd like openSuSE to make a good first impression - not leave him wondering why he ever agreed to give it a try. Regards, Jerry in Bothell, WA -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2008-05-11 at 17:14 -0700, Jerry Houston wrote:
I have a Linux-curious friend whom I'd like to introduce to openSuSE. I'm wondering if the current 10.3 download is updated with current applications and drivers, or would someone installing it be starting back at the beginning, with lots of updates required?
Installing 10.3 means installing the same thing we all did, then all the updates we did - save that if a package got several updates, like the kernel, he only needs the last one. So he'd better have a good internet connection ;-)
If the former, it would probably be safer for a newbie to start out with a solid, well-sorted-out 10.3 than to deal with the inevitable issues that a new version will have. If the latter, then it would probably make sense to wait for a released 11.0.
I think it is better to start with 10.3. A new distro will always have lot of things to be ironed out in a month or two, and many of them unknown. At least wait till you install it yourself and get a feeling of it. On the other hand, with new computers, the new versions tend to work better. I mean, he might have a piece of software that is not supported on older versions.
I'd like openSuSE to make a good first impression - not leave him wondering why he ever agreed to give it a try.
:-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIJ5AdtTMYHG2NR9URAhsBAJ4/lFWOzppMVOS3ens6ReDKGw5JZwCeNhKj JDkagQ/RiSYFn39CeV/0fZc= =J5Zl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 11 May 2008 08:32:25 pm Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Sunday 2008-05-11 at 17:14 -0700, Jerry Houston wrote:
I have a Linux-curious friend whom I'd like to introduce to openSuSE. I'm wondering if the current 10.3 download is updated with current applications and drivers, or would someone installing it be starting back at the beginning, with lots of updates required?
Installing 10.3 means installing the same thing we all did, then all the updates we did - save that if a package got several updates, like the kernel, he only needs the last one.
So he'd better have a good internet connection ;-)
I think it is better to start with 10.3. A new distro will always have lot of things to be ironed out in a month or two, and many of them unknown. At least wait till you install it yourself and get a feeling of it.
On the other hand, with new computers, the new versions tend to work better. I mean, he might have a piece of software that is not supported on older versions.
Cheers, Carlos E. R.
How about installing it on a spare drive in your friends computer, do the updates, and maybe install some packages of interest for them. If it does not work out you put the old drive back in. If you trash the original drive by accident doing a dual boot it will not leave a good impression, but a lasting bad one. Just a thought. Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2008-05-11 at 17:14 -0700, Jerry Houston wrote:
I have a Linux-curious friend whom I'd like to introduce to openSuSE. I'm wondering if the current 10.3 download is updated with current applications and drivers, or would someone installing it be starting back at the beginning, with lots of updates required?
If the former, it would probably be safer for a newbie to start out with a solid, well-sorted-out 10.3 than to deal with the inevitable issues that a new version will have. If the latter, then it would probably make sense to wait for a released 11.0.
I'd like openSuSE to make a good first impression - not leave him wondering why he ever agreed to give it a try.
Regards,
Jerry in Bothell, WA
No, the version downloaded is the same that was released on October 4th, 2007: all updates have to be downloaded. One thing you may be interested in doing, though, is hooking the computer up to the internet during the install and downloading all updates then. The install will take longer, but the desktop will be up-to-date. -- Kevin "Yo" Dupuy | Public Mail <kevin.dupuy@opensuse.org> | Yo.media: 225-590-5961 Swift Change for a Green Future: Kat Swift for President www.VoteSwift.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Kevin Dupuy <kevindupuy@bellsouth.net> wrote:
No, the version downloaded is the same that was released on October 4th, 2007: all updates have to be downloaded. One thing you may be interested in doing, though, is hooking the computer up to the internet during the install and downloading all updates then. The install will take longer, but the desktop will be up-to-date.
Yeah, the only time they have done a remaster was with that broken v10.1, and they only released it about 6 weeks before v10.2 came out. Considering we had requested that since v10.1 was fixed, and we kept being told that it wouldn't happen, it was nice that they did do the remaster. v10.2 was much better and much more stable. While I have always supported SUSE, I really did not agree with the whole thing about re-inventing the package system in the middle of v10.1 Beta and the fact that it was released with a broken package system. So far v11.0 Beta2 is looking really good. Can't wait for the final. Package management is so much faster. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 12 May 2008 02:35:54 Kevin Dupuy wrote:
On Sun, 2008-05-11 at 17:14 -0700, Jerry Houston wrote:
I have a Linux-curious friend whom I'd like to introduce to openSuSE. I'm wondering if the current 10.3 download is updated with current applications and drivers, or would someone installing it be starting back at the beginning, with lots of updates required?
If the former, it would probably be safer for a newbie to start out with a solid, well-sorted-out 10.3 than to deal with the inevitable issues that a new version will have. If the latter, then it would probably make sense to wait for a released 11.0.
I'd like openSuSE to make a good first impression - not leave him wondering why he ever agreed to give it a try.
Regards,
Jerry in Bothell, WA
No, the version downloaded is the same that was released on October 4th, 2007: all updates have to be downloaded. One thing you may be interested in doing, though, is hooking the computer up to the internet during the install and downloading all updates then. The install will take longer, but the desktop will be up-to-date. -- Kevin "Yo" Dupuy | Public Mail <kevin.dupuy@opensuse.org> | Yo.media: 225-590-5961 Swift Change for a Green Future: Kat Swift for President www.VoteSwift.org
I did my final install allowing the web update at the same time. There were still a fair few additional ones. Also the auto upadater locked up after the installation was up and running - cured by doing a manual update with yast. Expect that problem when the auto updater update is accepted. That has been bug reported but I have no idea when if ever it will be fixed on the install dvd. If your friend wants to just try linux/kde without any complications they could try wubi but point out that suse is a lot lot better. wubi didn't feeel like kde to me. Also there are a number of bootable ccd etc about. (Including suse I think) John -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 11 May 2008 21:35, Kevin Dupuy wrote:
On Sun, 2008-05-11 at 17:14 -0700, Jerry Houston wrote: /snip/
Jerry in Bothell, WA
No, the version downloaded is the same that was released on October 4th, 2007: all updates have to be downloaded. One thing you may be interested in doing, though, is hooking the computer up to the internet during the install and downloading all updates then. The install will take longer, but the desktop will be up-to-date. Specifically, how do you do that? I might buy 10.3 if that would work. I need to buy CD's, the CDR is not working, for some reason. Is that still possible?
--doug -- Blessed are the peacemakers ... for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A.M. Greeley -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2008-05-12 at 20:18 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
No, the version downloaded is the same that was released on October 4th, 2007: all updates have to be downloaded. One thing you may be interested in doing, though, is hooking the computer up to the internet during the install and downloading all updates then. The install will take longer, but the desktop will be up-to-date. Specifically, how do you do that? I might buy 10.3 if that would work. I need to buy CD's, the CDR is not working, for some reason. Is that still possible?
The bought version is only on DVD. Two double layer DVDs. No CDs. And of course, they contain the October 4th version. Also, I do not like to pull the updates during the install: I prefer to finish the install as soon as possible, boot it, then pull the updates with the system running. It's safer, unless there is something really broken for which you need certain update. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIKOtNtTMYHG2NR9URAncjAJ4r3c+Gk1xQUCkAZ8jSJIiYx7LWTwCbBhs3 M0c6U4/ZmVE+0H1Sun198UU= =m4Ee -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
* Doug McGarrett <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> [05-12-08 20:12]:
I need to buy CD's, the CDR is not working, for some reason. Is that still possible?
Why would you buy cds if your cd is not working, or can you *only* not record? -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 12 May 2008 21:17, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Doug McGarrett <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> [05-12-08 20:12]:
I need to buy CD's, the CDR is not working, for some reason. Is that still possible?
Why would you buy cds if your cd is not working, or can you *only* not record?
-- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org That's correct, I cannot record. I loaded this program from the CD, so that much does work.
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Doug McGarrett wrote:
On Sunday 11 May 2008 21:35, Kevin Dupuy wrote:
On Sun, 2008-05-11 at 17:14 -0700, Jerry Houston wrote: /snip/
Jerry in Bothell, WA
No, the version downloaded is the same that was released on October 4th, 2007: all updates have to be downloaded. One thing you may be interested in doing, though, is hooking the computer up to the internet during the install and downloading all updates then. The install will take longer, but the desktop will be up-to-date. Specifically, how do you do that? I might buy 10.3 if that would work. I need to buy CD's, the CDR is not working, for some reason. Is that still possible?
'You need a DVD of 10.3? The DVD install is only 1 disk....I'll send gratis if you're in the US. Fred -- MickySoft Aims to Lasso Everything With Live Mesh. What will get "lassoed" is your private data as hackers, virus and trojan writers have a field day! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Kevin Dupuy wrote:
On Sun, 2008-05-11 at 17:14 -0700, Jerry Houston wrote:
I have a Linux-curious friend whom I'd like to introduce to openSuSE. I'm wondering if the current 10.3 download is updated with current applications and drivers, or would someone installing it be starting back at the beginning, with lots of updates required?
If the former, it would probably be safer for a newbie to start out with a solid, well-sorted-out 10.3 than to deal with the inevitable issues that a new version will have. If the latter, then it would probably make sense to wait for a released 11.0.
I'd like openSuSE to make a good first impression - not leave him wondering why he ever agreed to give it a try.
Regards,
Jerry in Bothell, WA
No, the version downloaded is the same that was released on October 4th, 2007: all updates have to be downloaded. One thing you may be interested in doing, though, is hooking the computer up to the internet during the install and downloading all updates then. The install will take longer, but the desktop will be up-to-date.
So if his network hangs in the middle, he's stuck with a machine that's half-installed, and going nowhere. MUCH less error prone (i.e. network errors) to just install off the DVD, and then do the updates AFTER you have a working system. The download time will be the same, and he can fool around with stuff while the updates are downloading. A network install is something I would do if I had already set up an up-to-date mirror on-site. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
It's going to be no worse than installing Windows XP and then the large number of "required" updates. I think the answer to using 10.3 or waiting for 11.0 will depend on what hardware your friend has. If its very recent changes are that 10.3 will not support it, e.g. I have a brand new computer with the AMD 780g chipset and 10.3 and the 11 betas won't even work on it. SuSE KDE is very nice and a first time user will have no issues with it. On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Jerry Houston <jerry@effjayare.net> wrote:
I have a Linux-curious friend whom I'd like to introduce to openSuSE. I'm wondering if the current 10.3 download is updated with current applications and drivers, or would someone installing it be starting back at the beginning, with lots of updates required?
If the former, it would probably be safer for a newbie to start out with a solid, well-sorted-out 10.3 than to deal with the inevitable issues that a new version will have. If the latter, then it would probably make sense to wait for a released 11.0.
I'd like openSuSE to make a good first impression - not leave him wondering why he ever agreed to give it a try.
Regards,
Jerry in Bothell, WA -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Andreas van dem Helge wrote:
It's going to be no worse than installing Windows XP and then the large number of "required" updates.
I think the answer to using 10.3 or waiting for 11.0 will depend on what hardware your friend has. If its very recent changes are that 10.3 will not support it, e.g. I have a brand new computer with the AMD 780g chipset and 10.3 and the 11 betas won't even work on it.
[snip] That's NOT good! Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, "I don't have to support your Windows anymore." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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