Well, unless SuSE decides to distribute just the DVD (or CDs) at a lower cost, for those of us who don't actually use the manuals.

I agree, there is no point of buying the complete package every time. Why not buy the Update package? It has the DVD & CDs and just 1 manual. Kristian

On Tuesday 27 November 2001 01:38, Doug McGarrett wrote:

Please do not send attachments to the list. Why the people in charge of the list don't remove them, I'll never know. Thanx. --doug

What is your problem with attachments? In and of themselves they're not evil, as long as they're not too big. Are you behind a badly misconfigured AV system? //Anders

See previous message. The continuation goes like this: Attachments may not be evil, they may very well be benign--but how many of them can my hard drive retain, before I have no more space, and how am I to discern which are unwelcome attachments, and which are those that I might have requested? Every attachment I get has to be either inspected or deleted. Why should I have to do this? Why should I have to contain a whole bunch of attachment text (or whatever it might be) on my computer--I didn't ask for it! It is not good enough to delete _all_ attachments, that would be easy. There are some, from friends, that I need and want. At 01:50 11/27/2001 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:

On Tuesday 27 November 2001 01:38, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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Please do not send attachments to the list. Why the people in charge of the list don't remove them, I'll never know. Thanx. --doug

What is your problem with attachments? In and of themselves they're not evil, as long as they're not too big. Are you behind a badly misconfigured AV system?

//Anders

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Use pine, then you dont have to worry about melicious attachments! Arthur H. Johnson II arthur@linuxbox.nu The Linux Box http://www.linuxbox.nu On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Doug McGarrett wrote:

See previous message.

The continuation goes like this: Attachments may not be evil, they may very well be benign--but how many of them can my hard drive retain, before I have no more space, and how am I to discern which are unwelcome attachments, and which are those that I might have requested? Every attachment I get has to be either inspected or deleted. Why should I have to do this? Why should I have to contain a whole bunch of attachment text (or whatever it might be) on my computer--I didn't ask for it! It is not good enough to delete _all_ attachments, that would be easy. There are some, from friends, that I need and want.

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On Tuesday 27 November 2001 01:38, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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What is your problem with attachments? In and of themselves they're not evil, as long as they're not too big. Are you behind a badly misconfigured AV system?

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* b stephen harding (dk983@ncf.ca) [011126 20:07]:

Would you prevent pgp/gpg signature attachements then? I believe in signing all my email to validate who I am.

I guess nobody ever reads the things I sent out that say "Important, please read" or the faq or the information they get when they subscribe. All attachments that aren't plain text or pgp keys get stripped. Look at the headers...I even stuck a message in there about it. That last one slipped through b/c I hadn't considered smime, only mime. I'll take care of it tomorrow. -- -ckm

[*] Normal [+] Alexey N. Solofnenko 19:58 11/26/2001 -0800 4 RE: [SLE]

They (pgp sigs) don't show up as "attachments," and so do not give my machine and me headaches. The attachments that show up are files, whether .txt or .exe, and I don't want to have to go looking for them to find out what they are or what they might do to my machine if I absent-mindedly snap on one under Windows. Attachments are _terrible_ netiquette, and the people on our list here are certainly hip enough to know that. Under separate cover, I have given notice that all those who send attachments will henceforth be forever filtered out. Maybe they don't care. I care. --doug php/apache At 23:09 11/26/2001 -0500, b stephen harding wrote:

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1

On November 26, 2001 07:38 pm, you wrote:

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Please do not send attachments to the list. Why the people in charge of the list don't remove them, I'll never know. Thanx. --doug

At 22:00 11/26/2001 +0100, Kristian Sorensen wrote:

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Well, unless SuSE decides to distribute just the DVD (or CDs) at a lower cost, for those of us who don't actually use the manuals.

I agree, there is no point of buying the complete package every time. Why not buy the Update package? It has the DVD & CDs and just 1 manual.

Kristian

Would you prevent pgp/gpg signature attachements then? I believe in signing all my email to validate who I am. - -- b stephen One of The Board Members: Ottawa Canada Linux Users Group

gpg & pgp keys can be found on the pgp.mit.edu or pgpkeys.mit.edu keyservers. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org

iD8DBQE8AxIo6CSA+AcepnIRAr44AKCU6J4N1icpQCGwezhGgttIAg241ACeOwQH /htQpvBE2yVhWER0LZWGLzE= =IYxU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Man I'm really sorry to have generated so many emails to this list because of my pgp key. Kristian :-) On Tue, 2001-11-27 at 06:05, Christopher Mahmood wrote:

* Doug McGarrett (dougmack@i-2000.com) [011126 16:39]:

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Please do not send attachments to the list. Why the people in charge of the list don't remove them, I'll never know.

Er, we do except for plain text and pgp keys. His was some weird smime signature thing. Relax.

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On November 26, 2001 07:38 pm, Doug McGarrett wrote:

Please do not send attachments to the list. Why the people in charge of the list don't remove them, I'll never know. Thanx. --doug

It's true that binary attachments are usually not sent to email lists as a point of nettiquette. It's also equally true that PGP signatures are tolerated. However, a better practise is to just list your key in plain text at the bottom. It's worth noting that both people in this thread who seem the most upset about attachements are using Microsoft boxes, in Doug's case - Windows. I suppose they have a right to be paranoid. -- burns

On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:43:07 -0400 James Oakley wrote:

Yeah, I just bought it, but it was extremely disheartening to have to get it from the States. If this keeps up, I'm going to have to start using the FTP site more often... Well, unless SuSE decides to distribute just the DVD (or CDs) at a lower cost, for those of us who don't actually use the manuals.

I agree totally. If the availability and the high price continues like this in Canada, it is probably time to say "hello Debian". I would hate to do that because I really like SuSE and have been using it since 6.1 (switched over from Redhat). Regards, Charles -- The box saids Windows XP or better, so I installed Linux

On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:00:38 -0500 (EST) "Arthur H. Johnson II" wrote:

I would have to say however that I would gladly plop down 40 bucks for SuSE Personal if my business didn't already pay for Pro every release.

$40.00 bucks is reasonable for SuSE personal. I whould gladly pay up to $120.00 b4 GST+PST for SuSE Pro, and no, I don't need the manuals.

This is the first distro to come out that I would actually pay for. Red Hat and Mandrake are simply not worth 40 bucks with all the patching I have to do to them. That and Mandrake is WAY too unstable for everyday use.

I agree, I was using Redhat b4 SuSE (6.1) and I am very happy with the quality of SuSE. I jumped ship when Redhat jacked up their prices for no reason and all you are getting is still the 2 CD plus the application CD of trail and demo programs. Regards, Charles -- The box saids Windows XP or better, so I installed Linux