On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 11:47 +0200, Johannes Meixner wrote:

Hello,

On Apr 18 11:13 Hans van der Merwe wrote (shortened):

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I have an unsupported USB Lexmark P3450 printer (paperweight according to http://openprinting.org). Is it still possible to share this printer, as RAW, with cups and samba to Windows machines?

Of course. Set up a "raw" queue and share this queue (e.g. in YaST deactivate the "Filtering" to set up a "raw" queue). For background information see http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:CUPS_in_a_Nutshell

Done, but still no spooling to printer - dont I need some USB driver to spool RAW data to the printer? Or is RAW-USB-Printer standard driver?

By the way: Why is a useless printer connected to the Linux machine? Why not connect it to a Windows machine?

Valid question - all Win machines are laptops - to mobile to connect printer too.

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On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 12:18 +0200, Johannes Meixner wrote:

Hello,

On Apr 18 09:54 Hans van der Merwe wrote (shortened):

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... still no spooling to printer - dont I need some USB driver to spool RAW data to the printer?

You need the appropriate USB kernel modules loaded (happens usually automatically) so that the low-level system can send data via USB.

And: The CUPS usb backend must recognize the printer.

If the CUPS usb backend doesn't recognize the printer, check if the USB system recognizes the printer, e.g.: root@host# lsusb Bus 003 Device 011: ID 03f0:7004 Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 3320c

Execute the backend directly to get what it recognizes, e.g.:

root@host# /usr/lib/cups/backend/usb direct usb://hp/deskjet%203320?serial=TH27T2H35B35 "hp deskjet 3320" ...

The second entry is the DeviceURI which you must use to set up a queue:

root@host# lpadmin -p rawusb -E \ -v usb://hp/deskjet%203320?serial=TH27T2H35B35

Test if it looks o.k.:

user@host$ lpstat -p rawusb -a rawusb printer rawusb is idle ... rawusb accepting requests ...

Test if spooling and sending data via this queue works on the local host:

user@host$ echo -en "\r" | lp -d rawusb

Ony a carriage return character is sent. The printer won't print anything here but you shoudn't get any error messages.

Check /var/log/cups/error_log if there are errors.

Only if all this looks o.k., do the Samba stuff.

Kind Regards Johannes Meixner

Thx, will try Must add, it one of those all in one printers, copy, scan fax - does this complicate things? E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

There is an old maxim in American business: If you can't beat'em, buy'em. M$ can't buy Linux, it knows that there is only so much that it can do with Windows before it morphs into a _nix, so they are getting positioned to "partner" big time and drive that morph to their money-in-the-pocket advantage instead of letting random market forces drive it away. Sounds like smart business to me. If their stock wasn't so expensive and the market wasn't at the top I might buy some. Actually, about the "morphing" comment: What I got from that article was that the collaboration was to make the two OSes better able to interact with each other. Maybe that means that, over time, both OSes will do some changing. Or maybe I should say that the GUI apps (KDE, Gnome, whatever) will change to meet the mission. Whatever, with the big three at work, I would bet that it will happen and in such a way as for everyone involved (Suse, M$ and Dell) to make a buck or two. Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 11:43:41AM -0800, John Andersen wrote:

On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Stevens wrote:

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Whatever, with the big three at work, I would bet that it will happen and in such a way as for everyone involved (Suse, M$ and Dell) to make a buck or two.

This assumes that there will indeed be some "work" done. I don't see it that way.

I have not seen any positive outcome of the MS Novell agreement nor any hint of any to come.

Several big customers, who have been using Linux "secretly" before, now have admitted to using it.

Much posturing, but Balmer is still claiming Linux violates MS IP loudly and often. More often than before.

Any cites for this statement? Its just FUD.

The only thing that can come out of this deal is a proprietary product either for Microsoft or Novell. No new GPL software can emerge from this deal the way it is structured today.

You mean like the OpenOffice org VBA support? Oops, not proprietary. This deal is not about cooperation for a product, as should be very clear already. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen wrote:

On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Marcus Meissner wrote:

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Much posturing, but Balmer is still claiming Linux violates MS IP

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Any cites for this statement? Its just FUD.

If I need to cite that for you, you must have been stationed on Mars for the last year.

He means does Ballmer cite any actual IP violations, or is it just more of the never-ending FUD that spews out of that cretin's cake-hole... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Mike McMullin wrote:

On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 11:49 -0800, John Andersen wrote:

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On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Marcus Meissner wrote:

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Much posturing, but Balmer is still claiming Linux violates MS IP

Any cites for this statement? Its just FUD.

If I need to cite that for you, you must have been stationed on Mars for the last year.

Cite it anyway, the onus is now on you, this being a fairly asked question.

http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresource/archives/2006/11/microsoft_claim.ht... http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS7228555922.html http://www.forbes.com/home/enterprisetech/2006/03/22/ballmer-microsoft-linux... http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/17/1324248 http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/108806.asp?source=rss http://www.themoneytimes.com/articles/20061121/novell_rejects_microsofts_ip_... http://www.itworldcanada.com//Pages/Docbase/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=idgml-845c57... http://dotnet.sys-con.com/read/308332.htm "Ron Hovsepian, Novell's CEO, has posted an open letter to the Community, where he explicitly states Novell's disagreement with Steve Ballmer's claims of Linux infringing on Microsoft's intellectual property. From the letter: 'We disagree with the recent statements made by Microsoft on the topic of Linux and patents. Importantly, our agreement with Microsoft is in no way an acknowledgment that Linux infringes upon any Microsoft intellectual property. From: http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/community_open_letter.html I find it interesting that Mr Hovsepian seems to know all about this issue and is worried about it enough to address it on Novell's web site, but yet Mr Meissner remains ignorant of the issue. Head in sand Marcus? -- _____________________________________ John Andersen

--- John Andersen wrote:

On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Mike McMullin wrote:

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On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 11:49 -0800, John Andersen wrote:

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On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Marcus Meissner wrote:

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Much posturing, but Balmer is still claiming Linux violates MS IP

http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresource/archives/2006/11/microsoft_claim.ht...

http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS7228555922.html

http://www.forbes.com/home/enterprisetech/2006/03/22/ballmer-microsoft-linux...

http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/17/1324248

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/108806.asp?source=rss

http://www.themoneytimes.com/articles/20061121/novell_rejects_microsofts_ip_...

http://www.itworldcanada.com//Pages/Docbase/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=idgml-845c57...

http://dotnet.sys-con.com/read/308332.htm

I find it interesting that Mr Hovsepian seems to know all about this issue and is worried about it enough to address it on Novell's web site, but yet Mr Meissner remains ignorant of the issue.

Head in sand Marcus?

-- _____________________________________ John Andersen

You used the word "still" as in ongoing. These are all from last year. If you have nothing newer to cite, your claim is false. More accurately; In the past, Mr. Ballmer made spurious charges about MS IP in Linux, which Mr. Hovsepian promptly refuted. Without the bullshit, that's the whole story. Not much to write about. Any elaboration beyond that, from any quarter, qualifies as FUD if not accompanied by credible evidence. You've presented none, beyond that event in November, 2006, which is summed up in the single sentence above. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

--- John Andersen wrote:

On Tuesday 08 May 2007, frank nelson wrote:

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You used the word "still" as in ongoing. These are all from last year. If you have nothing newer to cite, your claim is false.

Says you.

Find me ONE published report of Ballmer retracting his claim. Just one !!!

... Waiting!!!

You made the original claim, not me. Unless you cam substantiate the claim, with recent cites, the claim, as stated, is false.

Who appointed you keeper of the clock of how long Ballmer must remain silent to signal that Microsoft has dropped all these claims?

Who appointed you keeper of the FUD flame? Fighting FUD with truth is an honorable endeavor. Fighting FUD with more FUD only shows that both parties are equally lacking in moral principles. If there is truth in your claim, substantiate it. If you can not, admit that you were in error, and retract the claim. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

--- John Andersen wrote:

On Thursday 10 May 2007, frank nelson wrote:

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Says you.

Find me ONE published report of Ballmer retracting his claim. Just one !!!

...  Waiting!!!

You made the original claim, not me. Unless you cam substantiate the claim, with recent cites, the claim, as stated, is false.  

Nope, I don't need recent cites. Until retracted Ballmers statments stand as official Microsoft Policy.

Therefore the onus is on you to find a retraction.

You made a statement that by it's nature is deemed false if you can not substantiate it. There is no onus on me to do anything. If you refuse to substantiate, or retract, I can only conclude that you knew the statement was false, yet made it anyway, making you a liar, and no more to be believed than Mr. Ballmer. As it now stands, you have no credibility whatever, and I see no reason to continue any discussion with you, on any matter whatever. Have a nice day. We are done. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

frank nelson wrote:

--- John Andersen wrote:

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On Thursday 10 May 2007, frank nelson wrote:

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Says you.

Find me ONE published report of Ballmer

retracting

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his claim. Just one !!!

... Waiting!!!

You made the original claim, not me. Unless you

cam

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substantiate the claim, with recent cites, the

claim,

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as stated, is false.

Nope, I don't need recent cites. Until retracted Ballmers statments stand as official Microsoft Policy.

Therefore the onus is on you to find a retraction.

You made a statement that by it's nature is deemed false if you can not substantiate it. There is no onus on me to do anything. If you refuse to substantiate, or retract, I can only conclude that you knew the statement was false, yet made it anyway, making you a liar, and no more to be believed than Mr. Ballmer.

As it now stands, you have no credibility whatever, and I see no reason to continue any discussion with you, on any matter whatever.

Well, I have also seen such claims by Steve Ballmer about this. I have also not seen any retraction. The incident with Novell was last fall and there have been other claims previous to those. So, at least until last fall, MS was claiming Linux infringed MS patents, though they haven't shown any examples. What's happened since then, to show MS has changed it's mind? -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 14:35 -0700, Robert Smits wrote:

On Tuesday 08 May 2007 13:41, Mike McMullin wrote:

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On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 11:49 -0800, John Andersen wrote:

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On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Marcus Meissner wrote:

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Much posturing, but Balmer is still claiming Linux violates MS IP

Any cites for this statement? Its just FUD.

If I need to cite that for you, you must have been stationed on Mars for the last year.

Cite it anyway, the onus is now on you, this being a fairly asked question.

Fairly asked question? This is either a mistake, in that John suggested the FUD part of the question to refer to the validity of Ballmer's claims, or a troll, and I suspect the former. The Linux mailing lists have been all over Monkey-Boy Steve Ballmer's comments. Here's just one quote, from

Marcus Meissner is an Engineer at SuSE, that makes me think he's not being a troll. {snip} -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hi John, On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 14:57 -0800, John Andersen wrote:

On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Mike McMullin wrote:

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On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 14:35 -0700, Robert Smits wrote:

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On Tuesday 08 May 2007 13:41, Mike McMullin wrote:

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On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 11:49 -0800, John Andersen wrote:

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On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Marcus Meissner wrote:

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> Much posturing, but Balmer is still > claiming Linux violates MS IP

Any cites for this statement? Its just FUD.

If I need to cite that for you, you must have been stationed on Mars for the last year.

Cite it anyway, the onus is now on you, this being a fairly asked question.

Fairly asked question? This is either a mistake, in that John suggested the FUD part of the question to refer to the validity of Ballmer's claims, or a troll, and I suspect the former. The Linux mailing lists have been all over Monkey-Boy Steve Ballmer's comments. Here's just one quote, from

Marcus Meissner is an Engineer at SuSE, that makes me think he's not being a troll.

We know who Marcuse is. That's why we are surprised that his CEO knows Ballmer is still claiming linux violates MS IP, but Marcus seems to pretend this is not happening.

Others seem to think that just because Ballmer has not said anything in the last week that he has forgotten the issue. That would be a foolish mistake. As soon as he has redhat and suse signed onto his agreement all the small players will find themselves in court.

This is great! I've been looking for someone that could see in to the future. I know this is slightly off-topic, but... Would you mind sending me a private email with the winning numbers for tomorrows draw? Thanks so much in advance.

-- _____________________________________ John Andersen

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John Andersen wrote:

On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Stevens wrote:

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Whatever, with the big three at work, I would bet that it will happen and in such a way as for everyone involved (Suse, M$ and Dell) to make a buck or two.

This assumes that there will indeed be some "work" done. I don't see it that way.

I have not seen any positive outcome of the MS Novell agreement nor any hint of any to come. Much posturing, but Balmer is still claiming Linux violates MS IP loudly and often. More often than before.

Microsoft always proclaims most loudly the lies that they're trying to get everyone to believe.. the more MS proclaims it, the less credible it is... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 5/8/07, John Andersen wrote:

On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Stevens wrote:

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Whatever, with the big three at work, I would bet that it will happen and in such a way as for everyone involved (Suse, M$ and Dell) to make a buck or two.

This assumes that there will indeed be some "work" done. I don't see it that way.

I have not seen any positive outcome of the MS Novell agreement nor any hint of any to come. Much posturing, but Balmer is still claiming Linux violates MS IP loudly and often. More often than before.

The only thing that can come out of this deal is a proprietary product either for Microsoft or Novell. No new GPL software can emerge from this deal the way it is structured today.

IIRC, the new virtualization manager that Novell is doing under that agreement will be GPL. I see that as a big plus for the industry (even if it is not GPL). Greg -- Greg Freemyer The Norcross Group Forensics for the 21st Century -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday May 9 2007 4:38:07 pm Stevens wrote:

To anyone who has been as disappointed as I about the inability of VirtualBox to see USB flash drives, here is my solution - my hack - of the problem.

It is a pain in the butt but it works.

Plug in the USB stick, let udev create the "disk" directory in /media. "mount" will show it mounted as /dev/sda1, but that isn't important to this exercise.

Setup Samba server to share /media/disk

konqueror file browser to /media, right click on "disk" and select "Share", share it on the web and on the local network and with Samba

Go into the XP guest on VirtualBox and "Show network computers"

Anyway, the point is to use Samba to share the drive instead of beating your head against the wall with kernel hacks that don't work, etc.

It's ugly but it works. So what if I am sharing that drive to the world? If I unplug the drive, it can't be accessed. Also, when I unplug the drive, /media/disk disappears so I think that any security hole disappears with it.

YMMV. It works for me.

Fred

That's one way. Or you could just use the latest 2.6.18.8-0.3 kernel update for openSUSE 10.2 with the perl-bootloader module and be done with it. The insecure /proc/bus/usb file system has been reinstated. Works great and for VMware too! -- Stan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hello, On Apr 19 10:15 Hans van der Merwe wrote (shortened):

But nothing still spools to printer - I can see the file in the queue - but printer sits there doing nothing?

I assume here you mean that when printing from the Windows client it does not work? I assume you see something which comes from the Windows client appearing in the CUPS queue (or do you mean the Samba queue) and then probably it is disappearing because it is sent by CUPS to the printer (the same way as you have tested before) but the printer does not print anything? Disable printing in CUPS (/usr/sbin/cupsdisable <queue>) so that the job stays in the CUPS queue. Then print from the Windows client and inspect the job data file /var/spool/cups/d* at least if it seems to have sufficient size to be real printer-data for this printer. Additionally you can try to send such a job data file via cat /var/spool/cups/d... >/dev/usb/lp0 directly to the printer. If there are no errors but it doesn't print, it seems the Windows client produces not the right printer specific data? By the way: If I remember correctly there exists hardware which works only if there is a real bidirectional communication between the driver and the printer (not only the low-level data transfer handshake), something like: driver->printer: "Do you feel alright?" printer->driver: "Thanks fine! Why do you ask?" driver->printer: "Well, I may like to send you some print data." printer->driver: "Please wait - currently I am scanning." driver->printer: "May I send you some print data?" printer->driver: "Please wait - currently I am scanning." driver->printer: "May I send you some print data?" printer->driver: "O.k. - but not more than 20 bytes." driver->printer: "012345678901234567890" printer->driver: "Chocked! Try again." driver->printer: "01234567890123456789" printer->driver: "O.k." driver->printer: "May I send you some more print data?" printer->driver: "O.k. - but not more than 13 bytes." ... ;-) Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hello On Apr 19 11:34 Hans van der Merwe wrote (shortened):

... it does stay in die queue, indefinitely. Saying "Processing..." (this is now in the KDE Printer dialog)

Watch /var/log/cups/error_log what it is actually doing at this time, for more debug messages see http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:CUPS_in_a_Nutshell "If problems are encountered" I cannot imagine what is "Processing..." all the time for a raw queue. It should just forward the data to the appropriate USB port and nothing else. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 19 April 2007, Johannes Meixner wrote:

Hello,

On Apr 19 00:54 John Andersen wrote (shortened):

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On Wednesday 18 April 2007, Hans van der Merwe wrote:

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I have an unsupported USB Lexmark P3450 printer

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have cups share it as a raw printer with an "smb backend"

The "smb" backend is useless to access an USB printer which is connected to the Linux machine - it needs the "usb" backend.

Which is precisely why I suggested connecting it to a windows machine and using the smb backend. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen wrote:

On Wednesday 18 April 2007, Hans van der Merwe wrote:

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I have an unsupported USB Lexmark P3450 printer (paperweight according to http://openprinting.org). Is it still possible to share this printer, as RAW, with cups and samba to Windows machines? I can see the printer on the Win clients and see print jobs in the CUPS status window - but no spooling to printer.

It is far easier to put it on a windows machine and then have cups share it as a raw printer with an "smb backend" (Cups hands it off to windows to print).

That way you get the spooling benefit of cups but the printer driver issue is handled by windows.

my recommendation would be to alternatively do it extremly easy: scrap that printer, buy something that works greatly from HP. see http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/index.html before you buy. kind regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Johannes Meixner wrote: [...]

I like HP very much because it is one of the few printer manufacturers which do really support Linux.

Indeed, they see this as a business opportunity where most others terribly fail, e.g. lexmark, epson and canon inkjet printers or allinones.

In particular regarding Lexmark there is a big difference if a Lexmark inkjet printer or a laser printer is used, see http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/Database/LinuxSupportByPrint... "Lexmark Optra Division" versus "Lexmark JetPrinters".

Yes, sorry for being unclear. I indeed have VERY GOOD experiences with Lexmark Optra named Laser Printers that usually are very high quality, not directly cheap, network connected and postscript enabled. Working greatly on Linux, iSeries... you name it. They also have a great reliability and support track record with me, as well. So I would clearly only avoid inkjets from them, if Linux is your concern. kind regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org