[opensuse] Raw Printer server
I have an unsupported USB Lexmark P3450 printer (paperweight according to http://openprinting.org). Is it still possible to share this printer, as RAW, with cups and samba to Windows machines? I can see the printer on the Win clients and see print jobs in the CUPS status window - but no spooling to printer. E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Apr 18 11:13 Hans van der Merwe wrote (shortened):
I have an unsupported USB Lexmark P3450 printer (paperweight according to http://openprinting.org). Is it still possible to share this printer, as RAW, with cups and samba to Windows machines?
Of course. Set up a "raw" queue and share this queue (e.g. in YaST deactivate the "Filtering" to set up a "raw" queue). For background information see http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:CUPS_in_a_Nutshell By the way: Why is a useless printer connected to the Linux machine? Why not connect it to a Windows machine? Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 11:47 +0200, Johannes Meixner wrote:
Hello,
On Apr 18 11:13 Hans van der Merwe wrote (shortened):
I have an unsupported USB Lexmark P3450 printer (paperweight according to http://openprinting.org). Is it still possible to share this printer, as RAW, with cups and samba to Windows machines?
Of course. Set up a "raw" queue and share this queue (e.g. in YaST deactivate the "Filtering" to set up a "raw" queue). For background information see http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:CUPS_in_a_Nutshell
Done, but still no spooling to printer - dont I need some USB driver to spool RAW data to the printer? Or is RAW-USB-Printer standard driver?
By the way: Why is a useless printer connected to the Linux machine? Why not connect it to a Windows machine?
Valid question - all Win machines are laptops - to mobile to connect printer too.
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Hello, On Apr 18 09:54 Hans van der Merwe wrote (shortened):
... still no spooling to printer - dont I need some USB driver to spool RAW data to the printer?
You need the appropriate USB kernel modules loaded (happens usually automatically) so that the low-level system can send data via USB. And: The CUPS usb backend must recognize the printer. If the CUPS usb backend doesn't recognize the printer, check if the USB system recognizes the printer, e.g.: root@host# lsusb Bus 003 Device 011: ID 03f0:7004 Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 3320c Execute the backend directly to get what it recognizes, e.g.: root@host# /usr/lib/cups/backend/usb direct usb://hp/deskjet%203320?serial=TH27T2H35B35 "hp deskjet 3320" ... The second entry is the DeviceURI which you must use to set up a queue: root@host# lpadmin -p rawusb -E \ -v usb://hp/deskjet%203320?serial=TH27T2H35B35 Test if it looks o.k.: user@host$ lpstat -p rawusb -a rawusb printer rawusb is idle ... rawusb accepting requests ... Test if spooling and sending data via this queue works on the local host: user@host$ echo -en "\r" | lp -d rawusb Ony a carriage return character is sent. The printer won't print anything here but you shoudn't get any error messages. Check /var/log/cups/error_log if there are errors. Only if all this looks o.k., do the Samba stuff. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 12:18 +0200, Johannes Meixner wrote:
Hello,
On Apr 18 09:54 Hans van der Merwe wrote (shortened):
... still no spooling to printer - dont I need some USB driver to spool RAW data to the printer?
You need the appropriate USB kernel modules loaded (happens usually automatically) so that the low-level system can send data via USB.
And: The CUPS usb backend must recognize the printer.
If the CUPS usb backend doesn't recognize the printer, check if the USB system recognizes the printer, e.g.: root@host# lsusb Bus 003 Device 011: ID 03f0:7004 Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 3320c
Execute the backend directly to get what it recognizes, e.g.:
root@host# /usr/lib/cups/backend/usb direct usb://hp/deskjet%203320?serial=TH27T2H35B35 "hp deskjet 3320" ...
The second entry is the DeviceURI which you must use to set up a queue:
root@host# lpadmin -p rawusb -E \ -v usb://hp/deskjet%203320?serial=TH27T2H35B35
Test if it looks o.k.:
user@host$ lpstat -p rawusb -a rawusb printer rawusb is idle ... rawusb accepting requests ...
Test if spooling and sending data via this queue works on the local host:
user@host$ echo -en "\r" | lp -d rawusb
Ony a carriage return character is sent. The printer won't print anything here but you shoudn't get any error messages.
Check /var/log/cups/error_log if there are errors.
Only if all this looks o.k., do the Samba stuff.
Kind Regards Johannes Meixner
Thx, will try Must add, it one of those all in one printers, copy, scan fax - does this complicate things? E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Apr 18 14:05 Hans van der Merwe wrote (shortened):
Must add, it one of those all in one printers, copy, scan fax - does this complicate things?
For plain printing it should not matter - normally - wasn't the manufacturer Lexmark? ;-) Check the "lsusb -v" output if the device shows an inteface class "Printer", then it should be recognized as a printer. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
There is an old maxim in American business: If you can't beat'em, buy'em. M$ can't buy Linux, it knows that there is only so much that it can do with Windows before it morphs into a _nix, so they are getting positioned to "partner" big time and drive that morph to their money-in-the-pocket advantage instead of letting random market forces drive it away. Sounds like smart business to me. If their stock wasn't so expensive and the market wasn't at the top I might buy some. Actually, about the "morphing" comment: What I got from that article was that the collaboration was to make the two OSes better able to interact with each other. Maybe that means that, over time, both OSes will do some changing. Or maybe I should say that the GUI apps (KDE, Gnome, whatever) will change to meet the mission. Whatever, with the big three at work, I would bet that it will happen and in such a way as for everyone involved (Suse, M$ and Dell) to make a buck or two. Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Stevens wrote:
Whatever, with the big three at work, I would bet that it will happen and in such a way as for everyone involved (Suse, M$ and Dell) to make a buck or two.
This assumes that there will indeed be some "work" done. I don't see it that way. I have not seen any positive outcome of the MS Novell agreement nor any hint of any to come. Much posturing, but Balmer is still claiming Linux violates MS IP loudly and often. More often than before. The only thing that can come out of this deal is a proprietary product either for Microsoft or Novell. No new GPL software can emerge from this deal the way it is structured today. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, May 08, 2007 at 11:43:41AM -0800, John Andersen wrote:
On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Stevens wrote:
Whatever, with the big three at work, I would bet that it will happen and in such a way as for everyone involved (Suse, M$ and Dell) to make a buck or two.
This assumes that there will indeed be some "work" done. I don't see it that way.
I have not seen any positive outcome of the MS Novell agreement nor any hint of any to come.
Several big customers, who have been using Linux "secretly" before, now have admitted to using it.
Much posturing, but Balmer is still claiming Linux violates MS IP loudly and often. More often than before.
Any cites for this statement? Its just FUD.
The only thing that can come out of this deal is a proprietary product either for Microsoft or Novell. No new GPL software can emerge from this deal the way it is structured today.
You mean like the OpenOffice org VBA support? Oops, not proprietary. This deal is not about cooperation for a product, as should be very clear already. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Much posturing, but Balmer is still claiming Linux violates MS IP
Any cites for this statement? Its just FUD.
If I need to cite that for you, you must have been stationed on Mars for the last year. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
John Andersen wrote:
On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Much posturing, but Balmer is still claiming Linux violates MS IP
Any cites for this statement? Its just FUD.
If I need to cite that for you, you must have been stationed on Mars for the last year.
He means does Ballmer cite any actual IP violations, or is it just more of the never-ending FUD that spews out of that cretin's cake-hole... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 11:49 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Much posturing, but Balmer is still claiming Linux violates MS IP
Any cites for this statement? Its just FUD.
If I need to cite that for you, you must have been stationed on Mars for the last year.
Cite it anyway, the onus is now on you, this being a fairly asked question. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 11:49 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Much posturing, but Balmer is still claiming Linux violates MS IP
Any cites for this statement? Its just FUD.
If I need to cite that for you, you must have been stationed on Mars for the last year.
Cite it anyway, the onus is now on you, this being a fairly asked question.
http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresource/archives/2006/11/microsoft_claim.ht... http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS7228555922.html http://www.forbes.com/home/enterprisetech/2006/03/22/ballmer-microsoft-linux... http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/17/1324248 http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/108806.asp?source=rss http://www.themoneytimes.com/articles/20061121/novell_rejects_microsofts_ip_... http://www.itworldcanada.com//Pages/Docbase/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=idgml-845c57... http://dotnet.sys-con.com/read/308332.htm "Ron Hovsepian, Novell's CEO, has posted an open letter to the Community, where he explicitly states Novell's disagreement with Steve Ballmer's claims of Linux infringing on Microsoft's intellectual property. From the letter: 'We disagree with the recent statements made by Microsoft on the topic of Linux and patents. Importantly, our agreement with Microsoft is in no way an acknowledgment that Linux infringes upon any Microsoft intellectual property. From: http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/community_open_letter.html I find it interesting that Mr Hovsepian seems to know all about this issue and is worried about it enough to address it on Novell's web site, but yet Mr Meissner remains ignorant of the issue. Head in sand Marcus? -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
On 5/8/07, John Andersen <jsa@pen.homeip.net> wrote:
I find it interesting that Mr Hovsepian seems to know all about this issue and is worried about it enough to address it on Novell's web site, but yet Mr Meissner remains ignorant of the issue.
Head in sand Marcus?
These are all old, dating to around the time shortly after the aggreement was announced. Ballmer had one or two interviews/speeches where he launched into this non-sense, then it was reported on ad-nauseum. Hardly qualifies as (in your words): "Much posturing, but Balmer is still claiming Linux violates MS IP loudly and often. More often than before." Below are dates from the citations you list: By: Enterprise Open Source News Desk Dec. 2, 2006 09:30 AM Digg This! ------------- Linux OS violates Microsoft's patents, says Ballmer By: Eric Lai Computerworld (U.S. online) (20 Nov 2006) --------------- Novell rejects Microsoft's IP claims by Shubha Krishnappa - November 21, 2006 - 1 comments ----------------- Posted by Todd Bishop at November 16, 2006 12:37 p.m. ----------------- Computer Hardware & Software Ballmer, Bemused Daniel Lyons, 03.23.06, 3:15 PM ET ---------------------- Nov. 17, 2006 What a surprise! What a shock! Ballmer thinks Linux rips off Microsoft intellectual property. ------------------------------ November 17, 2006 Microsoft claims Linux violates its IP ------------------------------------------- Posted by Zonk on Fri Nov 17, '06 09:38 AM -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
--- John Andersen <jsa@pen.homeip.net> wrote:
On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 11:49 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Much posturing, but Balmer is still claiming Linux violates MS IP
http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresource/archives/2006/11/microsoft_claim.ht...
http://www.forbes.com/home/enterprisetech/2006/03/22/ballmer-microsoft-linux...
http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/17/1324248
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/108806.asp?source=rss
http://www.themoneytimes.com/articles/20061121/novell_rejects_microsofts_ip_...
http://www.itworldcanada.com//Pages/Docbase/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=idgml-845c57...
I find it interesting that Mr Hovsepian seems to know all about this issue and is worried about it enough to address it on Novell's web site, but yet Mr Meissner remains ignorant of the issue.
Head in sand Marcus?
-- _____________________________________ John Andersen
You used the word "still" as in ongoing. These are all from last year. If you have nothing newer to cite, your claim is false. More accurately; In the past, Mr. Ballmer made spurious charges about MS IP in Linux, which Mr. Hovsepian promptly refuted. Without the bullshit, that's the whole story. Not much to write about. Any elaboration beyond that, from any quarter, qualifies as FUD if not accompanied by credible evidence. You've presented none, beyond that event in November, 2006, which is summed up in the single sentence above. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 08 May 2007, frank nelson wrote:
You used the word "still" as in ongoing. These are all from last year. If you have nothing newer to cite, your claim is false.
Says you. Find me ONE published report of Ballmer retracting his claim. Just one !!! ... Waiting!!! Who appointed you keeper of the clock of how long Ballmer must remain silent to signal that Microsoft has dropped all these claims? -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
--- John Andersen <jsa@pen.homeip.net> wrote:
On Tuesday 08 May 2007, frank nelson wrote:
You used the word "still" as in ongoing. These are all from last year. If you have nothing newer to cite, your claim is false.
Says you.
Find me ONE published report of Ballmer retracting his claim. Just one !!!
... Waiting!!!
You made the original claim, not me. Unless you cam substantiate the claim, with recent cites, the claim, as stated, is false.
Who appointed you keeper of the clock of how long Ballmer must remain silent to signal that Microsoft has dropped all these claims?
Who appointed you keeper of the FUD flame? Fighting FUD with truth is an honorable endeavor. Fighting FUD with more FUD only shows that both parties are equally lacking in moral principles. If there is truth in your claim, substantiate it. If you can not, admit that you were in error, and retract the claim. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 10 May 2007, frank nelson wrote:
Says you.
Find me ONE published report of Ballmer retracting his claim. Just one !!!
... Waiting!!!
You made the original claim, not me. Unless you cam substantiate the claim, with recent cites, the claim, as stated, is false.
Nope, I don't need recent cites. Until retracted Ballmers statments stand as official Microsoft Policy. Therefore the onus is on you to find a retraction. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
--- John Andersen <jsa@pen.homeip.net> wrote:
On Thursday 10 May 2007, frank nelson wrote:
Says you.
Find me ONE published report of Ballmer retracting his claim. Just one !!!
... Waiting!!!
You made the original claim, not me. Unless you cam substantiate the claim, with recent cites, the claim, as stated, is false.
Nope, I don't need recent cites. Until retracted Ballmers statments stand as official Microsoft Policy.
Therefore the onus is on you to find a retraction.
You made a statement that by it's nature is deemed false if you can not substantiate it. There is no onus on me to do anything. If you refuse to substantiate, or retract, I can only conclude that you knew the statement was false, yet made it anyway, making you a liar, and no more to be believed than Mr. Ballmer. As it now stands, you have no credibility whatever, and I see no reason to continue any discussion with you, on any matter whatever. Have a nice day. We are done. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 10 May 2007 23:33, frank nelson wrote:
I can only conclude that you knew the statement was false, yet made it anyway, making you a liar, and no more to be believed than Mr. Ballmer. John is a straight shooter, and history favors his side of this discussion. A strong opinion based on historical-logical heuristics and backed up by strong circumstantial evidence does not a liar one make. On the other hand, Mr. Ballmer is most assuredly a Balled Faced pathological liar. Take it easy on John--- he doesn't deserve it.
As it now stands, you have no credibility whatever, and I see no reason to continue any discussion with you, on any matter whatever. Come, come. Andersen has plenty of credibility... are you so narrow that your ability to discuss *anything* with another person can be permanently limited because he does not happen to share your opinion on one single topic? Lighten up... in the market place of ideas we have to keep the comm channels open. :)
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frank nelson wrote:
--- John Andersen <jsa@pen.homeip.net> wrote:
On Thursday 10 May 2007, frank nelson wrote:
Says you.
Find me ONE published report of Ballmer
retracting
his claim. Just one !!!
... Waiting!!!
You made the original claim, not me. Unless you
cam
substantiate the claim, with recent cites, the
claim,
as stated, is false.
Nope, I don't need recent cites. Until retracted Ballmers statments stand as official Microsoft Policy.
Therefore the onus is on you to find a retraction.
You made a statement that by it's nature is deemed false if you can not substantiate it. There is no onus on me to do anything. If you refuse to substantiate, or retract, I can only conclude that you knew the statement was false, yet made it anyway, making you a liar, and no more to be believed than Mr. Ballmer.
As it now stands, you have no credibility whatever, and I see no reason to continue any discussion with you, on any matter whatever.
Well, I have also seen such claims by Steve Ballmer about this. I have also not seen any retraction. The incident with Novell was last fall and there have been other claims previous to those. So, at least until last fall, MS was claiming Linux infringed MS patents, though they haven't shown any examples. What's happened since then, to show MS has changed it's mind? -- Use OpenOffice.org <http://www.openoffice.org> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 08 May 2007 13:41, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 11:49 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Much posturing, but Balmer is still claiming Linux violates MS IP
Any cites for this statement? Its just FUD.
If I need to cite that for you, you must have been stationed on Mars for the last year.
Cite it anyway, the onus is now on you, this being a fairly asked question.
Fairly asked question? This is either a mistake, in that John suggested the FUD part of the question to refer to the validity of Ballmer's claims, or a troll, and I suspect the former. The Linux mailing lists have been all over Monkey-Boy Steve Ballmer's comments. Here's just one quote, from http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9005171 November 16, 2006 (Computerworld) -- In comments confirming the open-source community's suspicions, Microsoft Corp. CEO Steve Ballmer today declared his belief that the Linux operating system infringes on Microsoft's intellectual property. In a question-and-answer session after his keynote speech at the Professional Association for SQL Server (PASS) conference in Seattle, Ballmer said Microsoft was motivated to sign a deal with SUSE Linux distributor Novell Inc. earlier this month because Linux "uses our intellectual property" and Microsoft wanted to "get the appropriate economic return for our shareholders from our innovation." -- bob@rsmits.ca -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 14:35 -0700, Robert Smits wrote:
On Tuesday 08 May 2007 13:41, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 11:49 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Much posturing, but Balmer is still claiming Linux violates MS IP
Any cites for this statement? Its just FUD.
If I need to cite that for you, you must have been stationed on Mars for the last year.
Cite it anyway, the onus is now on you, this being a fairly asked question.
Fairly asked question? This is either a mistake, in that John suggested the FUD part of the question to refer to the validity of Ballmer's claims, or a troll, and I suspect the former. The Linux mailing lists have been all over Monkey-Boy Steve Ballmer's comments. Here's just one quote, from
Marcus Meissner is an Engineer at SuSE, that makes me think he's not being a troll. {snip} -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 14:35 -0700, Robert Smits wrote:
On Tuesday 08 May 2007 13:41, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 11:49 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Much posturing, but Balmer is still claiming Linux violates MS IP
Any cites for this statement? Its just FUD.
If I need to cite that for you, you must have been stationed on Mars for the last year.
Cite it anyway, the onus is now on you, this being a fairly asked question.
Fairly asked question? This is either a mistake, in that John suggested the FUD part of the question to refer to the validity of Ballmer's claims, or a troll, and I suspect the former. The Linux mailing lists have been all over Monkey-Boy Steve Ballmer's comments. Here's just one quote, from
Marcus Meissner is an Engineer at SuSE, that makes me think he's not being a troll.
We know who Marcuse is. That's why we are surprised that his CEO knows Ballmer is still claiming linux violates MS IP, but Marcus seems to pretend this is not happening. Others seem to think that just because Ballmer has not said anything in the last week that he has forgotten the issue. That would be a foolish mistake. As soon as he has redhat and suse signed onto his agreement all the small players will find themselves in court. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi John, On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 14:57 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 14:35 -0700, Robert Smits wrote:
On Tuesday 08 May 2007 13:41, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 11:49 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Marcus Meissner wrote:
> Much posturing, but Balmer is still > claiming Linux violates MS IP
Any cites for this statement? Its just FUD.
If I need to cite that for you, you must have been stationed on Mars for the last year.
Cite it anyway, the onus is now on you, this being a fairly asked question.
Fairly asked question? This is either a mistake, in that John suggested the FUD part of the question to refer to the validity of Ballmer's claims, or a troll, and I suspect the former. The Linux mailing lists have been all over Monkey-Boy Steve Ballmer's comments. Here's just one quote, from
Marcus Meissner is an Engineer at SuSE, that makes me think he's not being a troll.
We know who Marcuse is. That's why we are surprised that his CEO knows Ballmer is still claiming linux violates MS IP, but Marcus seems to pretend this is not happening.
Others seem to think that just because Ballmer has not said anything in the last week that he has forgotten the issue. That would be a foolish mistake. As soon as he has redhat and suse signed onto his agreement all the small players will find themselves in court.
This is great! I've been looking for someone that could see in to the future. I know this is slightly off-topic, but... Would you mind sending me a private email with the winning numbers for tomorrows draw? Thanks so much in advance.
-- _____________________________________ John Andersen
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On May 08, 07 14:57:31 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Marcus Meissner wrote:
> Much posturing, but Balmer is still > claiming Linux violates MS IP
Any cites for this statement? Its just FUD.
If I need to cite that for you, you must have been stationed on Mars for the last year.
Marcus Meissner is an Engineer at SuSE, that makes me think he's not being a troll.
We know who Marcuse is. That's why we are surprised that his CEO knows Ballmer is still claiming linux violates MS IP, but Marcus seems to pretend this is not happening.
Marcus posted a quick oneliner. I am afraid you interpret to much into that. I guess Marcus wanted to ask for any proof or new details of the infringement. We all know what Balmer claims, and we still believe it to be FUD. I am certain Marcus did not intend to deny the existance of Balmers FUD.
From an engineer's point of view I'd advise everyone to ignore Balmer. It is Ron's job to educate Balmer on good manners.
Others seem to think that just because Ballmer has not said anything in the last week that he has forgotten the issue. That would be a foolish mistake. As soon as he has redhat and suse signed onto his agreement all the small players will find themselves in court.
Perhaps Ron already made Balmer shut up (for a while)? If someone has good suggestions how to actually counteract Balmers FUD, please let us know. Did I already say FUD? The more we disagree on the details and effects of his FUD, the broader Balmers grin. Please don't feed him. Now for the fun part: If Marcus were a troll, I'd directly walk into his office and hit him with a stick. cheers, Jw. -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _=======.=======_ <V> | jw@suse.de wide open suse_/ _---|____________\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 (tm)__/ (____/ /\ (/) | __________________________/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) "Oral agreements are worth about as much as the paper they are written on." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John Andersen wrote:
On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Stevens wrote:
Whatever, with the big three at work, I would bet that it will happen and in such a way as for everyone involved (Suse, M$ and Dell) to make a buck or two.
This assumes that there will indeed be some "work" done. I don't see it that way.
I have not seen any positive outcome of the MS Novell agreement nor any hint of any to come. Much posturing, but Balmer is still claiming Linux violates MS IP loudly and often. More often than before.
Microsoft always proclaims most loudly the lies that they're trying to get everyone to believe.. the more MS proclaims it, the less credible it is... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 08 May 2007 14:50, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
the more MS proclaims it, the less credible it is... When is M$ lying...
... when their mouth(s) move. (the more they move, the worse it gets) -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 5/8/07, John Andersen <jsa@pen.homeip.net> wrote:
On Tuesday 08 May 2007, Stevens wrote:
Whatever, with the big three at work, I would bet that it will happen and in such a way as for everyone involved (Suse, M$ and Dell) to make a buck or two.
This assumes that there will indeed be some "work" done. I don't see it that way.
I have not seen any positive outcome of the MS Novell agreement nor any hint of any to come. Much posturing, but Balmer is still claiming Linux violates MS IP loudly and often. More often than before.
The only thing that can come out of this deal is a proprietary product either for Microsoft or Novell. No new GPL software can emerge from this deal the way it is structured today.
IIRC, the new virtualization manager that Novell is doing under that agreement will be GPL. I see that as a big plus for the industry (even if it is not GPL). Greg -- Greg Freemyer The Norcross Group Forensics for the 21st Century -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
To anyone who has been as disappointed as I about the inability of VirtualBox to see USB flash drives, here is my solution - my hack - of the problem. It is a pain in the butt but it works. Plug in the USB stick, let udev create the "disk" directory in /media. "mount" will show it mounted as /dev/sda1, but that isn't important to this exercise. Setup Samba server to share /media/disk konqueror file browser to /media, right click on "disk" and select "Share", share it on the web and on the local network and with Samba Go into the XP guest on VirtualBox and "Show network computers" Anyway, the point is to use Samba to share the drive instead of beating your head against the wall with kernel hacks that don't work, etc. It's ugly but it works. So what if I am sharing that drive to the world? If I unplug the drive, it can't be accessed. Also, when I unplug the drive, /media/disk disappears so I think that any security hole disappears with it. YMMV. It works for me. Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday May 9 2007 4:38:07 pm Stevens wrote:
To anyone who has been as disappointed as I about the inability of VirtualBox to see USB flash drives, here is my solution - my hack - of the problem.
It is a pain in the butt but it works.
Plug in the USB stick, let udev create the "disk" directory in /media. "mount" will show it mounted as /dev/sda1, but that isn't important to this exercise.
Setup Samba server to share /media/disk
konqueror file browser to /media, right click on "disk" and select "Share", share it on the web and on the local network and with Samba
Go into the XP guest on VirtualBox and "Show network computers"
Anyway, the point is to use Samba to share the drive instead of beating your head against the wall with kernel hacks that don't work, etc.
It's ugly but it works. So what if I am sharing that drive to the world? If I unplug the drive, it can't be accessed. Also, when I unplug the drive, /media/disk disappears so I think that any security hole disappears with it.
YMMV. It works for me.
Fred
That's one way. Or you could just use the latest 2.6.18.8-0.3 kernel update for openSUSE 10.2 with the perl-bootloader module and be done with it. The insecure /proc/bus/usb file system has been reinstated. Works great and for VMware too! -- Stan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 12:18 +0200, Johannes Meixner wrote:
Hello,
On Apr 18 09:54 Hans van der Merwe wrote (shortened):
... still no spooling to printer - dont I need some USB driver to spool RAW data to the printer?
You need the appropriate USB kernel modules loaded (happens usually automatically) so that the low-level system can send data via USB.
And: The CUPS usb backend must recognize the printer.
If the CUPS usb backend doesn't recognize the printer, check if the USB system recognizes the printer, e.g.: root@host# lsusb Bus 003 Device 011: ID 03f0:7004 Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 3320c
I see this - (Lexmark p4350 blablabla)
Execute the backend directly to get what it recognizes, e.g.:
root@host# /usr/lib/cups/backend/usb direct usb://hp/deskjet%203320?serial=TH27T2H35B35 "hp deskjet 3320" ...
The second entry is the DeviceURI which you must use to set up a queue:
I also see this
root@host# lpadmin -p rawusb -E \ -v usb://hp/deskjet%203320?serial=TH27T2H35B35
Test if it looks o.k.:
user@host$ lpstat -p rawusb -a rawusb printer rawusb is idle ... rawusb accepting requests ...
This works
Test if spooling and sending data via this queue works on the local host:
user@host$ echo -en "\r" | lp -d rawusb
Ony a carriage return character is sent. The printer won't print anything here but you shoudn't get any error messages.
Works? No error in log But nothing still spools to printer - I can see the file in the queue - but printer sits there doing nothing? E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Apr 19 10:15 Hans van der Merwe wrote (shortened):
But nothing still spools to printer - I can see the file in the queue - but printer sits there doing nothing?
I assume here you mean that when printing from the Windows client it does not work? I assume you see something which comes from the Windows client appearing in the CUPS queue (or do you mean the Samba queue) and then probably it is disappearing because it is sent by CUPS to the printer (the same way as you have tested before) but the printer does not print anything? Disable printing in CUPS (/usr/sbin/cupsdisable <queue>) so that the job stays in the CUPS queue. Then print from the Windows client and inspect the job data file /var/spool/cups/d* at least if it seems to have sufficient size to be real printer-data for this printer. Additionally you can try to send such a job data file via cat /var/spool/cups/d... >/dev/usb/lp0 directly to the printer. If there are no errors but it doesn't print, it seems the Windows client produces not the right printer specific data? By the way: If I remember correctly there exists hardware which works only if there is a real bidirectional communication between the driver and the printer (not only the low-level data transfer handshake), something like: driver->printer: "Do you feel alright?" printer->driver: "Thanks fine! Why do you ask?" driver->printer: "Well, I may like to send you some print data." printer->driver: "Please wait - currently I am scanning." driver->printer: "May I send you some print data?" printer->driver: "Please wait - currently I am scanning." driver->printer: "May I send you some print data?" printer->driver: "O.k. - but not more than 20 bytes." driver->printer: "012345678901234567890" printer->driver: "Chocked! Try again." driver->printer: "01234567890123456789" printer->driver: "O.k." driver->printer: "May I send you some more print data?" printer->driver: "O.k. - but not more than 13 bytes." ... ;-) Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 10:49 +0200, Johannes Meixner wrote:
Hello,
On Apr 19 10:15 Hans van der Merwe wrote (shortened):
But nothing still spools to printer - I can see the file in the queue - but printer sits there doing nothing?
I assume here you mean that when printing from the Windows client it does not work? I assume you see something which comes from the Windows client appearing in the CUPS queue (or do you mean the Samba queue) and then probably it is disappearing because it is sent by CUPS to the printer (the same way as you have tested before) but the printer does not print anything?
Disable printing in CUPS (/usr/sbin/cupsdisable <queue>) so that the job stays in the CUPS queue.
Thats the thing, it does stay in die queue, indefinitely. Saying "Processing..." (this is now in the KDE Printer dialog) E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello On Apr 19 11:34 Hans van der Merwe wrote (shortened):
... it does stay in die queue, indefinitely. Saying "Processing..." (this is now in the KDE Printer dialog)
Watch /var/log/cups/error_log what it is actually doing at this time, for more debug messages see http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:CUPS_in_a_Nutshell "If problems are encountered" I cannot imagine what is "Processing..." all the time for a raw queue. It should just forward the data to the appropriate USB port and nothing else. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 13:46 +0200, Johannes Meixner wrote:
Hello
On Apr 19 11:34 Hans van der Merwe wrote (shortened):
... it does stay in die queue, indefinitely. Saying "Processing..." (this is now in the KDE Printer dialog)
Watch /var/log/cups/error_log what it is actually doing at this time, for more debug messages see http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:CUPS_in_a_Nutshell "If problems are encountered"
I cannot imagine what is "Processing..." all the time for a raw queue. It should just forward the data to the appropriate USB port and nothing else.
Will get the logs next time Im at the machine. Im starting to think that the printer needs to be toggled into "printer mode" before it will except print data via USB (being a multi function device) E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 18 April 2007, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
I have an unsupported USB Lexmark P3450 printer (paperweight according to http://openprinting.org). Is it still possible to share this printer, as RAW, with cups and samba to Windows machines? I can see the printer on the Win clients and see print jobs in the CUPS status window - but no spooling to printer.
It is far easier to put it on a windows machine and then have cups share it as a raw printer with an "smb backend" (Cups hands it off to windows to print). That way you get the spooling benefit of cups but the printer driver issue is handled by windows. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Apr 19 00:54 John Andersen wrote (shortened):
On Wednesday 18 April 2007, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
I have an unsupported USB Lexmark P3450 printer ... have cups share it as a raw printer with an "smb backend"
The "smb" backend is useless to access an USB printer which is connected to the Linux machine - it needs the "usb" backend. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 19 April 2007, Johannes Meixner wrote:
Hello,
On Apr 19 00:54 John Andersen wrote (shortened):
On Wednesday 18 April 2007, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
I have an unsupported USB Lexmark P3450 printer
...
have cups share it as a raw printer with an "smb backend"
The "smb" backend is useless to access an USB printer which is connected to the Linux machine - it needs the "usb" backend.
Which is precisely why I suggested connecting it to a windows machine and using the smb backend. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 08:51 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
On Thursday 19 April 2007, Johannes Meixner wrote:
Hello,
On Apr 19 00:54 John Andersen wrote (shortened):
On Wednesday 18 April 2007, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
I have an unsupported USB Lexmark P3450 printer
...
have cups share it as a raw printer with an "smb backend"
The "smb" backend is useless to access an USB printer which is connected to the Linux machine - it needs the "usb" backend.
Which is precisely why I suggested connecting it to a windows machine and using the smb backend.
As I said before, I dont have a Win machine to connect it to. And, if I had to toss all the HW that did not work first time on my Suse box - I will be running Windows again today (thats just reality). E-Mail disclaimer: http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
John Andersen wrote:
On Wednesday 18 April 2007, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
I have an unsupported USB Lexmark P3450 printer (paperweight according to http://openprinting.org). Is it still possible to share this printer, as RAW, with cups and samba to Windows machines? I can see the printer on the Win clients and see print jobs in the CUPS status window - but no spooling to printer.
It is far easier to put it on a windows machine and then have cups share it as a raw printer with an "smb backend" (Cups hands it off to windows to print).
That way you get the spooling benefit of cups but the printer driver issue is handled by windows.
my recommendation would be to alternatively do it extremly easy: scrap that printer, buy something that works greatly from HP. see http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/index.html before you buy. kind regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Apr 19 19:39 Eberhard Roloff wrote (shortened):
On Wednesday 18 April 2007, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
I have an unsupported USB Lexmark P3450 printer ... Is it still possible to share this printer, as RAW, with cups and samba to Windows machines? ... my recommendation would be to alternatively do it extremly easy: scrap that printer, buy something that works greatly from HP. see http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/index.html before you buy.
I like HP very much because it is one of the few printer manufacturers which do really support Linux. In particular regarding Lexmark there is a big difference if a Lexmark inkjet printer or a laser printer is used, see http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/Database/LinuxSupportByPrint... "Lexmark Optra Division" versus "Lexmark JetPrinters". I think in this particular case the initial problem does not require to use a printer for which there is a Linux printer driver (i.e. a piece of software which produces printer specific data) because all what is needed in this particular case is to forward whatever data (in this case printer specific data made by the Windows printer driver running on the Windows client systems) via USB to the printer. Of course this requires a printer which can operate in the usual unidirectional way like all normal printers can do - i.e. in a first step the printer driver can make the printer specific data without communication to the printer and in a separated second step the printer specific data can be sent to the printer without any communication to the printer driver. As I wrote in a previous mail, there exists printers which work only if there is a bidirectional communication between driver and printer. Even some HP all-in-one devices can work only this way - i.e. they can only work if connected directly to the computer where the HPLIP system runs (HPIJS driver and the I/O services "hpiod" and "hpssd"), see http://hplip.sourceforge.net/tech_docs/hpijs.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ HPIJS provides no I/O. HPIJS emits standard file output. The output can be directed to a file or to the actual device via the parallel or USB port. This "raw" printing does not require bi-directional I/O. Some all-in-one devices do not support "raw" I/O and must use HPLIP for printing (ie: OfficeJet K80). In this case HPIJS output is sent to the "hp" CUPS backend, the backend opens an 1284.4/MLC print channel, then the data is passed to the actual device. ------------------------------------------------------------------ This means that e.g. an OfficeJet K80 would not work if it is connected to a Windows host and HPIJS runs on the Linux host and the CUPS "smb" backend is used and I assume it does also not work if it is connected to a Linux host and should be used via CUPS and Samba from a Windows host where the Windows driver runs (but it would work if a Windows PostScript driver is used and on the Linux host the HPLIP system is running). For the Lexmark P3450 it could be the same so that it does not work when it is not connected to the host where its driver runs. Of course only Lexmark could answer this question definitely. I think we discussed it long enough without a definite result so that now Lexmark must be asked to provide this crucial piece of information. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Johannes Meixner wrote: [...]
I like HP very much because it is one of the few printer manufacturers which do really support Linux.
Indeed, they see this as a business opportunity where most others terribly fail, e.g. lexmark, epson and canon inkjet printers or allinones.
In particular regarding Lexmark there is a big difference if a Lexmark inkjet printer or a laser printer is used, see http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/Database/LinuxSupportByPrint... "Lexmark Optra Division" versus "Lexmark JetPrinters".
Yes, sorry for being unclear. I indeed have VERY GOOD experiences with Lexmark Optra named Laser Printers that usually are very high quality, not directly cheap, network connected and postscript enabled. Working greatly on Linux, iSeries... you name it. They also have a great reliability and support track record with me, as well. So I would clearly only avoid inkjets from them, if Linux is your concern. kind regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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