-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Is SuSE's kernel 2.4.21-151 source available as a .gz / .bz2 download somewhere or does it have to be installed from an rpm? thanks - -- dh -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/z+uWBwgxlylUsJARAlgHAJ9jZNX3f6aGMqaTY+xy8xc1Uw450QCglezC MZz7FmeF1THjRb/Qhs48iaI= =JZzV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:21:09 -0800, David Herman <mesamoo115@comcast.net> wrote:
Is SuSE's kernel 2.4.21-151 source available as a .gz / .bz2 download somewhere or does it have to be installed from an rpm?
...<<<brrrrr>>> okay. go to ftp.suse.com/pub and get the filename: ls-Ral.tar.gz and extract it. from then on, you can search this file for stuff on the suse site. be sure you download this occassionally as the content is updated . -- /// Michael J. Tobler: motorcyclist, surfer, skydiver, \\\ \\\ and author: "Inside Linux", "C++ HowTo", "C++ Unleashed" /// Give me a Plumber's friend the size of the Pittsburgh dome, and a place to stand, and I will drain the world.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 04 December 2003 06:31 pm, mjt wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:21:09 -0800, David Herman <mesamoo115@comcast.net> wrote:
Is SuSE's kernel 2.4.21-151 source available as a .gz / .bz2 download somewhere or does it have to be installed from an rpm?
...<<<brrrrr>>> okay. go to ftp.suse.com/pub and get the filename: ls-Ral.tar.gz and extract it. from then on, you can search this file for stuff on the suse site. be sure you download this occassionally as the content is updated
Hey thanks for the quick reply, I'm on my way :-) - -- dh Don't shop at GoogleGear.com! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQE/z/EEBwgxlylUsJARAgwGAJ0SyZ8jWRZIuzEL0Xrbq9dy9/wbXwCY1qRu Soq+bEutmnjGp/9u+H9qyg== =jaRI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 04 December 2003 06:44 pm, David Herman wrote:
On Thursday 04 December 2003 06:31 pm, mjt wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 18:21:09 -0800, David Herman
<mesamoo115@comcast.net> wrote:
Is SuSE's kernel 2.4.21-151 source available as a .gz / .bz2 download somewhere or does it have to be installed from an rpm?
...<<<brrrrr>>> okay. go to ftp.suse.com/pub and get the filename: ls-Ral.tar.gz and extract it. from then on, you can search this file for stuff on the suse site. be sure you download this occassionally as the content is updated
Hey thanks for the quick reply, I'm on my way :-)
Well after an interesting but fruitless search of ls-Ral.txt it appears that there are gz archives of many of the older kernels (2.2, 2.3) but as far as I could tell the newest kernel sources are only available as srpms unless someone has another suggestion. Thanks for trying - -- dh -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/0ChRBwgxlylUsJARAl8xAJ44jI59PwQqo/cQR5U86AfLWxdZsACbB/+H HeJE+GMlStUz/zbuxg9uR9A= =SLUA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 22:40:17 -0800, David Herman <mesamoo115@comcast.net> wrote:
Well after an interesting but fruitless search of ls-Ral.txt it appears that there are gz archives of many of the older kernels (2.2, 2.3) but as far as I could tell the newest kernel sources are only available as srpms unless someone has another suggestion.
... did you get this via YOU? it offers the option to get the kernel sources, which should be the default behaviour . -- /// Michael J. Tobler: motorcyclist, surfer, skydiver, \\\ \\\ and author: "Inside Linux", "C++ HowTo", "C++ Unleashed" /// A person is just about as big as the things that make them angry.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 05 December 2003 05:10 am, mjt wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 22:40:17 -0800, David Herman <mesamoo115@comcast.net> wrote:
Well after an interesting but fruitless search of ls-Ral.txt it appears that there are gz archives of many of the older kernels (2.2, 2.3) but as far as I could tell the newest kernel sources are only available as srpms unless someone has another suggestion.
... did you get this via YOU? it offers the option to get the kernel sources, which should be the default behaviour
I considered correcting myself right after posting but decided to wait. What I meant to say is that all I could find were kernel-source.rpm and srpm's. What I was looking for was gz or bz2 archives of the kernel source like those provided by mantel. I got in the habit of d'loading mantels kernels when I first started compiling my own kernels, but I now run the win4lin patches and those only support officially released (distribution wise) kernels. So as it stands it appears to me that SuSE's official and (reasonably) current kernels (source files) are only available as rpms and srpms. Thanks for the reply - -- dh Don't shop at GoogleGear.com! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/0LW9BwgxlylUsJARAlOUAJ9DCdL1rw5FXO2mCfXHE2g6vIK5fQCfYjo5 qATpU21RzshpUbEtVAusVyY= =5Z34 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Fri December 5 2003 11:43 am, David Herman wrote:
On Friday 05 December 2003 05:10 am, mjt wrote:
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 22:40:17 -0800, David Herman
<mesamoo115@comcast.net> wrote:
Well after an interesting but fruitless search of ls-Ral.txt it appears that there are gz archives of many of the older kernels (2.2, 2.3) but as far as I could tell the newest kernel sources are only available as srpms unless someone has another suggestion.
... did you get this via YOU? it offers the option to get the kernel sources, which should be the default behaviour
I considered correcting myself right after posting but decided to wait. What I meant to say is that all I could find were kernel-source.rpm and srpm's. What I was looking for was gz or bz2 archives of the kernel source like those provided by mantel.
I got in the habit of d'loading mantels kernels when I first started compiling my own kernels, but I now run the win4lin patches and those only support officially released (distribution wise) kernels.
So as it stands it appears to me that SuSE's official and (reasonably) current kernels (source files) are only available as rpms and srpms.
Thanks for the reply
What have you got for a system, 9.0 pro? When you install 'all of the kernel' (or whatever they call it where you get an additional 130+MB of stuff for the kernel, the source is placed in /usr/ src just like any other kernel source should be. You should be able to operate on it there. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 12/05/03 12:40 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "A chip on the shoulder is often a piece of wood that has fallen from the head."
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 05 December 2003 09:42 am, Bruce Marshall wrote: - -------------snip----------------
What have you got for a system, 9.0 pro?
SuSE 8.1 pro
When you install 'all of the kernel' (or whatever they call it where you get an additional 130+MB of stuff for the kernel, the source is placed in /usr/ src just like any other kernel source should be. You should be able to operate on it there.
I've been horribly misunderstood. I've already installed previous versins of the source. I just was looking for a gz or bz2 archive rather than an rpm. Why? man I don't know. Anyway I ended up installing the kernel-source-2.4.21-151.i586.rpm. One question, whats the diference between a kernel-source-2.4.*.rpm and a kernel-source-2.4.*.src.rpm (rpm vs src.rpm) Thanks to all who replied - -- dh Don't shop at GoogleGear.com! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/0NGZBwgxlylUsJARAn6tAJwIQ9Q/gUysT3qkMktDi1s0eEoLvACbB+vz aDkrIzkI9bJt7LcD5Bxl83k= =s1B7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Fri December 5 2003 01:42 pm, David Herman wrote:
On Friday 05 December 2003 09:42 am, Bruce Marshall wrote: -------------snip----------------
What have you got for a system, 9.0 pro?
SuSE 8.1 pro
When you install 'all of the kernel' (or whatever they call it where you get an additional 130+MB of stuff for the kernel, the source is placed in /usr/ src just like any other kernel source should be. You should be able to operate on it there.
I've been horribly misunderstood. I've already installed previous versins of the source. I just was looking for a gz or bz2 archive rather than an rpm. Why? man I don't know. Anyway I ended up installing the kernel-source-2.4.21-151.i586.rpm.
One question, whats the diference between a kernel-source-2.4.*.rpm and a kernel-source-2.4.*.src.rpm (rpm vs src.rpm)
The .rpm would (I assume) contain the compiled kernel which would be placed in /boot. The src.rpm would contain the sources for the kernel and would be placed in / usr/src. I only use vanilla kernels from www.kernel.org so I'm not all sure about the above but that's the way it should be.
Thanks to all who replied -- dh Don't shop at GoogleGear.com!
-- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 12/05/03 14:15 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "It is people who live by the rules that are always hoping to get them changed." - Robert Harbison
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 05 December 2003 11:17 am, Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Fri December 5 2003 01:42 pm, David Herman wrote:
On Friday 05 December 2003 09:42 am, Bruce Marshall wrote: -------------snip----------------
One question, whats the diference between a kernel-source-2.4.*.rpm and a kernel-source-2.4.*.src.rpm (rpm vs src.rpm)
The .rpm would (I assume) contain the compiled kernel which would be placed in /boot.
I thought it was the k_deflt.rpm, k_athlon.rpm etc that contained the kernel that was installed in /boot, from viewing kernel-source-2.4.*.rpm i saw no indication of files being installed in /boot
The src.rpm would contain the sources for the kernel and would be placed in / usr/src.
I only use vanilla kernels from www.kernel.org so I'm not all sure about the above but that's the way it should be.
I'm only about 9 megs from having the kernel-source-2.4.21-151.i586.src.rpm d'loaded and I installed kernel-source-2.4.21-151.i586.rpm this morning so I guess I'll compare the 2 archives in a few minutes. BTW since you mentioned that you compile your own vanilla kernel, do you have any tips about switching from the susified version to the vanilla version? Thanks for your help - -- dh Don't shop at GoogleGear.com! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/0N8+BwgxlylUsJARAhQ4AJ9oIm71m9RB7M+GqNWJDeOQc1HgKACeMai6 jBRsqxfxRlOLS80rf06e1aw= =wsiv -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Fri December 5 2003 02:40 pm, David Herman wrote:
On Friday 05 December 2003 11:17 am, Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Fri December 5 2003 01:42 pm, David Herman wrote:
On Friday 05 December 2003 09:42 am, Bruce Marshall wrote: -------------snip----------------
One question, whats the diference between a kernel-source-2.4.*.rpm and a kernel-source-2.4.*.src.rpm (rpm vs src.rpm)
The .rpm would (I assume) contain the compiled kernel which would be placed in /boot.
I thought it was the k_deflt.rpm, k_athlon.rpm etc that contained the kernel that was installed in /boot, from viewing kernel-source-2.4.*.rpm i saw no indication of files being installed in /boot
The src.rpm would contain the sources for the kernel and would be placed in / usr/src.
I only use vanilla kernels from www.kernel.org so I'm not all sure about the above but that's the way it should be.
I'm only about 9 megs from having the kernel-source-2.4.21-151.i586.src.rpm d'loaded and I installed kernel-source-2.4.21-151.i586.rpm this morning so I guess I'll compare the 2 archives in a few minutes.
BTW since you mentioned that you compile your own vanilla kernel, do you have any tips about switching from the susified version to the vanilla version?
Not much to say, just do it...... The only problems you will have include: 1) You'll lose some of the nice graphics at boot time... (but then, if you're booting enough that you miss this stuff, then you need to think about why you are booting so much :-) 2) You'll need to come up with a /usr/src/linux/.config file that either mirrors what SUSE gave you or better... make your own. If you make your own, you can eliminate a ton of stuff you don't need and bake into the kernel those things that you do. But basically it is easy and you can still retain your original SuSE kernel if you do it right... -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 12/05/03 14:49 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "The older you get, the better you realize you were."
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 05 December 2003 11:53 am, Bruce Marshall wrote: - -------------snip------------
BTW since you mentioned that you compile your own vanilla kernel, do you have any tips about switching from the susified version to the vanilla version?
Not much to say, just do it......
The only problems you will have include:
1) You'll lose some of the nice graphics at boot time... (but then, if you're booting enough that you miss this stuff, then you need to think about why you are booting so much :-)
MCAOMK (More Coffee All Over My Keyboard)
2) You'll need to come up with a /usr/src/linux/.config file that either mirrors what SUSE gave you or better... make your own. If you make your own, you can eliminate a ton of stuff you don't need and bake into the kernel those things that you do.
But basically it is easy and you can still retain your original SuSE kernel if you do it right...
Thanks for the tip - -- dh -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/0OwKBwgxlylUsJARAp+dAJwLRFdtciti3qWVDN9LtgjwyEn3/wCfSg4K ZERH2efof5lBEGOc7LMa/7c= =TQpk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
The Friday 2003-12-05 at 14:17 -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote:
One question, whats the diference between a kernel-source-2.4.*.rpm and a kernel-source-2.4.*.src.rpm (rpm vs src.rpm)
The .rpm would (I assume) contain the compiled kernel which would be placed in /boot.
The src.rpm would contain the sources for the kernel and would be placed in / usr/src.
Er... no, this is an special case. The 'k_deflt*.rpm' (and k_athlon*.rpm, etc) contains the binaries placed in '/boot', and also the compiled modules that go to '/lib/modules/kernelversion/*'. There are more than one version of this rpm, depending on the CPU. The 'kernel-source*.rpm' contain the sources that go to '/usr/src/linux_version/*'. There is only one (common for all cpu versions). The kernel-source.src.rpm contains the sources to the sources above. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
On Fri December 5 2003 08:51 pm, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The 'kernel-source*.rpm' contain the sources that go to '/usr/src/linux_version/*'. There is only one (common for all cpu versions).
The kernel-source.src.rpm contains the sources to the sources above.
Well you've got me confused by the above.... but so be it... I don't have to deal with it. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 12/05/03 21:24 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "You might be a high-tech Red-neck if: you own one or more white short-sleeve dress shirts"
On Friday 05 December 2003 16:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The 'kernel-source*.rpm' contain the sources that go to '/usr/src/linux_version/*'. There is only one (common for all cpu versions).
The kernel-source.src.rpm contains the sources to the sources above.
Er, run that by us one more time Carlos... What are sources to sources?? -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
The Saturday 2003-12-06 at 01:46 -0900, John Andersen wrote:
The 'kernel-source*.rpm' contain the sources that go to '/usr/src/linux_version/*'. There is only one (common for all cpu versions).
The kernel-source.src.rpm contains the sources to the sources above.
Er, run that by us one more time Carlos... What are sources to sources??
X'-) That's the best definition I can give in one line. Another one - taken from Tom Clancy's espionage characters: "You don't need to know" :-p I'm kidding. But if you don't know, it is because you don't really need it. I'll try to explain. (1) You have the rpm containing the binaries, in several "flavours" (ie, names) depending on your CPU type. (2) Then you have a normal rpm which contains a source tree, that goes to '/usr/src/linux/*', from which you can compile and install self-tailored kernels, with the typical methods (make dep, make menuconfig, etc, etc). It is not a .src.rpm: that is, you can not use the rpm -b switches on it, because it is not a "source" rpm, but a binary, that happens to contains sources. Confused? Can't help it O:-) (3) And finally, there is a *.src.rpm, which is a real sources rpm as all the rest of sources rpms, containing the original kernel.org sources (I think) plus all patches separate in their files, from which you can build the kernel sources and/or binaries as used by SuSE - I suppose - by the normal -b switches to the rpm command. I never used it, except to have a peep at it and know that it is not for me ;-) -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
-- Original Message -- From: David Herman <mesamoo115@comcast.net> To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:42:33 -0800 Subject: Re: [SLE] new kernel
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On Friday 05 December 2003 09:42 am, Bruce Marshall wrote: - -------------snip----------------
What have you got for a system, 9.0 pro?
SuSE 8.1 pro
When you install 'all of the kernel' (or whatever they call it where you get an additional 130+MB of stuff for the kernel, the source is placed in /usr/ src just like any other kernel source should be. You should be able to operate on it there.
I've been horribly misunde
stood. I've already installed previous versins of the source. I just was looking for a gz or bz2 archive rather than an rpm. Why? man I don't know. Anyway I ended up installing
the kernel-source-2.4.21-151.i586.rpm.
So you found kernel-source-2.4.21-151.i586.rpm !? I have looked through "ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/ls-Ral.txt" as advices by somebody on this list, but it's not there ??. There are some older versions but not 2.4.21-151. Where did you find it. With such an importent update, SuSE should at least have placed a link to it. If you ask me, this is so importent that I shouldn't waste time looking for it. It's just as if the rule is: If the suckers can't find it, it's their problem. Bo
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 05 December 2003 11:45 am, subs@systemhouse.dk wrote: - ----------snip-----------
So you found kernel-source-2.4.21-151.i586.rpm !?
I have looked through "ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/ls-Ral.txt" as advices by somebody on this list, but it's not there ??. There are some older versions but not 2.4.21-151. Where did you find it.
(the following is the link for the kernel source for suse 8.1) ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/update/8.1/rpm/i586/kernel-source-2.4.21-151.i586.rpm so far I haven't seen it at the other mirrors I've checked nor on apt.
With such an importent update, SuSE should at least have placed a link to it. If you ask me, this is so importent that I shouldn't waste time looking for it.
I joined the SuSE Security Announcement mailing list suse-security-announce@suse.com not alot of traffic, just security announcements as it should be. The mails they send include links to updated files although alot of times it seems that the updates have already appeared on apt servers by the time the mail is sent. HTH - -- dh Don't shop at GoogleGear.com! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/0OtXBwgxlylUsJARAl90AJ96Up52iQSqAPGTRNxhef1UoUZhlQCgiQum XD5jZWh6jGDDMAIL65ifMHg= =GUYE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Op vrijdag 5 december 2003 21:32, schreef David Herman:
(the following is the link for the kernel source for suse 8.1) ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/update/8.1/rpm/i586/kernel-source-2.4.21-1 51.i586.rpm so far I haven't seen it at the other mirrors I've checked nor on apt.
If it is in the suse directories it is almost sure in the apt repository too. Just checked and it is part of the apt rep: kernel-source;2.4.21-151;i586;update kernel-source;2.4.21-151;src;update -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 05 December 2003 12:45 pm, Richard Bos wrote:
Op vrijdag 5 december 2003 21:32, schreef David Herman:
(the following is the link for the kernel source for suse 8.1) ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/update/8.1/rpm/i586/kernel-source- 2.4.21-1 51.i586.rpm so far I haven't seen it at the other mirrors I've checked nor on apt.
If it is in the suse directories it is almost sure in the apt repository too. Just checked and it is part of the apt rep: kernel-source;2.4.21-151;i586;update kernel-source;2.4.21-151;src;update
must be an error in my apt.conf, I see the source 2.4.19-340 and k_athlon 2.4.19-340 as most recent. I just did a little test, I found the rpm @ ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/8.1-i386/RPMS.update so then I checked for it w/ synaptic, still showed 2.4.19-340 as most recent (although it did show that I have 2.4.21-151 installed as expected) , then I ran (as root) apt-get update, then apt-get -s upgrade, then synaptic again. Sure enough the files showed up. I thought synaptic did the same as apt-get update before opening its lister, guess I was wrong. So I stand corrected, the new kernels are indeed available w/ apt. See ya - -- dh Don't shop at GoogleGear.com! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/0PzLBwgxlylUsJARAt9DAJ0VOhQb+dM2Vwa55iolHcv+HZVtWgCdEkAl 9yHpV0ogDEg67nye5aou5lY= =hBjJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
The Friday 2003-12-05 at 10:42 -0800, David Herman wrote:
I've been horribly misunderstood. I've already installed previous versins of the source. I just was looking for a gz or bz2 archive rather than an rpm. Why? man I don't know. Anyway I ended up installing the kernel-source-2.4.21-151.i586.rpm.
Well... you could use mc to see inside the .rpm and expand whatever part of the contents you like. After all, it is gziped.
One question, whats the diference between a kernel-source-2.4.*.rpm and a kernel-source-2.4.*.src.rpm (rpm vs src.rpm)
It seems the later is the sources to the sources, with all patches unapplied, etc, etc. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:43:41 -0800, David Herman <mesamoo115@comcast.net> wrote:
So as it stands it appears to me that SuSE's official and (reasonably) current kernels (source files) are only available as rpms and srpms.
... right! you could convert those to *.gz if you want :)) . -- /// Michael J. Tobler: motorcyclist, surfer, skydiver, \\\ \\\ and author: "Inside Linux", "C++ HowTo", "C++ Unleashed" /// "Cleveland? Yes, I spent a week there one day."
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