On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 21:15:54 +0200 fx fraipont wrote:

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* fx fraipont [06-06-04 07:20]:

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I've just realized that in 9.1 floppies are mounted read only, which

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means you can't delete files or copy anything to floppy. I unmounted and then mounted RW, but it does not work. I looked silly running to a>WinXP computer to write a floppy I could not write in SuSE Linux :-)>Solution?

mount -t vfat -o user,exec,rw /dev/fd0 /media/floppy

This is what I tried, and these are the reults:

when I try to delete a file on the floppy:

Access denied to /media/floppy/setup_p.ini

when I try to copy a file to the floppy, I get :

Writing to drives is not supported First, have you tried mtools? From 9.0 I have had no problems mounting a floppy. The mount command, above should be issued as root. If you set up and entry in /etc/fstab, then you can mount and unmount as a regular user. Here is my fstab entry: /dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto noauto,user,sync 0 0

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* Doug McGarrett [06-07-04 20:06]:

What is this subfs business? I don't think I've run into it before, and it seems to be a problem to a whole batch of people posting here. Why not just delete it across the board and go back to the fstab design that we had 5 years ago?

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On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 21:15:54 +0200

fx fraipont wrote:

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* fx fraipont [06-06-04 07:20]:

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I've just realized that in 9.1 floppies are mounted read only, which

means you can't delete files or copy anything to floppy. I unmounted and then mounted RW, but it does not work. I looked silly running

to a>WinXP computer to write a floppy I could not write in SuSE Linux

:-)>Solution?

mount -t vfat -o user,exec,rw /dev/fd0 /media/floppy

This is what I tried, and these are the reults:

when I try to delete a file on the floppy:

Access denied to /media/floppy/setup_p.ini

when I try to copy a file to the floppy, I get :

Writing to drives is not supported

First, have you tried mtools? From 9.0 I have had no problems mounting a floppy. The mount command, above should be issued as root. If you set up and entry in /etc/fstab, then you can mount and unmount as a regular user. Here is my fstab entry: /dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto noauto,user,sync 0 0

*You* can do that, if you wish. You do *not* need our permission. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

* Doug McGarrett [06-07-04 21:21]:

On Monday 07 June 2004 22:01, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Doug McGarrett [06-07-04 20:06]:

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What is this subfs business? I don't think I've run into it before, and it seems to be a problem to a whole batch of people posting here. Why not just delete it across the board and go back to the fstab design that we had 5 years ago?

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First, have you tried mtools? From 9.0 I have had no problems mounting a floppy. The mount command, above should be issued as root. If you set up and entry in /etc/fstab, then you can mount and unmount as a regular user. Here is my fstab entry: /dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto noauto,user,sync 0 0

*You* can do that, if you wish. You do *not* need our permission.

I wasn't asking permission, I was asking what the devil this is, and why we should have it at all?

Guess I read your last sentence literally.

/rant on

It also seems to me, that if Linux is to become a desktop system, it has to to become more user-friendly, not less. If it is only going to be used in the corporate workplace, then probably a lot of these protective devices need to be in place, but if I'm going to use it in my home--without any kids, even--then there should be a simple way to turn most of these protections off. There does not seem to be any real need to prevent the user from writing to most of the media, except the root files. There might be a simple setup to allow a few users (mom, Pop, and the kids) separate permissions, but the idea of preventing anyone from doing anything ever is ridiculous.

And, even someone in an office might like to copy something to a floppy or a CD for safe keeping. Yeah, maybe Linux doesn't crash, but systems do.

rant off/

It is *something* to make the desktop "more user-friendly". Linux is not made to prevent "anyone from doing anything ever". Looks like you could benefit from reading some texts about the linux system and why things are the way they are. I would suggest for a start, the User's Guide and the System Administrator's Manual that are delivered with SuSE's boxed set. Perhaps this would relieve some of your frustrations and rantings. gud luk, -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

Le mardi 8 Juin 2004 03:07, Doug McGarrett a écrit :

What is this subfs business?  I don't think I've run into it before, and it seems to be a problem to a whole batch of people posting here.  Why not just delete it across the board and go back to the fstab design that we had  5 years ago?

I admit it's not perfect yet, but subfs is only a long overdue feature in SUSE. Most end-users - and god knows I've installed Linux for more than one in the last two or three years - can't understand why they have to manually mount or unmount discs. It's high time automount becomes the norm for a desktop system (as a corollary, you can always disable it in other cases, there's a whole article about that in the SUSE portal). And please remember that people mostly write here when they run into problems, while those who are happy usually keep quiet. This "subfs business" works very well on all the computers I've installed with 9.1, I'm happy with it so I don't write on the list about it. Don't make your opinion on the number of complaints here, please. If you must know, the only glitch I met with that new system is when I try to eject a DVD. The disc is too slow to stop spinning, so sometimes it's detected again as a new disc (and locked again) before I can eject it. Well, it's annoying but not critical. ;-) -- Thibaut Cousin http://www.thibaut-cousin.net

Saskman wrote:

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mount -t vfat -o user,exec,rw /dev/fd0 /media/floppy

This is what I tried, and these are the reults:

when I try to delete a file on the floppy:

Access denied to /media/floppy/setup_p.ini

when I try to copy a file to the floppy, I get :

Writing to drives is not supported

First, have you tried mtools? From 9.0 I have had no problems mounting a floppy. The mount command, above should be issued as root. If you set up and entry in /etc/fstab, then you can mount and unmount as a regular user. Here is my fstab entry: /dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto noauto,user,sync 0 0

Try: /dev/fd0 /media/floppy subfs fs=floppyfss,users,procuid,nodev,nosuid,sync 0 0 works for me

Brilliant! Adding users in fstab solves the problem. Thanks a lot. But this begs the question: why isn't this the default with a new 9.1 install? This is bound to create problems for users! FX

On Sunday 06 June 2004 08:40, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* fx fraipont [06-06-04 07:20]:

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I've just realized that in 9.1 floppies are mounted read only, which means you can't delete files or copy anything to floppy. I unmounted and then mounted RW, but it does not work. I looked silly running to a WinXP computer to write a floppy I could not write in SuSE Linux :-) Solution?

mount -t vfat -o user,exec,rw /dev/fd0 /media/floppy -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org /snip/ Is there a way to put this in the system so you never have to do it again? modify fstab, or something? I'd like to be able to write to or format a floppy from anywhere. --doug