Re: [opensuse-announce] SUSE Linux 10.1 Alpha4 Uploading
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
* Further integration of NetworkManager (note: NetworkManager is on by default on NLD/SUSE Linux and off on SLES)
Why? NetworkManager is already removed from my SUSE 10.0 because it ate a lot of CPU cycles. What does it do what I do not can do without it? Is it's use optional? When I found out that my system was slow because of NetworkManager I did a "man NetworkManager" to find out what it brings me but no man page was found. Is that fixed for the factory version? (Currently downloading, it will take a while on a 5Mbit link).
Andreas
Best regards, Aschwin Marsman -- aschwin@marsman.org http://www.marsman.org
Aschwin Marsman <aschwin@marsman.org> writes:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
* Further integration of NetworkManager (note: NetworkManager is on by default on NLD/SUSE Linux and off on SLES)
Why? NetworkManager is already removed from my SUSE 10.0 because it ate a lot of CPU cycles. What does it do what I do not can do without it? Is it's use optional?
You can just not install it and everything will work as on previous releases. NetworkManager is very handy for those travelling in different environments, especially different LAN and WLAN ones. It makes it far easier to switch between Networks for a normal user. It has seen many improvements since 10.0 and if it still uses lots of CPU cycles, I would ask to open bugreports with the NetworkManager folks.
When I found out that my system was slow because of NetworkManager I did a "man NetworkManager" to find out what it brings me but no man page was found. Is that fixed for the factory version? (Currently downloading, it will take a while on a 5Mbit link).
No, it does not come with man pages so far, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Aschwin Marsman <aschwin@marsman.org> writes:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
* Further integration of NetworkManager (note: NetworkManager is on by default on NLD/SUSE Linux and off on SLES)
Why? NetworkManager is already removed from my SUSE 10.0 because it ate a lot of CPU cycles. What does it do what I do not can do without it? Is it's use optional?
You can just not install it and everything will work as on previous releases.
Thanks for your quick reply.
NetworkManager is very handy for those travelling in different environments, especially different LAN and WLAN ones. It makes it far easier to switch between Networks for a normal user.
I currently have a shell script for that, but it looks like it's usefull for a lot of people. I will take a look at it.
It has seen many improvements since 10.0 and if it still uses lots of CPU cycles, I would ask to open bugreports with the NetworkManager folks.
I'm using the torrent to download, hopefully others will do too (34MB in 2 hours).
When I found out that my system was slow because of NetworkManager I did a "man NetworkManager" to find out what it brings me but no man page was found. Is that fixed for the factory version? (Currently downloading, it will take a while on a 5Mbit link).
No, it does not come with man pages so far,
Could that become a requirement for 10.1? For every process you see after a normal install, especially daemons, there must be a man page before it gets included? Maybe it can be generated if currently there isn't one officially, using: - rpm -qi output - link to a web page about the tool for more information, would be nice if this was already in the rpm -qi output
Andreas
Have a nice weekend, Aschwin Marsman -- aschwin@marsman.org http://www.marsman.org
Aschwin Marsman <aschwin@marsman.org> writes:
I'm using the torrent to download, hopefully others will do too (34MB in 2 hours).
I've uploaded 55 MB in the last 2 hours from home ;-) to feed others...
When I found out that my system was slow because of NetworkManager I did a "man NetworkManager" to find out what it brings me but no man page was found. Is that fixed for the factory version? (Currently downloading, it will take a while on a 5Mbit link).
No, it does not come with man pages so far,
Could that become a requirement for 10.1? For every process you see after a normal install, especially daemons, there must be a man page before it gets included? Maybe it can be generated if currently there isn't one officially, using: - rpm -qi output - link to a web page about the tool for more information, would be nice if this was already in the rpm -qi output
I doubt we'll get this in for 10.1 - but add it to the Wiki, we should have something for this. Btw. a lot of graphical apps came with manuals and no man pages, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Hi, If I install 10.1 Alpha4 now and the Beta is released several weeks later as planned, is there an easy path to upgrade? I am currently running Kubuntu and upgrade with apt-get is a fairly well defined process. I just don't want to have to download the Beta ISOs in six weeks or so and then reinstall everything from scratch. Thanks, Sean
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 07:15:07AM -0600, Sean Kelley wrote:
If I install 10.1 Alpha4 now and the Beta is released several weeks later as planned, is there an easy path to upgrade? I am currently running Kubuntu and upgrade with apt-get is a fairly well defined process. I just don't want to have to download the Beta ISOs in six weeks or so and then reinstall everything from scratch.
Update between Alphas and Betas is not supported, but should work. Update between stable releases are supported, so please test the update from stable release to beta too (e.g. 10.0 -> 10.1 beta1) and report any problems you encounter in bugzilla. To update, boot from the new installation media and select "update" instead of "new installation" where you have the choice (first or second screen in YaST, if I'm not mistaken). Sonja -- Sonja Krause-Harder (skh@suse.de) Research & Development SUSE Linux Products GmbH
To update, boot from the new installation media and select "update" instead of "new installation" where you have the choice (first or second screen in YaST, if I'm not mistaken).
But... that still means that "we" need to download the ISOs with each Beta release vs doing something similar to the apt update that Ubuntu supports to move to a new version. So... is the "easy path" downloading a complete ISO set each time? or will delta ISOs be provided again? or is there a possibility that SMART can be used to move to the next Beta? C.
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005, Sean Kelley wrote:
If I install 10.1 Alpha4 now and the Beta is released several weeks later as planned, is there an easy path to upgrade? I am currently running Kubuntu and upgrade with apt-get is a fairly well defined process. I just don't want to have to download the Beta ISOs in six weeks or so and then reinstall everything from scratch.
You want to have a look at http://www.opensuse.org/Updating_SUSE_Linux ;) Regards Christoph
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