[opensuse] disappearing email
hi all I was just reading Per's email about the lack of dolphin refresh ( i got about half way through) and it vanished from sight and from the list. It wasn't in the waste bin. I closed kmail and gave it a minute before restarting and it didn't reappear but the thread of 2 replies that was attached to Per's email was the last to reappear on restart. This thread is in the middle of todays emails so it wasn't at the top of the list, strange refresh process for it to appear after the latest emails in the list. I'll check again tomorrow to see if it reappears Ian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 4/2/2015 2:24 PM, ianseeks wrote:
hi all
I was just reading Per's email about the lack of dolphin refresh ( i got about half way through) and it vanished from sight and from the list. It wasn't in the waste bin.
I closed kmail and gave it a minute before restarting and it didn't reappear but the thread of 2 replies that was attached to Per's email was the last to reappear on restart. This thread is in the middle of todays emails so it wasn't at the top of the list, strange refresh process for it to appear after the latest emails in the list.
I'll check again tomorrow to see if it reappears
Ian
Very interesting. Kmail has been known to be a tad flaky at times, And Yahoo has a nonstandard imap setup. If it was read via the web, it could disappear from kmail. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 02 Apr 2015 14:35:11 John Andersen wrote:
On 4/2/2015 2:24 PM, ianseeks wrote:
hi all
I was just reading Per's email about the lack of dolphin refresh ( i got about half way through) and it vanished from sight and from the list. It wasn't in the waste bin.
I closed kmail and gave it a minute before restarting and it didn't reappear but the thread of 2 replies that was attached to Per's email was the last to reappear on restart. This thread is in the middle of todays emails so it wasn't at the top of the list, strange refresh process for it to appear after the latest emails in the list.
I'll check again tomorrow to see if it reappears
Ian
Very interesting. Kmail has been known to be a tad flaky at times, And Yahoo has a nonstandard imap setup. If it was read via the web, it could disappear from kmail.
Well, it hasn't reappeared today. I'm using the POP Yahoo I don't check my Yahoo mailing list emails from the web so that can't be the issue but surely shouldn't kmail fetch the email even if its been read via the web (or is there a setting somewhere to say ignore (or fetch) read emails that have been read)? Something somewhere does appear to be a bit flaky. I can also get emails that have been replied to appear for the first time half way down a thread -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/03/2015 08:04 AM, ianseeks wrote:
Well, it hasn't reappeared today. I'm using the POP Yahoo I don't check my Yahoo mailing list emails from the web so that can't be the issue but surely shouldn't kmail fetch the email even if its been read via the web (or is there a setting somewhere to say ignore (or fetch) read emails that have been read)?
That has been a perpetual problem with POP since the Pleistocene. There may be a kmail setting to fetch even if already read, but you do not want to go there. Every single mail would have to be fetched over and over and over by each device reading the email account until you delete it. All email readers have to be instructed to read but not delete, except one. Got more than one computer, a smart-phone, a tablet? What a mess. Its 2015. The world has moved to Imap. I use Yahoo via Imap (with Tbird) and android it works great that way. See: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?64390-How-to-setup-KMail-with-Y... -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/03/2015 08:04 AM, ianseeks wrote:
Well, it hasn't reappeared today. I'm using the POP Yahoo I don't check my Yahoo mailing list emails from the web so that can't be the issue but surely shouldn't kmail fetch the email even if its been read via the web (or is there a setting somewhere to say ignore (or fetch) read emails that have been read)? That has been a perpetual problem with POP since the Pleistocene. There may be a kmail setting to fetch even if already read, but you do not want to go there. Every single mail would have to be fetched over and over and over by each device reading the email account until you delete it. All email readers have to be instructed to read but not delete, except one. Got more than one computer, a smart-phone, a tablet? What a mess.
Its 2015. The world has moved to Imap.
I use Yahoo via Imap (with Tbird) and android it works great that way. See: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?64390-How-to-setup-KMail-with-> Yahoo-IMAP
On Friday 03 Apr 2015 11:33:35 John Andersen wrote: thanks, i'll look into moving to imap -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-04-04 13:06, ianseeks wrote:
On Friday 03 Apr 2015 11:33:35 John Andersen wrote:
On 04/03/2015 08:04 AM, ianseeks wrote:
Well, it hasn't reappeared today. I'm using the POP Yahoo I don't check my
Its 2015. The world has moved to Imap.
I use Yahoo via Imap (with Tbird) and android it works great that way. See: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?64390-How-to-setup-KMail-with-> Yahoo-IMAP thanks, i'll look into moving to imap
I don't know about yahoo, but on gmail, on the web page there is a setting where you can reset the read index for POP, to a certain date IIRC, so that you can refetch a bunch of email that way. That is, if you want POP. IMAP is so much better. I have one account that doesn't have IMAP, though... - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlUhargACgkQja8UbcUWM1wxHwD/S9gc189x+osg2xRANeXKjZaM dTRFSBqG7/rzTZ9jUfEA/0WIpX8jQMNWLS+ytXCHPhdmcgujE//8AGugL0daVeWf =jOzY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sunday 05 Apr 2015 19:02:48 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2015-04-04 13:06, ianseeks wrote:
On Friday 03 Apr 2015 11:33:35 John Andersen wrote:
On 04/03/2015 08:04 AM, ianseeks wrote:
Well, it hasn't reappeared today. I'm using the POP Yahoo I don't check my
Its 2015. The world has moved to Imap.
I use Yahoo via Imap (with Tbird) and android it works great that way. See: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?64390-How-to-setup-KMail-wit h-> Yahoo-IMAP
thanks, i'll look into moving to imap
I don't know about yahoo, but on gmail, on the web page there is a setting where you can reset the read index for POP, to a certain date IIRC, so that you can refetch a bunch of email that way.
That is, if you want POP. IMAP is so much better. I have one account that doesn't have IMAP, though...
Thanks. I'm going to move to imap as that seems the best thing to do.
-- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith))
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On 04/06/2015 09:07 AM, ianseeks wrote:
Thanks. I'm going to move to imap as that seems the best thing to do.
IMAP is definitely the way to go. With it, you can have as many email clients, on as many devices, as you wish. While you're at it, configure for SSL/TLS, as this provides encryption between you and the server. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 6 Apr 2015 11:18:22 James Knott wrote:
On 04/06/2015 09:07 AM, ianseeks wrote:
Thanks. I'm going to move to imap as that seems the best thing to do.
IMAP is definitely the way to go. With it, you can have as many email clients, on as many devices, as you wish. While you're at it, configure for SSL/TLS, as this provides encryption between you and the server.
I run a local Dovecot IMAP server, with fetchmail collecting emails from four different external email accounts, plus my wife's email as well, all on a Raspberry Pi. It also runs spamassassin, procmail and sendmail for local delivery, and does it all with an average CPU load of 0.01 (but you must use compiled rulesets with spamd, otherwise the CPU load goes through the roof). The nice thing is that it can run 24/7, headless, making no noise, using <5W worth of power, and all my mail clients (my openSuSE desktop and laptop(s), iPad, iPhone or my wife's Windows 7 Laptop) read the mail locally via Kmail (on Linux), the iOS Mail client, or M$ Outlook. I also have it setup so that mobile clients can read the mail remotely, either via NAT/Port Forwarding using IMAPS/TLS, or via a secure SSL VPN tunnel (preferred, but not as friendly for the non-techie wife). For management, I have it using private key authentication (no password) via ssh, and I can of course access that via the VPN tunnel as well (which, incidentally, is managed by an openVPN server running on another Raspberry Pi). And yes, there is an openSuSE image for the Raspberry Pi, but I haven't tried it yet. Mine are running Raspbian, but I've got a spare so I'm hoping to fire that up with oS and see how it goes. I guess all that was to say that yes, I agree, IMAP is definitely the way to go. -- ============================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au ============================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/03/2015 02:33 PM, John Andersen wrote:
All email readers have to be instructed to read but not delete, except one. Got more than one computer, a smart-phone, a tablet? What a mess.
Its 2015. The world has moved to Imap.
I use Yahoo via Imap (with Tbird) and android it works great that way. See: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?64390-How-to-setup-KMail-with-Y...
Yah! Me-too! There is another way. Use fetchmail in POP-mode to a local store that you access via IMAP. I have a couple of antediluvian accounts with ISPs whose policy is that in order to get IMAP you have to purchase some upgraded package that includes a web site and database and all this is so much more than the deal i have with Dreamhost that it verges on extortion. So I stick with the low fee POP because that address is too widely known. Setting up a local server using Dovecot is marginally more complicated than installing openSUSE, but the amount of supporting documentation is much greater. Of course you can make it as complicated and challenging as you wish, but doesn't that go for any computer installation? I've chosen NOT to have a database-backed email repository, not to have a LDAP based NIS/SAMBA/RADIUS on my single workstation home system. KISS. But YMMV. Sendmail-Procmail-Postfix-Dovecot is comparatively easy to set up provided you don't do anything too esoteric. There are many HOW-TO documents that are formulaic. Follow the formula and get it to work before you try customizing -- don't aim for a highly customized set-up immediately. Get it working then make small, reversible, changes. Keep a record of what you do so you can (a) understand it, (b) repeat it, or (c) explain to use EXACTLY what you did if things go wrong. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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