On Tuesday 23 October 2012 10:38:15 am Mark Hounschell wrote:

On 10/23/2012 03:24 PM, Oddball wrote:

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I plead for more flexibility in user make-able changes. The way KDE works originally, the user can adjust the whole look and feel of 'his/her' desktop environment. Why openSUSE wants to control what the user should look at, or should feel? Even the other os improved much in this...

I've always wanted to do be able to do the same. The tools they provide never work of late. I think they do this on purpose? It wasn't always like this. I seem to remember long ago some of these things actually worked. Like maybe back in the 7x and 8x days.

mark

yea, it's a bitch getting old.... d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 23 October 2012 01:53:57 pm Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* kanenas [10-23-12 19:52]: ...

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yea, it's a bitch getting old....

but *more* of a bitch not!

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i agree w. that too, it's just too hard to talk sense to the young punks of today, they simply can not phathom how we went to school walking up hill both ways, in the snow, with nothing but a cli interface, a 120k hard drive and an ascii 33 tty, yet our code was perfect.... but, going to the original post, could it be that the syntax is --l instead of -l, perhaps with no space in between? d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 10/23/2012 11:38 PM, Mark Hounschell wrote:

On 10/23/2012 03:24 PM, Oddball wrote:

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I plead for more flexibility in user make-able changes. The way KDE works originally

I've always wanted to do be able to do the same. The tools they provide never work of late. I think they do this on purpose? It wasn't always like this. I seem to remember long ago some of these things actually worked. Like maybe back in the 7x and 8x days. ............................

- if i recall : Linus Torvalds recently uses XFCE ?? ............... best regards Ellan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Op 23-10-12 22:38, Mark Hounschell schreef:

I've always wanted to do be able to do the same. The tools they provide never work of late. I think they do this on purpose? It wasn't always like this. I seem to remember long ago some of these things actually worked. Like maybe back in the 7x and 8x days.

mark

It can be that many devs and testers left when the thing nobody wants to speak of, happened. Underemployment leads to choices of what to do with time, and the (this) 'Help list' got cleaned by unfriendly replies and such.... -- Have a nice day, Oddball. OS: Linux 3.4.11-2.16-desktop i686 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@EeePc-Rob-SFN9 Systeem: openSUSE 12.2 (i586) KDE: 4.8.5 (4.8.5) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Op 24-10-12 01:38, Felix Miata schreef:

I know YaST hasn't yet been fully adapted to supporting Grub 2, and I doubt its been updated to fully provide for Plymouth or Systemd either. Likely theming and branding are in similar states. If you want to get YaST to fix your boot screens to your liking, try removing Plymouth, and if your eeePC does not require anything Grub Legacy does not provide, removing Grub 2. None of my openSUSE systems have either Plymouth or Grub 2 installed, 12.2 or otherwise.

Grub2 is not bad, as the configuration tool provides/permits a simple way to add changes, which take about no time at all. Easy done is the keyword in this time, because time there is too little, always. What i see here is the lack of consequence: The boot-screen-handling is divided in 4 separate parts, which would not be a problem, if these parts were nicely put together in one field, from which they could be configured: systemsettings. We have: 1) Grub or grub2 bootloader (or lilo the other one, which name i do not remember right now) When using more than one os, one can not do without, simple, but np. 2) Plymouth, with 'the moving lights', which i think is a nice touch, if one only could change its background.... 3) KDM3, very old, for the loginscreen, which can only be changed to a worse state than the present. 4) The actually 'start-up' screen, that boots immediately into the os, and can be configured accurately, simple, and nice, like fading into the desktop, which looks very smooth to me. 1 and 4 are configurable, but on an entirely different spot. The logic escapes my comprehension at this point: Why searching the whole machine to find things that belong on one place? If we would let the cpu calculate, it would find a better alternative in no time at all: the logic solution. The grub2 config tool can be found here: http://ksmanis.wordpress.com/downloads/opensuse-downloads/ So, only 3 things have to be solved at this time: 1) How to change the background in the plymouth splash screens. 2) How to replace the KDM3 script with a KDM4 one. 3) Put all of them at the same place, or just create links to their config at one place. And with this, we create a much more user friendly desktop environment, which is very important, because people work better when they are happy, and more, if they don't have to loose valuable time on fruitless tries to make things to their likings. Maybe Yast would be the place to do it, maybe not. Maye sytemsettings is the place, and can link to root and yast anyway. Obvious is, that these things, should be easy to find, and easy to change: People Happy, No time wasted. My 2 cents, Kind Regards, -- Have a nice day, Oddball. OS: Linux 3.4.11-2.16-desktop i686 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@EeePc-Rob-SFN9 Systeem: openSUSE 12.2 (i586) KDE: 4.8.5 (4.8.5) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Op 27-10-12 04:56, Rajko schreef:

On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 08:16:57 +0200 Oddball wrote:

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If we would let the cpu calculate, it would find a better alternative in no time at all: the logic solution. I like this one :)

CPUs are better in translating one string to another. They seldom make mistakes. Problem is that someone have to sit down and write program that will tell CPU how to do that :)

Lol, it was merely a matter of speak: My own planning and organizing got much improved after watching sophisticated sw show me how to plan and organize. To think logical, like a computer, you mostly can find out yourself what is best. Surely it would take longer than a cpu would take, but shorter than to write an application to do it. I know coders who write fast, and good code, that saved me much time, and complicated calculations, i would have to do myself otherwise... -- Have a nice day, Oddball. OS: Linux 3.7.0-rc2-1-desktop i686 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@EeePc-Rob-SFN9 Systeem: openSUSE 12.2 (i586) KDE: 4.8.5 (4.8.5) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org