Since some time now I have constant problems with connecting to my ISP. After a short period of time the connection is disrupted. In normal cases the dialer (I am using kinternet) is trying to reconnect but this often causes the download of email, website to disrupt. My connection today does not stand longer as one or two minute and is sometimes as short as ten seconds. As I have to pay per dialing with a standard cost and after connection per minute the disconnecting is not only irritant but also costly. I looked into the man pages of pppd and others but do not seem to get my answers there. A google search is not possible for the moment. Could somebody help me on my way?
On Sunday 12 December 2004 01:53 am, Constant Brouerius van Nidek wrote:
Since some time now I have constant problems with connecting to my ISP. After a short period of time the connection is disrupted. In normal cases the dialer (I am using kinternet) is trying to reconnect but this often causes the download of email, website to disrupt. My connection today does not stand longer as one or two minute and is sometimes as short as ten seconds. As I have to pay per dialing with a standard cost and after connection per minute the disconnecting is not only irritant but also costly. I looked into the man pages of pppd and others but do not seem to get my answers there. A google search is not possible for the moment. Could somebody help me on my way? =========
What did your set your timeout to, when setting up the modem? You should have it at zero (0), if you want unlimited time connections or until you decide to end it. That would be the first thing I would check. YaST2>network devices>modem regards, Lee -- --- KMail v1.7.2 --- SuSE Linux Pro v9.2 --- Registered Linux User #225206 "Don't let the fear of striking out keep you from playing the game!"
On Monday 13 December 2004 01:43, BandiPat wrote:
On Sunday 12 December 2004 01:53 am, Constant Brouerius van Nidek wrote:
Since some time now I have constant problems with connecting to my ISP. After a short period of time the connection is disrupted. In normal cases the dialer (I am using kinternet) is =========
What did your set your timeout to, when setting up the modem? You should have it at zero (0), if you want unlimited time connections or until you decide to end it.
That would be the first thing I would check. YaST2>network devices>modem
Did indeed have a timeout set from 600 seconds and found in the /var/log/messages that reason for disconnect was :Timeout due to inactivity Do not realy understand that because I am visible following the activity (gkrellm and kinternet) and it disconnects also after a lot of activity just has stopped (1 /2 seconds). Seems to have improved though.
The Sunday 2004-12-12 at 06:53 -0000, Constant Brouerius van Nidek wrote:
I looked into the man pages of pppd and others but do not seem to get my answers there. A google search is not possible for the moment. Could somebody help me on my way?
You have to look up in the logs the reason of the disconections. /var/log/messages, search for pppd entries. You can try a diferent program, like wvdial, for example (CLI). -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
On Monday 13 December 2004 05:14, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Sunday 2004-12-12 at 06:53 -0000, Constant Brouerius van Nidek wrote:
I looked into the man pages of pppd and others but do not seem to get my answers there. A google search is not possible for the moment. Could somebody help me on my way?
You have to look up in the logs the reason of the disconections.
/var/log/messages, search for pppd entries.
You can try a diferent program, like wvdial, for example (CLI).
Carlos, Tried wvdial and found that although it worked like a rock in 9.0 the same setup does not function in 9.1. Looked into the /var/log/messages and discovered that there were every time unsuccessful contacts with ntp servers although in Yast I have instructed to never start ntp services. Changed that into start ntp services at boot and wonder if that will help.
On 12-Dec-04 Constant Brouerius van Nidek wrote:
Since some time now I have constant problems with connecting to my ISP. After a short period of time the connection is disrupted. In normal cases the dialer (I am using kinternet) is trying to reconnect but this often causes the download of email, website to disrupt. My connection today does not stand longer as one or two minute and is sometimes as short as ten seconds. As I have to pay per dialing with a standard cost and after connection per minute the disconnecting is not only irritant but also costly. I looked into the man pages of pppd and others but do not seem to get my answers there. A google search is not possible for the moment. Could somebody help me on my way?
I've been keeping an eye on this thread, but no-one seems to
have suggested the most obvious source of problems.
You say you're getting connection times as short as 10 seconds.
You should seriously consider whether
a) Your ISP is unreliable
b) Your telephone line is unreliable
c) Your modem is unreliable
i.e. look at sources external to your SuSE setup.
These can be difficult to test, however, unless you are in
a position to "swap" resources. If you can borrow a modem from
someone who isn't having problems, but you still have problems,
then it probably isn't your modem.
You could test (a+b) by using your phone line with a different
machine (e.g. from a friend whose setup works with his line),
dialling up to his ISP from your line with his machine. If this
fails, then it's almost certainly (a) or (b).
As for (a) vs (b), well you could try changing ISP and if this
solves it then it was (a).
To test (b) directly you would have to take your machine somewhere
else and try it from there, using the same ISP. You could also try
getting the telephone company to test your line.
I hope this helps. Unreliability "downstream" of your telephone
socket is an exasperating situation to be in. (I always have a
slight problem with the line, but once it used to be very bad.
It was only when the phone itself finally became almost unusable
through noise that they came out and ran a test on my actual
line from my end. This failed so indisputably that the engineer
replaced the overhead cable to my house, thereby discovering that
the insulation had failed, allowing rainwater to get into the
cable.)
Best wishes, and good luck!
Ted.
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On Monday 13 December 2004 22:27, Ted Harding wrote:
On 12-Dec-04 Constant Brouerius van Nidek wrote:
Since some time now I have constant problems with connecting to my ISP. After a short period of time the connection is
I've been keeping an eye on this thread, but no-one seems to have suggested the most obvious source of problems.
You say you're getting connection times as short as 10 seconds.
You should seriously consider whether
a) Your ISP is unreliable b) Your telephone line is unreliable c) Your modem is unreliable
i.e. look at sources external to your SuSE setup.
Have the feeling that you are right with especially b, telephone line is unreliable. It is known that in the corner where I live the lines are not up to standard but the problem is something from the last time so I just forgot it. Rainy season has started here and it may be that that is a reason for the unreliability. Just did not think about the coincidental occurrence. No other telephone lines I can use but I have to look into a new cdma telephone system which says it is connecting with a higher output as normal telephone lines. Thanks for the ideas.
If you have determined that it is indeed the quality of the line, there are still some things you can do for reliability. The disconnect comes after reaching a certain threshhold of errors. If you limit the connection speed, you should be less apt to reach that threshhold. B-) On Monday 13 December 2004 10:44 am, Constant Brouerius van Nidek wrote:
On Monday 13 December 2004 22:27, Ted Harding wrote:
On 12-Dec-04 Constant Brouerius van Nidek wrote:
Since some time now I have constant problems with connecting to my ISP. After a short period of time the connection is
I've been keeping an eye on this thread, but no-one seems to have suggested the most obvious source of problems.
You say you're getting connection times as short as 10 seconds.
You should seriously consider whether
a) Your ISP is unreliable b) Your telephone line is unreliable c) Your modem is unreliable
i.e. look at sources external to your SuSE setup.
Have the feeling that you are right with especially b, telephone line is unreliable. It is known that in the corner where I live the lines are not up to standard but the problem is something from the last time so I just forgot it. Rainy season has started here and it may be that that is a reason for the unreliability. Just did not think about the coincidental occurrence. No other telephone lines I can use but I have to look into a new cdma telephone system which says it is connecting with a higher output as normal telephone lines. Thanks for the ideas.
Constant you wrote that rainy season starts that means you may be like me in a tropical country ( i am in the PH ) me too i have many times a 28 kbps dial up phone wires going from tree to tree instead of soldering - just twisted wires to connect to next wire hence many bad contacts on the way to ISP - many kms to get interference from many sources there was a time i had daily a break of my ISP due to a radio station starting transmission each night from 11PM to midnight but the interference during thunderstorms, lightening or radio interference can easily be HEARD - just configure your modem to have the loudspeaker always on then you hear if interference is strong hans cyberspace ashram http://www.kriyayoga.com On Mon, 2004-12-13 at 10:57 -0700, Brad Bourn wrote:
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On Tuesday 14 December 2004 01:32, Hans Neukomm wrote:
Constant
you wrote that rainy season starts that means you may be like me in a tropical country ( i am in the PH )
I am in ID (Indonesia)
me too i have many times a 28 kbps dial up phone wires going from tree to tree instead of soldering - just twisted wires to connect to next wire hence many bad contacts on the way to ISP - many kms to get interference from many sources there was a time i had daily a break of my ISP due to a radio station starting transmission each night from 11PM to midnight
but
the interference during thunderstorms, lightening or radio interference can easily be HEARD - just configure your modem to have the loudspeaker always on then you hear if interference is strong
hans
Same kind of connection here. No soldering, from tree to some poles with connected wires like an wild hair piece, a lot of line noise and thunderstorms every day in the rainy season. The place where I live is known as the number one place in the world with the most lightning per year. This should fry every season some sixty to hundred modems but mine has been spared. Have some anti lightning wallplug for the telephone line. Perhaps that helps ;-)
Constant Brouerius van Nidek wrote:
On Tuesday 14 December 2004 01:32, Hans Neukomm wrote:
Constant
you wrote that rainy season starts that means you may be like me in a tropical country ( i am in the PH )
I am in ID (Indonesia)
me too i have many times a 28 kbps dial up phone wires going from tree to tree instead of soldering - just twisted wires to connect to next wire hence many bad contacts on the way to ISP - many kms to get interference from many sources there was a time i had daily a break of my ISP due to a radio station starting transmission each night from 11PM to midnight
but
the interference during thunderstorms, lightening or radio interference can easily be HEARD - just configure your modem to have the loudspeaker always on then you hear if interference is strong
hans
Same kind of connection here. No soldering, from tree to some poles with connected wires like an wild hair piece, a lot of line noise and thunderstorms every day in the rainy season. The place where I live is known as the number one place in the world with the most lightning per year. This should fry every season some sixty to hundred modems but mine has been spared. Have some anti lightning wallplug for the telephone line. Perhaps that helps ;-)
2 years ago i forgot to unplug my laptop and had my pwoersupply fried .. bnut that situation may explain why you get disconnected. listen to the noise level when such disconnects happen and compare the situation to calm clear weather days here i got broad band a few weeks ago and all such troubles are gone at least in one of my several island locations i love to work http://www.kriyayoga.com/philippines/index.html here another problem i encounter frequently when using major dial up ISP here - their share of SW sometimes is faulty and shows my account is empty while a verification shows plenty of hours. hence i get a disconnect with pppd error 19 for no reason ... sometimes days then suddenly all fine again dispite all i love it here :-) hans
On Wed, 2004-12-15 at 11:20, Hans Neukomm wrote:
Constant Brouerius van Nidek wrote:
On Tuesday 14 December 2004 01:32, Hans Neukomm wrote:
I am in ID (Indonesia)
Same kind of connection here. No soldering, from tree to some poles with connected wires like an wild hair piece, a lot of line noise and thunderstorms every day in the rainy season. The place where I live is known as the number one place in the world with the most lightning per year. This should fry every season some sixty to hundred modems but mine has been spared. Have some anti lightning wallplug for the telephone line. Perhaps that helps ;-)
2 years ago i forgot to unplug my laptop and had my pwoersupply fried ..
bnut that situation may explain why you get disconnected. listen to the noise level when such disconnects happen and compare the situation to calm clear weather days
here i got broad band a few weeks ago and all such troubles are gone at least in one of my several island locations i love to work here
another problem i encounter frequently when using major dial up ISP here - their share of SW sometimes is faulty and shows my account is empty while a verification shows plenty of hours. hence i get a disconnect with pppd error 19 for no reason ... sometimes days then suddenly all fine again
dispite all i love it here :-)
hans
Hans, Please do not use HTML email on this list. If you are not sure as to why check the following link to find out why. Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989 SuSE since 1998 * Only reply to the list please*
Constant Brouerius van Nidek wrote:
Since some time now I have constant problems with connecting to my ISP. After a short period of time the connection is disrupted. In normal cases the dialer (I am using kinternet) is trying to reconnect but this often causes the download of email, website to disrupt. My connection today does not stand longer as one or two minute and is sometimes as short as ten seconds. As I have to pay per dialing with a standard cost and after connection per minute the disconnecting is not only irritant but also costly. I looked into the man pages of pppd and others but do not seem to get my answers there. A google search is not possible for the moment. Could somebody help me on my way? Hi Constant,
kinternet never worked for me on SuSE 9.0 and yet kppp was nice and easy to setup, bar an odd problem here and there. Personally, I'd dump kinternet and concentrate on getting kppp up and running. I set mine up two years ago and it hasn't given me a moments trouble ever since. HIH -- The kppp connected Little Helper ======================================================================== Hylton Conacher - Linux user # 229959 at http://counter.li.org Currently using SuSE 9.0 Professional with KDE 3.1 Licenced Windows user ========================================================================
Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:
Constant Brouerius van Nidek wrote:
Since some time now I have constant problems with connecting to my ISP. After a short period of time the connection is disrupted. In normal cases the dialer (I am using kinternet) is trying to reconnect but this often causes the download of email, website to disrupt. My connection today does not stand longer as one or two minute and is sometimes as short as ten seconds. As I have to pay per dialing with a standard cost and after connection per minute the disconnecting is not only irritant but also costly. I looked into the man pages of pppd and others but do not seem to get my answers there. A google search is not possible for the moment. Could somebody help me on my way?
Hi Constant,
kinternet never worked for me on SuSE 9.0 and yet kppp was nice and easy to setup, bar an odd problem here and there. Personally, I'd dump kinternet and concentrate on getting kppp up and running. I set mine up two years ago and it hasn't given me a moments trouble ever since.
I agree. I also found kinternet to be flakey.
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