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29 Nov 2011 29 Nov '11

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On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 07:33, Saydul Akram wrote:

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2011/11/24 C :

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Just a heads-up, X-Plane 10 was just announced today. See http://www.x-plane.com/ They release Windows, OSX, and Linux at the same time. If you are into flight sims, it's one of the best out there (yes, I know, Flightgear... but X-Plane is more detailed, more accurate etc)

unfortunately this game is not free

And? What's your point? Lots of Linux software is pay-for.... particularly top tier commercial release software. The Humble Bundle Games are not free... X-Plane is not free... VariCAD is not free... SLED/SLES is not free.... the list of commercial/pay-for software for Linux is rather big. If you want a free flight simulator, then look at Flightgear - while an excellent flight sim on its own, it doesn't come anywhere near X-Plane in any feature or aspect. If you're into flight sims, X-Plane is the best available (it's used in professional flight training simulators, including ones that are FAA certified). C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Jim Henderson

29 Nov 29 Nov

18:44

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Another one for the gamers here - X-Plane 10 release announced

On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 08:34:47 +0100, C wrote:

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And? What's your point? Lots of Linux software is pay-for.... particularly top tier commercial release software. The Humble Bundle Games are not free... X-Plane is not free... VariCAD is not free... SLED/SLES is not free.... the list of commercial/pay-for software for Linux is rather big.

Indeed, and X-Plane is a *very* good simulator. I've owned version 9 for a couple of years now. :) Unfortunately, the current Catalyst driver doesn't work well with 12.1 +GNOME3 on my new system (Radeon 4200 HD video controller), and XP10 doesn't work with the radeon driver. But their support agrees with me that it *should* probably work with the radeon driver, so they're trying to help. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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19:51

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On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 19:44, Jim Henderson wrote:

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Indeed, and X-Plane is a *very* good simulator. I've owned version 9 for a couple of years now. :)

I started buying it on version 8 :-) It's come a long way since then. I've purchased several aircraft and quite a bit of the extra scenery addons - my personal favorite is "Inside Passage", the scenery for Vancouver and Vancouver Island area.

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Unfortunately, the current Catalyst driver doesn't work well with 12.1 +GNOME3 on my new system (Radeon 4200 HD video controller), and XP10 doesn't work with the radeon driver.

But their support agrees with me that it *should* probably work with the radeon driver, so they're trying to help.

Ouch, that is going to hurt. I've tested the Demo on my nVidia GTX260 and it works quite well. I've helped out the LR developers a little bit (email conversations and testing changes) back around the end of the v8, beginning of v9 time frame, helping them work out the Linux issues at the time... things like even mounting the DVDs were a significant issue with the older releases. They are a good bunch of devs :-) C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Jim Henderson

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On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 20:51:49 +0100, C wrote:

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On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 19:44, Jim Henderson wrote:

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Indeed, and X-Plane is a *very* good simulator. I've owned version 9 for a couple of years now. :)

I started buying it on version 8 :-) It's come a long way since then. I've purchased several aircraft and quite a bit of the extra scenery addons - my personal favorite is "Inside Passage", the scenery for Vancouver and Vancouver Island area.

I saw that when it came out - haven't purchased any add-on stuff yet, been pretty good with it with the defaults and free aircraft from the forums.

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Unfortunately, the current Catalyst driver doesn't work well with 12.1 +GNOME3 on my new system (Radeon 4200 HD video controller), and XP10 doesn't work with the radeon driver.

But their support agrees with me that it *should* probably work with the radeon driver, so they're trying to help.

Ouch, that is going to hurt. I've tested the Demo on my nVidia GTX260 and it works quite well.

That's good to know. I just bought a new system (a refurb HP system with a quad-core Athlon CPU and 6 GB of memory), and I think I'm probably going to replace the video card. I'll keep that nVidia card in mind - I've been thinking I'd probably go nVidia as I've generally had better luck with those drivers.

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I've helped out the LR developers a little bit (email conversations and testing changes) back around the end of the v8, beginning of v9 time frame, helping them work out the Linux issues at the time... things like even mounting the DVDs were a significant issue with the older releases. They are a good bunch of devs :-)

Indeed they are. I've been very impressed - would love to see a 64-bit version so it can cache more of the scenery, though. Sounds like it might be on its way during the 10 cycle. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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30 Nov 30 Nov

07:25

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Another one for the gamers here - X-Plane 10 release announced

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 22:27, Jim Henderson wrote:

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I saw that when it came out - haven't purchased any add-on stuff yet, been pretty good with it with the defaults and free aircraft from the forums.

Yes, some excellent stuff there - for anyone curious, the main forum is http://www.x-plane.org Here you can find a load of scenery objects, and aircraft that are released for free... as well as links to commercially released addons. There are other community sites, but this is the biggest one I know of.

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That's good to know. I just bought a new system (a refurb HP system with a quad-core Athlon CPU and 6 GB of memory), and I think I'm probably going to replace the video card. I'll keep that nVidia card in mind - I've been thinking I'd probably go nVidia as I've generally had better luck with those drivers.

It's always a proverbial tossup when it comes to video cards. It depends on what you want. I usually tell people.... if you don't care about gaming, then get whatever card you want, including integrated Intel. In recent years, Linux drivers for ATI have come a long way - both on the community and proprietary drivers. That said, ATI still drops support for older cards so fast it makes your head spin, and you're stuck with the community drivers which usually don't quite cut it for gaming. nVidia have been a "just works" for me and most people for quite a few years now. They are the card to pick for any kind of gaming on Linux... and that is regardless of Wine, native etc... the same rule applies to Macs... ATI there is a nightmare for people expecting/wanting to use Wine for gaming. If you're looking at a new vid card, the now older GT200 series cards are often on sale for 35 to 40 Euro, and they work fine for even the most recent games. If you poke the used market, there are loads floating about for next to nothing from people upgrading to the GT500's Now that the nVidia repository is up and available for openSUSE12.1, you just need to add the Nvidia Community repository, install the driver via YaST and restart... it's worked every time for me on 12.1 :-) C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Jim Henderson

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On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:25:42 +0100, C wrote:

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It's always a proverbial tossup when it comes to video cards. It depends on what you want. I usually tell people.... if you don't care about gaming, then get whatever card you want, including integrated Intel.

In recent years, Linux drivers for ATI have come a long way - both on the community and proprietary drivers. That said, ATI still drops support for older cards so fast it makes your head spin, and you're stuck with the community drivers which usually don't quite cut it for gaming.

I'd noticed the drop in support for ATI drivers - my laptop (a Dell D610 - same as my wife's) has an X300 card in it - but the radeon driver works well enough for GNOME3. The 4200HD isn't that old of a card, but I was completely surprised by how unstable the Catalyst drivers are with it. But as a point of comparison, I booted the pre-installed Win7 up to try X- Plane on, and the performance also wasn't great even with the Windows Catalyst driver - so I think a replacement video controller is *definitely* in the cards. The video card needs to be able to keep up with the CPU, and this one just can't (given the machine only cost me $350, though, I wasn't expecting much <g>).

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nVidia have been a "just works" for me and most people for quite a few years now. They are the card to pick for any kind of gaming on Linux... and that is regardless of Wine, native etc... the same rule applies to Macs... ATI there is a nightmare for people expecting/wanting to use Wine for gaming.

My older x64 HP system has an nVidia controller in it, and I've always had outstanding luck with the nVidia drivers.

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If you're looking at a new vid card, the now older GT200 series cards are often on sale for 35 to 40 Euro, and they work fine for even the most recent games. If you poke the used market, there are loads floating about for next to nothing from people upgrading to the GT500's

Also great advice - thanks! Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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