On 5/6/08, John Andersen wrote:

You should NOT have had to use the any-any hack.

If you had kernel source and headers and kerne-syms installed it builds correctly without the any-any hack.

I had no kernel-syms installed, I have just installed it but I didn't try again to install vmware server because as I said, I installed using any-to-any. I am not sure if the kernel-syms will solve the problem because I still can not see /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h thanks, Ionut -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Clayton wrote:

It's marked as resolved... but is it? What is the solution? Or is it just a "not going to fix it because I'm a kernel developer and I would never use kernel headers" thing? Having just the kernel headers like other distros do would be a nice improvement for openSUSE.

No, it's more like "this is vmware's problem, as they do not want to opensource the drivers and include them in the kernel" thing. You can read the conversation there in the case. Too sad that more often this attitude happens on opensuse bugzilla - there was a ran a few weeks ago about such a behavior. -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 07 May 2008, Clayton wrote:

The more this stuff happens with openSUSE, the less I see "us" as a community :-( What happened? Does anyone care anymore?

C.

I firmly think the community thing is strictly applicable to Suse employees they are the community now we are incidentals that no longer count There will no doubt be the people out there that dissagree with me it is for them to prove other wise as i have said in another thread i am beggining to have doubts about the entire novell ruled suse thing they way things are going we will loose users to windBloWs very quickly .. Pete . -- SuSE Linux 10.3-Alpha3. (Linux is like a wigwam - no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 2:56 PM, John Andersen wrote:

Well, you have as much of a chance of forcing your viewpoint onto the opensuse distro as you do of forcing it on Kubuntu, or Debian, or Slackware.

If you get involved, make a solid case, Document the situation , pitch in and do some work, you might convince enough people that your way is best.

But carping on a mailing list probably won't do it.

OK, there is an indicator for how important is the issue (and actually how active is the community) - its' voting for a bug. When I filed the bug few months ago, and after I had this unproductive conversation with the opensuse kernel guy, I decided to ask the community for help - i.e. tried to convince more people that the proposal I have is reasonable. Guess what - no one vote for the bug, nor response to the maillist post. So, yes I assume, that this is not important for most of the users here, but not important does not translate to "right". It is not only for the vmware (btw, they already opensourced their tools and drivers), but a bunch of webcam drivers (opensource, but not in the kernel), or if for some reason I want to install nvidia or ati drivers manually - still it's unreasonable to have the whole kernel source tree - it is not needed. Just proper -headers should be enough. I would say that I did some work on the case, just I can not do more with my current knowledge. So please, if anyone agrees, that this proposal is reasonable, go, reopen and vote for the case. Maybe this will send the right signal. Cheers -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 07 May 2008, John Andersen wrote:

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:44 PM, peter nikolic

wrote:

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On Wednesday 07 May 2008, Clayton wrote:

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The more this stuff happens with openSUSE, the less I see "us" as a community :-( What happened? Does anyone care anymore?

C.

I firmly think the community thing is strictly applicable to Suse employees they are the community now we are incidentals that no longer count

Well, you have as much of a chance of forcing your viewpoint onto the opensuse distro as you do of forcing it on Kubuntu, or Debian, or Slackware.

If you get involved, make a solid case, Document the situation , pitch in and do some work, you might convince enough people that your way is best.

But carping on a mailing list probably won't do it.

-- ----------JSA---------

I do wish people would sort there mail clients OUT there is no need for List mail and PRIVATE mail you only need to reply to list i find it extreemley iritating getting multiple copies of email And as far as CARPING goes .. well mailing list is SUPPOSED to be the focal point for the suse users and if the bigwigs stuck in there ivory towers care not to pay attention to the list then so be it BUT when the shit hts the fan they wont be able to say we did not know just because they are too LAZY to pay attention , IWILL continue to CARP on as you call it i may CARP on a LOT LOUDER yet until some little TWIT PAYS A LITTLE ATTENTIONto the everyday users I hate to CARP on but needs must and all that CARP CARP CARP Pete CARPING ON .. -- SuSE Linux 10.3-Alpha3. (Linux is like a wigwam - no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org