[opensuse] opeSUSE wiki needs editors
If you have interest to create, edit and organize the openSUSE documentation at http://en.opensuse.org we need you. There is often complaint that there is hard to find information on openSUSE wiki, that information is not up to date, or articles are hard to read and understand, and that is to some extent truth. The problem is that there is not many people that will browse wiki and look for misplaced, outdated, wrong, information, that will correct errors, discuss, and give ideas, how to organize information, and how to organize maintenance in a first place. The http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team is understaffed for the size of the wiki to the extent that only some urgent tasks are done. There is no time to discuss how to organize information, research Internet for examples and analyze them, to pick up already developed methods to deal with information, and apply them to our wiki. The methods used on Wikipedia work for very large numbers of contributors that can organize themselves in groups that take responsibility for portion of Wikipedia information maintenance, but for our small wiki we will be happy to have few people more interested in such activities. -- Regards, Rajko OpenSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On my opinion ,every week there should be a mail posted.which should
contain all the stuffs mentioned which has to be finished in a
particular desired manner and according to their importance it should
be listed.
This will help the new members and as well as the existings ones to
know what are the prior things to be edited...and then if they have
doubts they mail them to the wiki mailing list,to get it solved.
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On Oct 11, 2009, at 11:13 PM, "Rajko M." n
If you have interest to create, edit and organize the openSUSE documentation at http://en.opensuse.org we need you.
There is often complaint that there is hard to find information on openSUSE wiki, that information is not up to date, or articles are hard to read and understand, and that is to some extent truth.
The problem is that there is not many people that will browse wiki and look for misplaced, outdated, wrong, information, that will correct errors, discuss, and give ideas, how to organize information, and how to organize maintenance in a first place. The http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team is understaffed for the size of the wiki to the extent that only some urgent tasks are done.
There is no time to discuss how to organize information, research Internet for examples and analyze them, to pick up already developed methods to deal with information, and apply them to our wiki.
The methods used on Wikipedia work for very large numbers of contributors that can organize themselves in groups that take responsibility for portion of Wikipedia information maintenance, but for our small wiki we will be happy to have few people more interested in such activities.
-- Regards, Rajko
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On Sunday 11 October 2009 12:55:54 Shayon wrote:
On my opinion ,every week there should be a mail posted.which should contain all the stuffs mentioned which has to be finished in a particular desired manner and according to their importance it should be listed.
Good idea. Once a week would be OK, it will not add much to traffic on this list, and documentation is problem for everyone when it is not properly maintained. It makes us repeating the same stuff time and again.
This will help the new members and as well as the existings ones to know what are the prior things to be edited...and then if they have doubts they mail them to the wiki mailing list,to get it solved.
This is also good idea to have same mail posted on the opensuse-wiki@opensuse.org so that discussion can be opened right there; using this list just to announce things currently in need of attention. -- Regards, Rajko OpenSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:57 AM, "Rajko M."
On Sunday 11 October 2009 12:55:54 Shayon wrote:
On my opinion ,every week there should be a mail posted.which should contain all the stuffs mentioned which has to be finished in a particular desired manner and according to their importance it should be listed.
Good idea. Once a week would be OK, it will not add much to traffic on this list, and documentation is problem for everyone when it is not properly maintained. It makes us repeating the same stuff time and again.
Fine,I am ok with it.or if everyone is feeling that it might be a noisy one then one mail in every two weeks would be a better one.as I suppose the task which have been posted should be completed first with a brief report(whoever takes the task for completion).
This will help the new members and as well as the existings ones to know what are the prior things to be edited...and then if they have doubts they mail them to the wiki mailing list,to get it solved.
This is also good idea to have same mail posted on the opensuse-wiki@opensuse.org so that discussion can be opened right there; using this list just to announce things currently in need of attention. Fine :)
-- Regards, Rajko
Warm regards Wwarlock(Shayon)
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Rajko M. wrote:
On Sunday 11 October 2009 12:55:54 Shayon wrote:
On my opinion ,every week there should be a mail posted.which should contain all the stuffs mentioned which has to be finished in a particular desired manner and according to their importance it should be listed. ... This is also good idea to have same mail posted on the opensuse-wiki@opensuse.org so that discussion can be opened right there; using this list just to announce things currently in need of attention.
I think a once a week announcement is a good idea but I also think the mail should contain a bold warning that followups should be to the wiki list, not to this tech support list. If it's technically possible, sending the mail to this list from the wikilist address might help - a simple reply would then be automatically sent to the wiki list. Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Oct 12, 2009, at 3:22 PM, Dave Howorth
Rajko M. wrote:
On Sunday 11 October 2009 12:55:54 Shayon wrote:
On my opinion ,every week there should be a mail posted.which should contain all the stuffs mentioned which has to be finished in a particular desired manner and according to their importance it should be listed. ... This is also good idea to have same mail posted on the opensuse-wiki@opensuse.org so that discussion can be opened right there; using this list just to announce things currently in need of attention.
I think a once a week announcement is a good idea but I also think the mail should contain a bold warning that followups should be to the wiki list, not to this tech support list.
If it's technically possible, sending the mail to this list from the wikilist address might help - a simple reply would then be automatically sent to the wiki list.
Ohk fine no problem,so now ultimatly what's the final desicision?
Cheers, Dave --
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On Monday 12 October 2009 06:35:35 Shayon wrote:
Ohk fine no problem,so now ultimatly what's the final desicision?
After sending answer to Dave, I was thinking what is the least intrusive form of notification, that will give hints, but prevent replies and discussion on this list. IMHO, short mail containing digest of topics covered in regular email to opensuse-wiki ML, with added link to archived version on lists.opensuse.org will be the best choice. -- Regards, Rajko OpenSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 12 October 2009 04:52:03 Dave Howorth wrote: ...
I think a once a week announcement is a good idea but I also think the mail should contain a bold warning that followups should be to the wiki list, not to this tech support list.
Good idea. It will.
If it's technically possible, sending the mail to this list from the wikilist address might help - a simple reply would then be automatically sent to the wiki list.
I can set Reply To opensuse-wiki, but it will confuse people when their reply doesn't appear here and if they are not subscribed to opensuse-wiki ML it will bounce emails, so, I'll stick with warning. The fact is that my only worry is that stray discussions about wiki can be considered as offtopic, which strictly will be the case, but on the other hand increasing effort on centralized documentation on the wiki [1] can improve help here. One HOWTO based on discussion here, that will condense knowledge spread in few articles on lists archives [2] will help us and new users. [1] http://en.opensuse.org/Boosters_Team/Projects/Discoverable_centralised_docum... [2] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/ -- Regards, Rajko OpenSUSE Wiki Team: http://en.opensuse.org/Wiki_Team People of openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/People_of_openSUSE/About -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
There is often complaint that there is hard to find information on openSUSE wiki, that information is not up to date, or articles are hard to read and understand, and that is to some extent truth.
It's the classic problem with technical docs on a Wiki. The experts already know the answers, so don't go to the Wiki to read it, and the new users don't have the technical background to fill in the gaps. I'm forever chasing down the devs for updates to the OpenOffice.org Wiki... One question... do confirmed Wiki Team members get admin/sysop rights on the wiki? (so they can move/delete pages etc.) or is this concentrated to a few admins? Shayon has made a good point... a semi regular posting to the mailing list here to remind people about Wiki maintenance might be a good thing - not so much so that it would be considered noise by the grumpier members here, but say every couple weeks, the team could send a status/reminder. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 11 October 2009 13:03:46 Clayton wrote:
There is often complaint that there is hard to find information on openSUSE wiki, that information is not up to date, or articles are hard to read and understand, and that is to some extent truth.
It's the classic problem with technical docs on a Wiki. The experts already know the answers, so don't go to the Wiki to read it, and the new users don't have the technical background to fill in the gaps. I'm forever chasing down the devs for updates to the OpenOffice.org Wiki...
It seems as good idea, to have one or more persons on openSUSE wiki that will do exactly the same. It means, having a lot of lists with contact information, tasks and comments on execution, but that is the only way to keep docs up to date.
One question... do confirmed Wiki Team members get admin/sysop rights on the wiki? (so they can move/delete pages etc.) or is this concentrated to a few admins?
Currently we don't have process where new editors should pass, be confirmed and get sysop rights. It is on case by case basis and currently only
Shayon has made a good point... a semi regular posting to the mailing list here to remind people about Wiki maintenance might be a good thing - not so much so that it would be considered noise by the grumpier members here, but say every couple weeks, the team could send a status/reminder.
Agreed.
C.
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