[opensuse] DVD Region Codes
Hi, I have successfully been able to use regionset to set my DVD / blu-ray drive to region 2 so that libdvdcss2 can de-crypt my DVDs. (Blu-ray discs work regardless of this). Originally the drive was set to 0 and would not play any of my region 1 or 2 dvds (played un-encrypted discs fine. Now the code is set, it plays region 2 (and un-encrypted discs) but not region 1 and regionset says I can only change it 3 times (2 left now). So my question is, how can I set the drive to be region free so I can play my DVDs from region 1 and other regions? I really do not want to have to rip all my discs or make duplicates with the protection removed because this would take a lot of time and is probably technically not legal. It must be possible seeing as when I used to have windows 7 on this PC (with the exact same drive) and used VLC with libdvdcss2 installed it played any disc even if it is not in the region the drive is set to, so it seems like windows or VLC or libdvdcss2 was just by-passing the region check. I have connected an IDE drive from an old DVD player which is region free and regionset could not detect any region (even 0) set on the drive. Maybe a clue? Has anyone managed to achieve this before? Thanks Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-04-14 23:17, Paul Groves wrote:
Hi,
I have successfully been able to use regionset to set my DVD / blu-ray drive to region 2 so that libdvdcss2 can de-crypt my DVDs. (Blu-ray discs work regardless of this).
Originally the drive was set to 0 and would not play any of my region 1 or 2 dvds (played un-encrypted discs fine. Now the code is set, it plays region 2 (and un-encrypted discs) but not region 1 and regionset says I can only change it 3 times (2 left now).
So my question is, how can I set the drive to be region free so I can play my DVDs from region 1 and other regions?
I never had to set up the region of my drive, it simply works. Region 0, I guess. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
15.04.2017 00:17, Paul Groves пишет:
Hi,
I have successfully been able to use regionset to set my DVD / blu-ray drive to region 2 so that libdvdcss2 can de-crypt my DVDs. (Blu-ray discs work regardless of this).
Originally the drive was set to 0 and would not play any of my region 1 or 2 dvds (played un-encrypted discs fine. Now the code is set, it plays region 2 (and un-encrypted discs) but not region 1 and regionset says I can only change it 3 times (2 left now).
So my question is, how can I set the drive to be region free so I can play my DVDs from region 1 and other regions?
I really do not want to have to rip all my discs or make duplicates with the protection removed because this would take a lot of time and is probably technically not legal.
Technically? I do not think "legal" is related to "technical". You will need to install region-free firmware for your DVD drive (assuming one exists). Whether this is more "legal" I cannot judge. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
So my question is, how can I set the drive to be region free so I can play my DVDs from region 1 and other regions? The idea of the DVD region code is to make sure you cannot play the DVDs you legally did buy at foreign. The aim is to maximize the profit of the industry and to minimize your ownership. Thus the limitation you encountered is a feature and it is working. If you find a pirated firmware or alternative OSS firmware that may do. But my advice is always: if you really think you need to watch blueraydiscs on a PC buy a second player and set it to the second region. Buy a third one and set it to the third region. Now you will be able to play your legally bought and owned BRD. Now if this seems to be unacceptable to you, you just found out why it was such a flop compared to DVD, especially in Europe. BTW the equivalent of this is GeoIP limitation in the internet. The same: legalized illegal behavior to maximize the profit of the industry and punish
In data venerdì 14 aprile 2017 22:17:51, Paul Groves ha scritto: the honest user. And people wonder about why users take advantage of VPN, proxychains and torrents on "the pirate bay". Weird. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
stakanov wrote:
In data venerdì 14 aprile 2017 22:17:51, Paul Groves ha scritto:
So my question is, how can I set the drive to be region free so I can play my DVDs from region 1 and other regions?
The idea of the DVD region code is to make sure you cannot play the DVDs you legally did buy at foreign.
Isn't this really a dead duck? For one thing, any-region DVD players have been available for at least 16 years (based on my personal experience), for another, isn't the DVD market slowly dying or virtually dead already?
But my advice is always: if you really think you need to watch blueraydiscs on a PC buy a second player and set it to the second region. Buy a third one and set it to the third region.
Buy a Pioneer any-region player. We've had two so far, works very well. The current one is a DV-696-AV, I bought it 2nd hand for CHF15. I bought the first such DVD player in Mediamarkt around 2002 - I asked the shop assistant about the multi-region feature, and she pulled out a sheet of A4 paper with the code and the instructions for how to disable to region-check. With the 2nd Pioneer player, it was disabled by default. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.4°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
stakanov wrote:
In data venerdì 14 aprile 2017 22:17:51, Paul Groves ha scritto:
So my question is, how can I set the drive to be region free so I can play my DVDs from region 1 and other regions?
The idea of the DVD region code is to make sure you cannot play the DVDs you legally did buy at foreign.
Isn't this really a dead duck? For one thing, any-region DVD players have been available for at least 16 years (based on my personal experience), for another, isn't the DVD market slowly dying or virtually dead already?
But my advice is always: if you really think you need to watch blueraydiscs on a PC buy a second player and set it to the second region. Buy a third one and set it to the third region.
Buy a Pioneer any-region player. We've had two so far, works very well. The current one is a DV-696-AV, I bought it 2nd hand for CHF15.
I bought the first such DVD player in Mediamarkt around 2002 - I asked the shop assistant about the multi-region feature, and she pulled out a sheet of A4 paper with the code and the instructions for how to disable to region-check. With the 2nd Pioneer player, it was disabled by default. Well, it depends if the import rules of the US (provided he is from the US) or
In data sabato 15 aprile 2017 10:08:07, Per Jessen ha scritto: the import rules of the country he is in allow the sales of this products. If not he could make one send to US. Odds are good that the customs do not understand the difference to a local BRD. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
stakanov wrote:
In data sabato 15 aprile 2017 10:08:07, Per Jessen ha scritto:
stakanov wrote:
In data venerdì 14 aprile 2017 22:17:51, Paul Groves ha scritto:
So my question is, how can I set the drive to be region free so I can play my DVDs from region 1 and other regions?
The idea of the DVD region code is to make sure you cannot play the DVDs you legally did buy at foreign.
Isn't this really a dead duck? For one thing, any-region DVD players have been available for at least 16 years (based on my personal experience), for another, isn't the DVD market slowly dying or virtually dead already?
But my advice is always: if you really think you need to watch blueraydiscs on a PC buy a second player and set it to the second region. Buy a third one and set it to the third region.
Buy a Pioneer any-region player. We've had two so far, works very well. The current one is a DV-696-AV, I bought it 2nd hand for CHF15.
I bought the first such DVD player in Mediamarkt around 2002 - I asked the shop assistant about the multi-region feature, and she pulled out a sheet of A4 paper with the code and the instructions for how to disable to region-check. With the 2nd Pioneer player, it was disabled by default.
Well, it depends if the import rules of the US (provided he is from the US) or the import rules of the country he is in allow the sales of this products.
Ah yes, that is true, I forgot. ISTR reading that disabling the region check for players in the US involved getting out a soldering iron. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.3°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 15/04/17 09:49, Per Jessen wrote:
Well, it depends if the import rules of the US (provided he is from
the US) or the import rules of the country he is in allow the sales of this products.
Ah yes, that is true, I forgot. ISTR reading that disabling the region check for players in the US involved getting out a soldering iron.
istr the region check ran foul of EU "free trade" rules, which is why, iirc, players bought there come set to 0 by default. "The land of the free" indeed :-) Cheers, Wol -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-04-15 10:08, Per Jessen wrote:
stakanov wrote:
In data venerdì 14 aprile 2017 22:17:51, Paul Groves ha scritto:
So my question is, how can I set the drive to be region free so I can play my DVDs from region 1 and other regions?
The idea of the DVD region code is to make sure you cannot play the DVDs you legally did buy at foreign.
Isn't this really a dead duck? For one thing, any-region DVD players have been available for at least 16 years (based on my personal experience), for another, isn't the DVD market slowly dying or virtually dead already?
But I understood that DVD playing on a Linux computer was essentially regionless, as long as you used the libdvdcss2 library. I do not have samples from other regions to try, though.
But my advice is always: if you really think you need to watch blueraydiscs on a PC buy a second player and set it to the second region. Buy a third one and set it to the third region.
Buy a Pioneer any-region player. We've had two so far, works very well. The current one is a DV-696-AV, I bought it 2nd hand for CHF15.
I bought the first such DVD player in Mediamarkt around 2002 - I asked the shop assistant about the multi-region feature, and she pulled out a sheet of A4 paper with the code and the instructions for how to disable to region-check. With the 2nd Pioneer player, it was disabled by default.
Are you talking of devices for computers, or standalone? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
In data sabato 15 aprile 2017 15:21:30, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
But I understood that DVD playing on a Linux computer was essentially regionless, as long as you used the libdvdcss2 library. I do not have samples from other regions to try, though. They are. Even Chinese stuff runs.
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Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-04-15 10:08, Per Jessen wrote:
stakanov wrote:
In data venerdì 14 aprile 2017 22:17:51, Paul Groves ha scritto:
So my question is, how can I set the drive to be region free so I can play my DVDs from region 1 and other regions?
The idea of the DVD region code is to make sure you cannot play the DVDs you legally did buy at foreign.
Isn't this really a dead duck? For one thing, any-region DVD players have been available for at least 16 years (based on my personal experience), for another, isn't the DVD market slowly dying or virtually dead already?
But I understood that DVD playing on a Linux computer was essentially regionless, as long as you used the libdvdcss2 library. I do not have samples from other regions to try, though.
I don't know, I haven't had the need to play DVDs on the computer for so long. I think I bought a DVD RW drive some years back, and it came with instructions for how to change the region, up to a maximum 3 times. I'm really not sure.
But my advice is always: if you really think you need to watch blueraydiscs on a PC buy a second player and set it to the second region. Buy a third one and set it to the third region.
Buy a Pioneer any-region player. We've had two so far, works very well. The current one is a DV-696-AV, I bought it 2nd hand for CHF15.
I bought the first such DVD player in Mediamarkt around 2002 - I asked the shop assistant about the multi-region feature, and she pulled out a sheet of A4 paper with the code and the instructions for how to disable to region-check. With the 2nd Pioneer player, it was disabled by default.
Are you talking of devices for computers, or standalone?
Standalone players. I did once want to use a DVD drive in the MythTV PC, but when I discovered it didn't have an SPDIF output, I decided to just get a standalone player instead. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (9.6°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/04/17 09:13, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-04-15 10:08, Per Jessen wrote:
stakanov wrote:
In data venerdì 14 aprile 2017 22:17:51, Paul Groves ha scritto:
So my question is, how can I set the drive to be region free so I can play my DVDs from region 1 and other regions? The idea of the DVD region code is to make sure you cannot play the DVDs you legally did buy at foreign. Isn't this really a dead duck? For one thing, any-region DVD players have been available for at least 16 years (based on my personal experience), for another, isn't the DVD market slowly dying or virtually dead already? I don't think the DVD market is dying out.. Otherwise companies like CEX and music magpie would be long gone.
I also have a rather substantial DVD collection and I do not want to have to buy the movies and TV shows I already own again (Which I think is the reason they are trying to get rid of commercial physical media).
But I understood that DVD playing on a Linux computer was essentially regionless, as long as you used the libdvdcss2 library. I do not have samples from other regions to try, though. I don't know, I haven't had the need to play DVDs on the computer for so long. I think I bought a DVD RW drive some years back, and it came with instructions for how to change the region, up to a maximum 3 times. I'm really not sure. I thought it was regionless on linux until I had this problem. Turns out it isn't. I already have libdvdcss2 installed and DVDs will play if I copy them and remove the region code, or play a DVD with no region code set such as home videos. My drive says it can be changed 3 times too. (2 now)
But my advice is always: if you really think you need to watch blueraydiscs on a PC buy a second player and set it to the second region. Buy a third one and set it to the third region. Buy a Pioneer any-region player. We've had two so far, works very well. The current one is a DV-696-AV, I bought it 2nd hand for CHF15.
I bought the first such DVD player in Mediamarkt around 2002 - I asked the shop assistant about the multi-region feature, and she pulled out a sheet of A4 paper with the code and the instructions for how to disable to region-check. With the 2nd Pioneer player, it was disabled by default. Are you talking of devices for computers, or standalone? Standalone players. I did once want to use a DVD drive in the MythTV PC, but when I discovered it didn't have an SPDIF output, I decided to just get a standalone player instead.
Thanks for all the replies Just to answer the questions / respond to comments: The PC in question is my living room HTPC. It is running kodi so I can do everything on it I need apart from the fact it refuses to play my legally purchased DVDs unless I set the region code, and they only let you change it 3 times otherwise I would just script it. My point is, why should I have to buy more hardware to do this? The whole point of a HTPC is to do everything in one box. PVR, CD, DVD, Bluray player and upnp client, which my box does, I am just stuck on the fact that protected DVDs only play when I set the region. If I: a. copy the DVD and remove the region code or b. copy and remove the encryption the DVD works fine (but this is only legal on a handful of DVDs and doesn't solve the problem). It is definitely a software problem as the different region DVDs work in Windows fine on the same box. Just I do not know how to fix it for Linux yet. Perhaps a setting somewhere that says 'skip checking region'? Is there a configuration file for libdvdcss2 settings? Also, as said in the O.P., blu-ray discs do not seem to check this region code as they all work regardless of the drive's setting. I cannot physically. install more DVD drives. My htpc case only has the one drive bay (slim slot-load laptop drive). I would rather not clutter up my living room with a pile of USB DVD drives when I have a perfectly working drive in the HTPC. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/16/2017 10:47 AM, Paul Groves wrote:
It is definitely a software problem as the different region DVDs work in Windows fine on the same box. Just I do not know how to fix it for Linux yet.
How sure of this are you? If the DVD drive itself is enforcing the region, how is windows getting around it? If it is strictly software enforcing the region Then how sure are you that you are running the correct libdvdcss2? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libdvdcss -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/04/17 19:26, John Andersen wrote:
On 04/16/2017 10:47 AM, Paul Groves wrote:
It is definitely a software problem as the different region DVDs work in Windows fine on the same box. Just I do not know how to fix it for Linux yet. How sure of this are you? Because the same PC with the same drive (but when it used to be on windows) played DVDs fine. Now I am running it on linux and now I have this problem.
Hence it is a software problem as the hardware is identical.
If the DVD drive itself is enforcing the region, how is windows getting around it?
That is why I have asked the list. I am stumped on this one and will be very grateful to whoever can help me resolve this problem.
If it is strictly software enforcing the region Then how sure are you that you are running the correct libdvdcss2?
I am using from the repos libdvdcss2 1.4.0-1~local But surely this is the correct version?If I have a DVD that won't play, copy it and remove the region code from video_ts.ifo it plays. Which means it had successfully de-crpyted it otherwise it wouldn't play. And also the data appears for that disc's ID in ~/.dvdcss (or whatever the correct path is, I don't have access to check right now). Then if I add the region code back in to the ISO and burn it again it doesn't work.
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On 2017-04-16 20:49, Paul Groves wrote:
On 16/04/17 19:26, John Andersen wrote:
On 04/16/2017 10:47 AM, Paul Groves wrote:
It is definitely a software problem as the different region DVDs work in Windows fine on the same box. Just I do not know how to fix it for Linux yet. How sure of this are you? Because the same PC with the same drive (but when it used to be on windows) played DVDs fine. Now I am running it on linux and now I have this problem.
Hence it is a software problem as the hardware is identical.
Yes, indeed. What software have you tried, kodi only? Try xine, mplayer, vlc, see if they all have the same problem. What I know is that I haven't ever set the region in any of my drives. In fact, I do not know this instant how to find the region set of them.
If it is strictly software enforcing the region Then how sure are you that you are running the correct libdvdcss2? I am using from the repos libdvdcss2 1.4.0-1~local
But surely this is the correct version?If I have a DVD that won't play, copy it and remove the region code from video_ts.ifo it plays. Which means it had successfully de-crpyted it otherwise it wouldn't play.
And also the data appears for that disc's ID in ~/.dvdcss (or whatever the correct path is, I don't have access to check right now).
Yes, I see the tittles of movies I watched in there. I only have a few DVDs, all European as far as I know. I can't test with DVDs from other regions, I don't know how to obtain them. How can one find out the region of a DVD? You mentioned a file, how? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 04/16/2017 01:47 PM, Paul Groves wrote:
On 16/04/17 09:13, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-04-15 10:08, Per Jessen wrote:
stakanov wrote:
In data venerdì 14 aprile 2017 22:17:51, Paul Groves ha scritto:
So my question is, how can I set the drive to be region free so I can play my DVDs from region 1 and other regions? The idea of the DVD region code is to make sure you cannot play the DVDs you legally did buy at foreign. Isn't this really a dead duck? For one thing, any-region DVD players have been available for at least 16 years (based on my personal experience), for another, isn't the DVD market slowly dying or virtually dead already? I don't think the DVD market is dying out.. Otherwise companies like CEX and music magpie would be long gone.
I also have a rather substantial DVD collection and I do not want to have to buy the movies and TV shows I already own again (Which I think is the reason they are trying to get rid of commercial physical media).
But I understood that DVD playing on a Linux computer was essentially regionless, as long as you used the libdvdcss2 library. I do not have samples from other regions to try, though. I don't know, I haven't had the need to play DVDs on the computer for so long. I think I bought a DVD RW drive some years back, and it came with instructions for how to change the region, up to a maximum 3 times. I'm really not sure. I thought it was regionless on linux until I had this problem. Turns out it isn't. I already have libdvdcss2 installed and DVDs will play if I copy them and remove the region code, or play a DVD with no region code set such as home videos. My drive says it can be changed 3 times too. (2 now)
But my advice is always: if you really think you need to watch blueraydiscs on a PC buy a second player and set it to the second region. Buy a third one and set it to the third region. Buy a Pioneer any-region player. We've had two so far, works very well. The current one is a DV-696-AV, I bought it 2nd hand for CHF15.
I bought the first such DVD player in Mediamarkt around 2002 - I asked the shop assistant about the multi-region feature, and she pulled out a sheet of A4 paper with the code and the instructions for how to disable to region-check. With the 2nd Pioneer player, it was disabled by default. Are you talking of devices for computers, or standalone? Standalone players. I did once want to use a DVD drive in the MythTV PC, but when I discovered it didn't have an SPDIF output, I decided to just get a standalone player instead.
Thanks for all the replies Just to answer the questions / respond to comments:
The PC in question is my living room HTPC. It is running kodi so I can do everything on it I need apart from the fact it refuses to play my legally purchased DVDs unless I set the region code, and they only let you change it 3 times otherwise I would just script it.
My point is, why should I have to buy more hardware to do this? The whole point of a HTPC is to do everything in one box. PVR, CD, DVD, Bluray player and upnp client, which my box does, I am just stuck on the fact that protected DVDs only play when I set the region.
If I: a. copy the DVD and remove the region code or b. copy and remove the encryption the DVD works fine (but this is only legal on a handful of DVDs and doesn't solve the problem).
It is definitely a software problem as the different region DVDs work in Windows fine on the same box. Just I do not know how to fix it for Linux yet.
Perhaps a setting somewhere that says 'skip checking region'? Is there a configuration file for libdvdcss2 settings?
Also, as said in the O.P., blu-ray discs do not seem to check this region code as they all work regardless of the drive's setting.
I cannot physically. install more DVD drives. My htpc case only has the one drive bay (slim slot-load laptop drive). I would rather not clutter up my living room with a pile of USB DVD drives when I have a perfectly working drive in the HTPC.
I seem to remember that someone on this thread said you can defeat the "region" in VLC, but I do not see a point in VLC as done in PCLOS that will do that. Maybe another distro has a different version? --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Paul Groves wrote:
On 16/04/17 09:13, Per Jessen wrote:
Isn't this really a dead duck? For one thing, any-region DVD players have been available for at least 16 years (based on my personal experience), for another, isn't the DVD market slowly dying or virtually dead already?
I don't think the DVD market is dying out.. Otherwise companies like CEX and music magpie would be long gone.
Just my gut feeling. Streaming and on-demand movies seem to making progress in leaps and bounds. I do occasionally buy a DVD in a 2nd hand shop, 2-3francs. Have never heard of CEX nor music magpie :-) On local mailing lists, I see people dumping their DVD collections quite frequently.
The PC in question is my living room HTPC. It is running kodi so I can do everything on it I need apart from the fact it refuses to play my legally purchased DVDs unless I set the region code, and they only let you change it 3 times otherwise I would just script it.
Very similar to what I wanted to do, except I use MythTV.
My point is, why should I have to buy more hardware to do this? The whole point of a HTPC is to do everything in one box. PVR, CD, DVD, Bluray player and upnp client, which my box does, I am just stuck on the fact that protected DVDs only play when I set the region.
Maybe you just need to get the right DVD drive? I've just looked at what's being sold in our local on-line shops, none of the specs say anything about region codes. I'll have to check the one I bought a couple of years ago. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.4°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
OK, some but not so much progress. As it was suggested that I connected the drive to another PC, so I connected it to my Ubuntu 16.10 64 bit desktop PC. In this PC I already have 2 dvd drives which both play any region dvd just fine. The first drive /dev/sr0 is a hp DDVDW TS-H653R which has no region set The second drive /dev/sr1 is a ATAPI DVD A DH16A6L-C which is locked to region 2 by default (4 changes left) The problem drive (from the HTPC) /dev/sr2 is a MATSHITABD-MLT UJ265 First thing I noticed with /dev/sr2 is that regionset says has no region set even though I set it to 2 on the HTPC. Also ubuntu says there are 5 changes left not 3 like my htpc box said. If I put any encrypted (any region) DVD in /dev/sr0 or /dev/sr1 it plays without question. I have watched many DVDs on this PC in the past with no problem. If I put the DVD in the problem /dev/sr2 when I press play it tries to load for a second but stops. I tried VLC / mplayer and ubuntu's video player. sr0 and sr1 play fine sr2 stops (although it does play blu ray discs no problem). I have tried purging libdvdcss2 and clearing the ~/.dvdcss folder but this made no difference. I also tried an unencrypted DVD (a home movie) and this plays on all 3 drives. So this confirms it to be a problem with my specific drive. (or so I thought). I then connected it to a windows PC (for the first time in over a year). And tried WMP and VLC and it bloody works just fine !!!!! I only installed VLC on the windows PC today from the videolan website which had libdvdcss2 install included. Thoughts on why this one drive will not play DVDs? I suspect perhaps it could be the drive firmware and that VLC in windows is ignoring the drive's firmware and just playing, but in linux for some reason the firmware of the drive is locking out playback? I heard that this used to be a massive problem years ago (if that is true then I can see why piracy has been such a big problem in the past if you legally buy a DVD and cannot play it). Does anyone know how to check the drive firmware version? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
I have contacted the manufacturer describing the issue with the drive and I have asked them if the firmware is to blame. Will post back the reply. On another note, does anyone on the list have any recommendations / experience as to which drive I could buy that will be fit for purpose? It must be slot loading It must be a slim laptop drive It must play DVD and blu ray (not worried about burning). Thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-04-17 21:47, Paul Groves wrote:
I have contacted the manufacturer describing the issue with the drive and I have asked them if the firmware is to blame. Will post back the reply.
I think you should rather contact the vlc guys. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 17/04/17 21:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-04-17 21:47, Paul Groves wrote:
I have contacted the manufacturer describing the issue with the drive and I have asked them if the firmware is to blame. Will post back the reply. I think you should rather contact the vlc guys.
As I said before the problem is also with mplayer and the ubuntu and KDE default video players not just VLC. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-04-17 22:52, Paul Groves wrote:
On 17/04/17 21:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-04-17 21:47, Paul Groves wrote:
I have contacted the manufacturer describing the issue with the drive and I have asked them if the firmware is to blame. Will post back the reply. I think you should rather contact the vlc guys.
As I said before the problem is also with mplayer and the ubuntu and KDE default video players not just VLC.
Well, contact them all :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 04/17/2017 11:51 AM, Paul Groves wrote:
I only installed VLC on the windows PC today from the videolan website which had libdvdcss2 install included.
You might have covered this and I missed it..... Is the Linux VLC that you have installed directly from the VLC repository www.videolan.org, version 1.4.0-1.2-x86_64 or is it from some other source. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
In data lunedì 17 aprile 2017 19:51:42, Paul Groves ha scritto:
Does anyone know how to check the drive firmware version?
sudo dmidecode should do. No guarantee though, I have not DVD on this laptop but Bios and firmware version show up well. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-04-18 08:54, stakanov wrote:
In data lunedì 17 aprile 2017 19:51:42, Paul Groves ha scritto:
Does anyone know how to check the drive firmware version?
sudo dmidecode
should do. No guarantee though, I have not DVD on this laptop but Bios and firmware version show up well.
I see only motherboard info. memory, connectors, etc. Not drives. "hwinfo --cdrom" show a few things. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
stakanov wrote:
In data lunedì 17 aprile 2017 19:51:42, Paul Groves ha scritto:
Does anyone know how to check the drive firmware version?
sudo dmidecode
should do. No guarantee though, I have not DVD on this laptop but Bios and firmware version show up well.
I very much doubt if dmidecode will be able to read out any soft-/firmware versions from the DVD drive. Maybe some ATAPI command. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.4°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
In data martedì 18 aprile 2017 10:35:27, Per Jessen ha scritto:
stakanov wrote:
In data lunedì 17 aprile 2017 19:51:42, Paul Groves ha scritto:
Does anyone know how to check the drive firmware version?
sudo dmidecode
should do. No guarantee though, I have not DVD on this laptop but Bios and firmware version show up well.
I very much doubt if dmidecode will be able to read out any soft-/firmware versions from the DVD drive. Maybe some ATAPI command.
lsscsi | grep dvd or sudo wodim -prcap dev=/dev/sr0 ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
stakanov wrote:
In data martedì 18 aprile 2017 10:35:27, Per Jessen ha scritto:
stakanov wrote:
In data lunedì 17 aprile 2017 19:51:42, Paul Groves ha scritto:
Does anyone know how to check the drive firmware version?
sudo dmidecode
should do. No guarantee though, I have not DVD on this laptop but Bios and firmware version show up well.
I very much doubt if dmidecode will be able to read out any soft-/firmware versions from the DVD drive. Maybe some ATAPI command.
lsscsi | grep dvd
Yes, lsscsi might just produce something useable, in the "revision" perhaps. Here is some output from a couple of my machines: [1:0:0:0] cd/dvd TEAC DW-224E-R C.AC /dev/sr0 [4:0:0:0] cd/dvd YAMAHA CRW2100E 1.0H /dev/sr0 [4:0:1:0] cd/dvd TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-M1712 1004 /dev/sr1 [1:0:0:0] cd/dvd TSSTcorp CD-ROM TS-H192C IB00 /dev/sr0 [0:0:0:0] cd/dvd TSSTcorp CD-ROM TS-L162C N204 /dev/sr0 [0:0:0:0] cd/dvd COMPAQ CD-ROM SN-124 N104 /dev/sr0 [0:0:0:0] cd/dvd HL-DT-ST RW/DVD GCC-4482B 1.05 /dev/sr0 [2:0:0:0] cd/dvd TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-224BB SB00 /dev/sr0 The last block of four chars (before the device name), is the "revision", I guess it might be a firmware version number. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.8°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 18/04/2017 à 11:15, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On 2017-04-18 10:44, stakanov wrote:
sudo wodim -prcap dev=/dev/sr0
cdrecord -prcap dev=/dev/sr0 | less
cdrecord -scanbus jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-04-18 11:16, jdd wrote:
Le 18/04/2017 à 11:15, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On 2017-04-18 10:44, stakanov wrote:
sudo wodim -prcap dev=/dev/sr0
cdrecord -prcap dev=/dev/sr0 | less
cdrecord -scanbus
What about the region? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 18/04/17 10:19, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-04-18 11:16, jdd wrote:
Le 18/04/2017 à 11:15, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On 2017-04-18 10:44, stakanov wrote:
sudo wodim -prcap dev=/dev/sr0 cdrecord -prcap dev=/dev/sr0 | less
cdrecord -scanbus What about the region?
Hi All, So after much investigating and back and forth with Panasonic I have discovered that this drive's firmware is locked to only play back protected DVDs in Windows. Panasonic have informed me that they have a contact with Microsoft to only allow playback on their OS. The funny thing is Windows cannot play DVDs without 3rd party software (VLC) so it all smells like BS to me. Panasonic sent me 2 drives (one blu-ray and the other DVD) both of them work fine in Windows and Linux but encrypted playback does not work in Linux. Panasonic refused to assist me in unlocking / flashing the firmware Panasonic also refused to refund me for the drive even though I am sure you will all strongly agree it is not fit for purpose and does not do as advertised (play DVDs). They also tried to pull the "we only support windows" card but it does not say that on the box. Yes it does say it supports windows but it doesn't say it does not support Linux anywhere at all, in fact they even have a driver for it on their website. Damn hypocrites. So in short the only way I would be able to watch DVDs is to illegally copy or download them. Way to prevent piracy Panasonic! You are definitely not encouraging pirate DVDs at all (seeing as you do not allow playing of my legally purchased ones). :/ So while I am battling to try to get my money back for this hunk-of-junk does anyone know of any drives that will work with encrypted DVDs? There are several on eBay but I would like to confirm one that will work before I buy would be great. The LG GS40N seems a good choice, does anyone have one of this model? Requirements: It must be slim (laptop size) It must be slot load (my case has no removable front panel, just a slot) It must at least support DVDs or CDs (not too worried about blu-ray as I only own a few of them) Alternatively, does anyone know how to flash a new firmware to my drive? Or even unlock the existing firmware? (I know absolutely nothing about this myself). Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-04-28 13:54, Paul Groves wrote:
Hi All,
So after much investigating and back and forth with Panasonic I have discovered that this drive's firmware is locked to only play back protected DVDs in Windows.
Panasonic have informed me that they have a contact with Microsoft to only allow playback on their OS. The funny thing is Windows cannot play DVDs without 3rd party software (VLC) so it all smells like BS to me.
As I recall, I told you to ask the VLC people instead. The answer from Panasonic is as expected. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 28/04/17 13:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-04-28 13:54, Paul Groves wrote:
Hi All,
So after much investigating and back and forth with Panasonic I have discovered that this drive's firmware is locked to only play back protected DVDs in Windows.
Panasonic have informed me that they have a contact with Microsoft to only allow playback on their OS. The funny thing is Windows cannot play DVDs without 3rd party software (VLC) so it all smells like BS to me. As I recall, I told you to ask the VLC people instead. The answer from Panasonic is as expected.
I did ask VLC but didn't get much help. Seems to have confused a few people that it works in VLC in windows but not Linux. They suggested it was firmware related. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/28/2017 07:28 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-04-28 13:54, Paul Groves wrote:
Hi All,
So after much investigating and back and forth with Panasonic I have discovered that this drive's firmware is locked to only play back protected DVDs in Windows.
Panasonic have informed me that they have a contact with Microsoft to only allow playback on their OS. The funny thing is Windows cannot play DVDs without 3rd party software (VLC) so it all smells like BS to me.
As I recall, I told you to ask the VLC people instead. The answer from Panasonic is as expected.
I have read this thread and I am thoroughly confused. My understanding is that the DVD player is installed in the computer which is running Linux but the problem described sounds like a standalone player. I have never found any DVD that won't play in my systems and I have had a rather diverse mixture of manufacturers, all based on the "cheap" criteria. It is my understanding that dvdcss unencrypts DVDs and allows them to play and that process is region independent. If Panasonic makes a DVD player that is region-specific and I had bought said drive, I would bitch about it mightily then trash can it and go buy something like this LG DVD burner I have now that cost me all of about US$18 new. As a side note, since DVD media does deteriorate over time (what media doesn't?) I have several terabytes of backed up DVD movies. I find that with my new 4K TV I can simply copy a movie to a USB stick, put it in the TV and no DVD issues, no possible damage to DVD media, just pure digital enjoyment. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 08:11:06 -0500 Stevens <fred-n-sandy@myrhinomail.com> wrote:
I have read this thread and I am thoroughly confused. My understanding is that the DVD player is installed in the computer which is running Linux but the problem described sounds like a standalone player. I have never found any DVD that won't play in my systems and I have had a rather diverse mixture of manufacturers, all based on the "cheap" criteria. It is my understanding that dvdcss unencrypts DVDs and allows them to play and that process is region independent. If Panasonic makes a DVD player that is region-specific and I had bought said drive, I would bitch about it mightily then trash can it and go buy something like this LG DVD burner I have now that cost me all of about US$18 new.
Forgive me if i misunderstood, but i think we are mixing two separate issues in this thread which leads to the confusion. Region Coding has nothing to do with CSS encryption. 1) There are non-encrypted movie dvds and there are encrypted ones (almost every commercial movie from a studio). Try inserting a dvd and dd it to the disk (or mount it and copy the files) and you should get "read errors". Using libdvdcss you can unscramble the dvd and read it properly. (I think that after "unlocking" it using libdvdcss, then you can use any tool you like to copy the files until the media is ejected because a simple "mpv dvd://" immediately followed by q to quit the player allows me to copy everything with cp without getting errors). If you then burn these files to a new dvd, then this will not be "encrypted" and you will not need libdvdcss to read it. 2) Region Coding is used to prevent you bying media from another region. For example, if you browse amazon.com, there are movie titles that mention "uk import, region2 pal format" and respectively amazon.co.uk and amazon.it has titles that say "us import, region 1". When you insert a media from another region to your drive, you should not be able to play it unless you change it's region. Most PC units give you a certain amount of changes you can do, unless you flash a "rpc1" firmware which either autochanges the region when a media from another region is inserted or has region checking altogether disabled. This is a different issue than libdvdcss. If you only buy DVDs from your country, then it is logical that you didn't find any media that doesn't play. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 28/04/17 16:34, Khelben Blackstaff wrote:
On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 08:11:06 -0500 Stevens <fred-n-sandy@myrhinomail.com> wrote:
I have read this thread and I am thoroughly confused. My understanding is that the DVD player is installed in the computer which is running Linux but the problem described sounds like a standalone player. I have never found any DVD that won't play in my systems and I have had a rather diverse mixture of manufacturers, all based on the "cheap" criteria. It is my understanding that dvdcss unencrypts DVDs and allows them to play and that process is region independent. If Panasonic makes a DVD player that is region-specific and I had bought said drive, I would bitch about it mightily then trash can it and go buy something like this LG DVD burner I have now that cost me all of about US$18 new. Forgive me if i misunderstood, but i think we are mixing two separate issues in this thread which leads to the confusion. Region Coding has nothing to do with CSS encryption.
1) There are non-encrypted movie dvds and there are encrypted ones (almost every commercial movie from a studio). Try inserting a dvd and dd it to the disk (or mount it and copy the files) and you should get "read errors".
Using libdvdcss you can unscramble the dvd and read it properly. (I think that after "unlocking" it using libdvdcss, then you can use any tool you like to copy the files until the media is ejected because a simple "mpv dvd://" immediately followed by q to quit the player allows me to copy everything with cp without getting errors).
If you then burn these files to a new dvd, then this will not be "encrypted" and you will not need libdvdcss to read it.
2) Region Coding is used to prevent you bying media from another region. For example, if you browse amazon.com, there are movie titles that mention "uk import, region2 pal format" and respectively amazon.co.uk and amazon.it has titles that say "us import, region 1".
When you insert a media from another region to your drive, you should not be able to play it unless you change it's region. Most PC units give you a certain amount of changes you can do, unless you flash a "rpc1" firmware which either autochanges the region when a media from another region is inserted or has region checking altogether disabled.
This is a different issue than libdvdcss. If you only buy DVDs from your country, then it is logical that you didn't find any media that doesn't play.
Correct (and not) my issue was originally with region coding but using suggestions from here (and other forums / mailing lists) it has turned out to be a firmware issue with my dvd drive. the only way I can play encrypted DVDs in linux is to set the region. (But I have lots of other region discs so not a solution. Basically I am looking for either: a replacement slot load laptop dvd drive. (Not for a laptop, for a htpc case that uses laptop drives. or someone who knows more about linux dvd drivers and dvd drive firmware whou could help me bypass this firmware issue. I have tried an external drive (which works fine regardless of region) but the problem is I cannot set it on top of the htpc because of the air ventilation. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 17:23:13 +0100 Paul Groves <paul.groves.787@gmail.com> wrote:
I have tried an external drive (which works fine regardless of region) but the problem is I cannot set it on top of the htpc because of the air ventilation.
Clearly you could put it on top if you used something as a stand-off to keep the ventilation clear, if that is the only problem. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-04-28 17:34, Khelben Blackstaff wrote:
Forgive me if i misunderstood, but i think we are mixing two separate issues in this thread which leads to the confusion. Region Coding has nothing to do with CSS encryption.
1) There are non-encrypted movie dvds and there are encrypted ones (almost every commercial movie from a studio). Try inserting a dvd and dd it to the disk (or mount it and copy the files) and you should get "read errors".
No. You can download dvds as .iso files from torrents and such. If you try to play them, you see the decss thing working on them. And you can run on them tools to rip them open into the separate streams, which then can be played. Yes, the error "read error" appears on the direct copy files, but it is for another reason. It is also possible that some commercial DVDs use another type of copy protection on top of it.
2) Region Coding is used to prevent you bying media from another region. For example, if you browse amazon.com, there are movie titles that mention "uk import, region2 pal format" and respectively amazon.co.uk and amazon.it has titles that say "us import, region 1".
Yes. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On 04/28/2017 12:54 PM, Paul Groves wrote:
On 18/04/17 10:19, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2017-04-18 11:16, jdd wrote:
Le 18/04/2017 à 11:15, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On 2017-04-18 10:44, stakanov wrote:
sudo wodim -prcap dev=/dev/sr0 cdrecord -prcap dev=/dev/sr0 | less
cdrecord -scanbus What about the region?
Hi All,
So after much investigating and back and forth with Panasonic I have discovered that this drive's firmware is locked to only play back protected DVDs in Windows.
Panasonic have informed me that they have a contact with Microsoft to only allow playback on their OS. The funny thing is Windows cannot play DVDs without 3rd party software (VLC) so it all smells like BS to me.
Panasonic sent me 2 drives (one blu-ray and the other DVD) both of them work fine in Windows and Linux but encrypted playback does not work in Linux.
Panasonic refused to assist me in unlocking / flashing the firmware Panasonic also refused to refund me for the drive even though I am sure you will all strongly agree it is not fit for purpose and does not do as advertised (play DVDs).
They also tried to pull the "we only support windows" card but it does not say that on the box. Yes it does say it supports windows but it doesn't say it does not support Linux anywhere at all, in fact they even have a driver for it on their website. Damn hypocrites.
So in short the only way I would be able to watch DVDs is to illegally copy or download them. Way to prevent piracy Panasonic! You are definitely not encouraging pirate DVDs at all (seeing as you do not allow playing of my legally purchased ones). :/
So while I am battling to try to get my money back for this hunk-of-junk does anyone know of any drives that will work with encrypted DVDs?
There are several on eBay but I would like to confirm one that will work before I buy would be great. The LG GS40N seems a good choice, does anyone have one of this model?
Requirements: It must be slim (laptop size) It must be slot load (my case has no removable front panel, just a slot) It must at least support DVDs or CDs (not too worried about blu-ray as I only own a few of them)
Alternatively, does anyone know how to flash a new firmware to my drive? Or even unlock the existing firmware? (I know absolutely nothing about this myself).
Paul
Dunno about your issues with your Panasonic drive/s did you take that up with the VLC guys as Carlos suggested ? Ever since dvds came out I and with lvdcss I have never had a dvd drive that wouldn't play them via a pc, using whatever dvd drive I had at the time. At present I have an Asus internal drive standard size in a tower pc and a pretty old LG external dvd drive attached to my pc. Both of those play any dvd or cd I have and write both. Blu Ray playback AFAIK simply doesn't work in Linux and when my son got a blu ray drive for his Windows pc a few years ago the Windows player that came with it wasn't up to much either. I only have a few blu rays I simply play them via a stand alone blu ray player attached to my tv routing the sound to my hi fi system. Given your requirements and my experience with one (external as I said) LG drive I assume "any" LG device should play dvds via your laptop. So the drive you mention "should" work with Linux. Ask LG or whoever you might buy it from first ? Do you rule out an external drive and connecting that to your laptop ? I don't personally like slot loading and in my experience going back a long time usb external dvd drives work, even going back to work and W95 15 years ago. M -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 14/04/2017 23:17, Paul Groves wrote:
Hi,
I have successfully been able to use regionset to set my DVD / blu-ray drive to region 2 so that libdvdcss2 can de-crypt my DVDs. (Blu-ray discs work regardless of this).
Originally the drive was set to 0 and would not play any of my region 1 or 2 dvds (played un-encrypted discs fine. Now the code is set, it plays region 2 (and un-encrypted discs) but not region 1 and regionset says I can only change it 3 times (2 left now).
So my question is, how can I set the drive to be region free so I can play my DVDs from region 1 and other regions?
I really do not want to have to rip all my discs or make duplicates with the protection removed because this would take a lot of time and is probably technically not legal.
It must be possible seeing as when I used to have windows 7 on this PC (with the exact same drive) and used VLC with libdvdcss2 installed it played any disc even if it is not in the region the drive is set to, so it seems like windows or VLC or libdvdcss2 was just by-passing the region check.
I have connected an IDE drive from an old DVD player which is region free and regionset could not detect any region (even 0) set on the drive. Maybe a clue?
Has anyone managed to achieve this before?
Thanks
Paul
Interesting reading is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_region_code It seems that you can edit the region code in a dvd image. Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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