Cool cool, makes sense. I guess I misread the intent of the thread then; oh the joys of trying to infer meaning, emotion, motive, etc. from static text :P I normally don't interject in threads like this, except when someone is being too harsh on others, then I try to just remind folks that we're all people. In this case, I did step in to give kudos because I'm sure that whole "software developer of an open-source project" is pretty thankless at times, so I wanted to let them know that I do appreciate their work, because it is really cool :) I think that one of the things that OSS has going against it, in a way, is its open-ness. I'm sure that there are bugs discovered by M$ (and others) that are largely concealed from the world at large, that would be really scary if we knew the implications of what exactly they allowed. But by comparison, any bug in OSS is totally open for the whole world to view. So there isn't really a "hide the magnitude" option. So I think that's probably (one reason anyhow) why people get so defensive sometimes. Basically, "yep, it's a bad problem, but it's fixed now, and we'll keep improving and moving forward." But, of course, the naysayers like to make a huge deal about the problem to try to scare people away from OSS, because the for-profit software is _obviously_ better. But yeah, I'm not trying to say that OSS is flawless, or without its problems (some of which have been pretty scary.) I just get kinda irritated when certain groups/people try to focus on the bits of bad, rather than the really cool stuff that comes out of OSS, especially because there are folks in the world who hear those FUD reports and let them taint their understanding of OSS. (I guess that could be said about almost anything...)

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Xen <list@xenhideout.nl> 11/30/15 11:00 AM >>> I want to clarify just one thing. My post is not about how crappy Linux is.

It is about the mindset of the users that deny when or whether there could be anything wrong with it. So it is not about the level of wrongness (you can say the same thing about Windows) but about the level of denial about the level of wrongness. There is general not a single Windows user, unless we would speak about people that I don't really associate with, that would deny the crap of Windows because they don't have their own "having and needing" invested in it. In general Windows users are full of the crap of Windows and of Microsoft. I've never been a wannabe Windows fan and the first website I ever made was making fun of Microsoft. I'm not sure I have any of that left, but we had all of these mock pictures and videos showing e.g. "NT - Neanderthal Technology" or "MS Flight Simulator" with a plane with flapping wings. That was in the early days and there was a lot of hilarious stuff going on about Microsoft. Not sure if I have any backup of that left.... Nobody in the Linux crowd ever makes fun of Linux though. You don't really see (?) mock pictures of the Tux penguin doing weird stuff or whatever. It is all seriousness and dedication to the death. That's the whole problem: there is no humor in here unless it is directed at so called trolls, then it becomes sarcasm and cynicism. You people [] take yourselves way too seriously. I could respond to other points that are not wholly accurate but I'll leave it at this. Except that "better" is of course a subjective judgement based on personal interests goals or values. And these values may not be entirely practical at all times. Regards, X. Christopher Myers <cmyers@mail.millikin.edu> schreef:

In lieu of the recent thread on "how crappy Linux is, and how many problems there are," I would like to just give my kudos to the oS and linux developers. Because I really to believe that we tend to be quiet except when we run into problems. (And besides, even if we did give kudos all the time, it wouldn't turn into a 50-post-long thread as different folks suggest different potential fixes...)

So from my experience, of using *nix daily at work and home...

I rather enjoy running oS 13.1 on my work computer (which I use every single day, overall without problems,) with several of my coworkers saying "I wish that I could do that too, if only program XYZ worked on Linux."

I loved being able to pick up an old broken HP TC4400 "tablet" computer that could barely run the Windows XP that it was designed for, and install oS Tumbleweed, and have the thing fly as if it was a brand new computer :)

It's awesome having a teeny tiny arm-based single-board computer "server" at home, with a measly 5 watt power requirement, running Debian, doing the exact same thing as my old 120-watt Intel-based server used to.

I loved being able to upgrade from oS 11.4 to 12.1 to 13.1, on the same machine, without so much as a hiccup, and without performance degradation. Try doing that with a Windows computer...

It's wonderful running SLES on our boxes at work, and the performance and capabilities of those boxes far exceed what we can do on our Windows machines. From patching, upgrades, remote management, added performance/security for not running a GUI, being able to do stuff like "su," the fact that a base OS install takes less than 4GB versus Windows' 40GB+, ... - things just work better.

So yes. While I know things aren't always perfect smooth sailing, I wouldn't go back to Windows. And any time I have to use a Windows computer, I find myself so incredibly hampered by the missing features that I take for granted on Linux, it takes me a lot longer to do my job, and I look forward to sitting back down at my oS box :D

Cheers :)

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