[opensuse] Update FireFox 49.5 -> 52.2, file dialogs are horrible, how to get FF49 dialogs back?
All, I updated to firefoxe 52.5esr from 49.5esr. One thing that is just totally repugnant is the file->open dialog. It is per-se unusable. How do I get the file->open dialog from 49.5 back? -- or at least get this damn thing to sort the folders first like every other sane file->open dialog does. I have folders with 20 or so directories and 1400+ files in them and trying to navigate where you have to scroll through 1200 files just to get to the 'tst' directory is unacceptable. Is there some setting that controls this? Right now this thing is unnavigable with scores of .zip files mixed with directories mixed with files in an unholy mess. Why when I first scroll down with the mouse are many of the icons missing? Help.... (screenshot of the dialog I see at, http://paste.opensuse.org/5398449) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On 06/14/2017 08:21 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
All, <snip> (screenshot of the dialog I see at, http://paste.opensuse.org/5398449)
crap, sorry for the attachment, I went to paste.opensuse.org and put it there, but forgot to delete it from the message. (go easy on the flames, early Alzheimer's must be kicking in...) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin composed on 2017-06-14 21:21 (UTC-0400): .
I updated to firefoxe 52.5esr from 49.5esr. One thing that is just totally repugnant is the file->open dialog. It is per-se unusable. . How do I get the file->open dialog from 49.5 back? -- or at least get this damn thing to sort the folders first like every other sane file->open dialog does. I have folders with 20 or so directories and 1400+ files in them and trying to navigate where you have to scroll through 1200 files just to get to the 'tst' directory is unacceptable.
Is there some setting that controls this? Right now this thing is unnavigable with scores of .zip files mixed with directories mixed with files in an unholy mess. Why when I first scroll down with the mouse are many of the icons missing? . Help.... . (screenshot of the dialog I see at, http://paste.opensuse.org/5398449) . I think I know why, but not if there is anything you can do about it. Check about:buildconfig. If you don't see cairo-gtk2 or if you do see the string gtk3, that's almost certainly the why for the change. Check in about:config if ui. allow_platform_file_picker is set and what to. http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config_entries might be obsolete. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
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On 06/14/2017 08:48 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
David C. Rankin composed on 2017-06-14 21:21 (UTC-0400): .
I updated to firefoxe 52.5esr from 49.5esr. One thing that is just totally repugnant is the file->open dialog. It is per-se unusable. . How do I get the file->open dialog from 49.5 back? -- or at least get this damn thing to sort the folders first like every other sane file->open dialog does. I have folders with 20 or so directories and 1400+ files in them and trying to navigate where you have to scroll through 1200 files just to get to the 'tst' directory is unacceptable.
Is there some setting that controls this? Right now this thing is unnavigable with scores of .zip files mixed with directories mixed with files in an unholy mess. Why when I first scroll down with the mouse are many of the icons missing? . Help.... . (screenshot of the dialog I see at, http://paste.opensuse.org/5398449) . I think I know why, but not if there is anything you can do about it. Check about:buildconfig. If you don't see cairo-gtk2 or if you do see the string gtk3, that's almost certainly the why for the change. Check in about:config if ui. allow_platform_file_picker is set and what to. http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config_entries might be obsolete.
What are the mozilla folks thinking? MOZ_AUTOMATION=1 --enable-update-channel=esr PKG_CONFIG=/builds/slave/m-esr52-l64-000000000000000000/build/src/gtk3/usr/local/bin/pkg-config MOZ_PGO=1 CC=/builds/slave/m-esr52-l64-000000000000000000/build/src/gcc/bin/gcc CXX=/builds/slave/m-esr52-l64-000000000000000000/build/src/gcc/bin/g++ --enable-rust RUSTC=/builds/slave/m-esr52-l64-000000000000000000/build/src/rustc/bin/rustc CARGO=/builds/slave/m-esr52-l64-000000000000000000/build/src/cargo/bin/cargo --enable-js-shell --enable-default-toolkit=cairo-gtk3 --with-mozilla-api-keyfile=/builds/mozilla-desktop-geoloc-api.key --with-google-api-keyfile=/builds/gapi.data MAKE=/usr/bin/gmake --enable-crashreporter --enable-elf-hack --enable-official-branding --enable-release --enable-stdcxx-compat --enable-verify-mar There is nothing but the 1/2 baked gtk3 toolkit crud included. I don't care what version it is, I just want usable dialogs. It is incredibly frustrating to have to mouse down 50 times just to get the next directory you need to navigate to, to then scroll down another 30 screens to get to the next. I sure hope there is a ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini setting that will fix this, but I haven't been able to find it yet. I wonder if buildservice could compile a version witih gtk+2 dialogs enabled. This is KDE-4.04 bad... (and that was really, really bad...) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin composed on 2017-06-14 20:57 (UTC-0500): .
What are the mozilla folks thinking? . IMO, 'make FF indistinuishable from Chrome or Edge', void of any more user choices than it can get away with not having, and 'follow the money'. . MOZ_AUTOMATION=1 --enable-update-channel=esr PKG_CONFIG=/builds/slave/m-esr52-l64-000000000000000000/build/src/gtk3/usr/local/bin/pkg-config MOZ_PGO=1 CC=/builds/slave/m-esr52-l64-000000000000000000/build/src/gcc/bin/gcc CXX=/builds/slave/m-esr52-l64-000000000000000000/build/src/gcc/bin/g++ --enable-rust RUSTC=/builds/slave/m-esr52-l64-000000000000000000/build/src/rustc/bin/rustc CARGO=/builds/slave/m-esr52-l64-000000000000000000/build/src/cargo/bin/cargo --enable-js-shell --enable-default-toolkit=cairo-gtk3 --with-mozilla-api-keyfile=/builds/mozilla-desktop-geoloc-api.key --with-google-api-keyfile=/builds/gapi.data MAKE=/usr/bin/gmake --enable-crashreporter --enable-elf-hack --enable-official-branding --enable-release --enable-stdcxx-compat --enable-verify-mar . That's Mozilla.org's 52.2 build, right? . There is nothing but the 1/2 baked gtk3 toolkit crud included. I don't care what version it is, I just want usable dialogs. It is incredibly frustrating to have to mouse down 50 times just to get the next directory you need to navigate to, to then scroll down another 30 screens to get to the next. . I sure hope there is a ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini setting that will fix this, but I haven't been able to find it yet. . I wonder if buildservice could compile a version witih gtk+2 dialogs enabled. This is KDE-4.04 bad... (and that was really, really bad...) . Are you sure the BS build already available isn't using GTK2 instead?
I typically just type file:///home/login/whatever/ in the urlbar, then select from a normal directory listing. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/14/2017 09:17 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
That's Mozilla.org's 52.2 build, right?
52.2esr Apparently it is a known issue at mozilla. Within 10 minutes of filing my bug, they have assigned it: Component: Untriaged → Widget: Gtk Product: Firefox → Core https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1373108 -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/14/2017 08:57 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
What are the mozilla folks thinking?
Dunno... but we will see if they can fix it. The following bug was filed if you are interested or want to contribute to it: Firefox 52.2esr cannot sort folders first in file->open dialog https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1373108 -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 14 Jun 2017 20:21:57 -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
All,
I updated to firefoxe 52.5esr from 49.5esr. One thing that is just totally repugnant is the file->open dialog. It is per-se unusable.
How do I get the file->open dialog from 49.5 back? -- or at least get this damn thing to sort the folders first like every other sane file->open dialog does. I have folders with 20 or so directories and 1400+ files in them and trying to navigate where you have to scroll through 1200 files just to get to the 'tst' directory is unacceptable.
Is there some setting that controls this? Right now this thing is unnavigable with scores of .zip files mixed with directories mixed with files in an unholy mess. Why when I first scroll down with the mouse are many of the icons missing?
Help....
(screenshot of the dialog I see at, http://paste.opensuse.org/5398449)
-- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
I use palemoon and mostly I am quite satisfied with it. Occasionally I use seamonkey (recent version) and I still have firefox 24esr. For saving web pages I use opera 12, it can save html file with images and web archive too. Vivaldi is not bad but still misses puld-down bookarks and it has not separate navigation menu bar. Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
"David C. Rankin" <drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com> writes:
Is there some setting that controls this? Right now this thing is unnavigable with scores of .zip files mixed with directories mixed with files in an unholy mess. Why when I first scroll down with the mouse are many of the icons missing?
IIRC, it came from a change of GTK version. Open "dconf-editor" and go to: GTK-> "Settings"-> "File Chooser" and change "sort-directories-first" to "true". Charles -- "Besides, I think [Slackware] sounds better than 'Microsoft,' don't you?" (By Patrick Volkerding)
On 06/15/2017 07:47 AM, Charles Philip Chan wrote:
"David C. Rankin" <drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com> writes:
Is there some setting that controls this? Right now this thing is unnavigable with scores of .zip files mixed with directories mixed with files in an unholy mess. Why when I first scroll down with the mouse are many of the icons missing?
IIRC, it came from a change of GTK version. Open "dconf-editor" and go to:
GTK-> "Settings"-> "File Chooser"
and change "sort-directories-first" to "true".
Charles
Thanks Charles, but currently: $ dconf-editor bash: dconf-editor: command not found I'll see if I can find it and try your suggestion, but I should not have to load any additional packages just to have FF provide a working file->open dialog. Why they can't just leave gtk+2 enabled is ridiculous. This type of issue will crop up over and over again, and apparently nobody at mozilla is testing these things before foisting a gtk+3 only build on us. (not to mention there are virtually zero themes available for it compared to gtk+2...) I've tried all the themes on gnome-look and there are not really any decent dark themes (that don't make one-line inputs 2X bigger than they should be. At least one of the folks on the Arch list has put together a fairly good adwaita-dark. Not perfect, but the best of the bunch so far... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
* David C. Rankin <drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com> [06-15-17 22:56]:
On 06/15/2017 07:47 AM, Charles Philip Chan wrote:
"David C. Rankin" <drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com> writes:
Is there some setting that controls this? Right now this thing is unnavigable with scores of .zip files mixed with directories mixed with files in an unholy mess. Why when I first scroll down with the mouse are many of the icons missing?
IIRC, it came from a change of GTK version. Open "dconf-editor" and go to:
GTK-> "Settings"-> "File Chooser"
and change "sort-directories-first" to "true".
Charles
Thanks Charles, but currently:
$ dconf-editor bash: dconf-editor: command not found
I'll see if I can find it and try your suggestion, but I should not have to load any additional packages just to have FF provide a working file->open dialog.
Why they can't just leave gtk+2 enabled is ridiculous. This type of issue will crop up over and over again, and apparently nobody at mozilla is testing these things before foisting a gtk+3 only build on us. (not to mention there are virtually zero themes available for it compared to gtk+2...) I've tried all the themes on gnome-look and there are not really any decent dark themes (that don't make one-line inputs 2X bigger than they should be. At least one of the folks on the Arch list has put together a fairly good adwaita-dark. Not perfect, but the best of the bunch so far...
zypper -v in dconf-editor now, that was not so hard. and one liner w/o any rants :) -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/15/2017 10:13 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
zypper -v in dconf-editor
now, that was not so hard. and one liner w/o any rants :)
$ zi dconf-editor ... it was bloody horrible :) even with dconf-editor, it does not respect the 'location-mode' -> 'filename-entry' setting. Every time I attempt to open a file, it switched the setting in dconf back to 'path-bar'. The rant point being, now to use FF, you can't just install FF, you have to install FF + dconf-editor just to get directories sorted first in the file-open dialog. With Gtk+2, I had complete control over the file-open dialog with ~/.config/gtk+2.0/gtkfilechooser.ini. A simple text file was all that was needed. And, ... the gtk+2 filechooser just looks better: http://paste.opensuse.org/6544896 -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* David C. Rankin <drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com> [06-16-17 00:38]:
On 06/15/2017 10:13 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
zypper -v in dconf-editor
now, that was not so hard. and one liner w/o any rants :)
$ zi dconf-editor
... it was bloody horrible :)
even with dconf-editor, it does not respect the 'location-mode' -> 'filename-entry' setting. Every time I attempt to open a file, it switched the setting in dconf back to 'path-bar'.
The rant point being, now to use FF, you can't just install FF, you have to install FF + dconf-editor just to get directories sorted first in the file-open dialog. With Gtk+2, I had complete control over the file-open dialog with ~/.config/gtk+2.0/gtkfilechooser.ini. A simple text file was all that was needed.
No, the *point* is there is no need for nor does it accomplish anything except make the *ranter* appear childish, unappreciative, and disrespectful of those donating their time to provide you with *free* software which you do not have to use. if you prefer it to work or proceed in a different direction, donate *your* time to make it happen. then we can read twenty words about your difficulties and propose solutions rather than two hundred that just piss people off and perhaps negatively affect the efforts of those trying to help. hope your day gets better. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/16/2017 06:25 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
hope your day gets better.
It will once we get the children out the the UI design business. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/18/2017 01:38 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 06/16/2017 06:25 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
hope your day gets better.
It will once we get the children out the the UI design business.
And I apologize, I don't mean to give a flippant response, but the *point is* I use Linux personally and for my office. It's bad enough when something for me personally changes and doesn't work like it used to and I have to jack with figuring out why, but it is another thing altogether to have to spend the time to either retrain, fix or provide work-arounds for all those using the application who are not tech-savy. Yes, this should be addressed to the gnome list, and it appears I'm not alone in the complaints about the gtk+ engine change and unexplained failure to provide a backwards compatibility, kde was hard hit as well with all the work on the Oxygen theme essentially becoming worthless: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340288#c1 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735211#c8 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356845 An auto-update should never break backwards compatibility. We are smart enough in 2017 to provide clean backwards compatibility, especially when there is no legitimate technical reason not to. In the days of 8M drives, there was an argument to be made. In the days of Terabyte storage, it rings hollow. I often wonder, with as capable as the Linux desktop is today, why it doesn't garner more of the market share. This is one of the main arguments you hear against the adoption by business. As a community, we do very little to prove that argument wrong. Gnome2/3, KDE3/4/FW5, etc., etc.. Yes innovation is good and yes change will happen, but it can be done so that what worked yesterday, continues to work today as well. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 18.06.2017 um 09:16 schrieb David C. Rankin:
An auto-update should never break backwards compatibility.
Are you still talking about Firefox? In case you do I need to emphasize again that Firefox updates built from and for openSUSE still use Gtk2 (unless it's TW). One reason is exactly the one you complain about. So to be constructive only reports to Gtk3 and Mozilla people would make sense at all. It's not required to keep discussing this in the general opensuse@ list as the point you bring up was already taken care of in the community as much as it was possible. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Wolfgang Rosenauer composed on 2017-06-18 09:47 (UTC+0200): .
Are you still talking about Firefox? In case you do I need to emphasize again that Firefox updates built from and for openSUSE still use Gtk2 (unless it's TW). . Bless you for that!
One reason is exactly the one you complain about. So to be constructive only reports to Gtk3 and Mozilla people would make sense at all. It's not required to keep discussing this in the general opensuse@ list as the point you bring up was already taken care of in the community as much as it was possible. . GTK is a liability that has been mutating more forceful and damaging. Non-Gnome users have long been needing Mozilla products to evolve such that no GTK is required, a simple way around inexplicably unintuitive hard-to-use disappearing and tiny UI elements. It's far worse than merely unfortunate that there is no
Unfortunately, there are people that cannot make do with a single installed web browser version, such as those trying to get a jump on upcoming UI and other accessibility and usability regressions by running upstream pre-release application versions and filing appropriate bugs, before potential damage becomes real. . mainstream QT or other toolkit substitute for FF or SM. It's hard to fix a problem when the tool for fixing the problem depends on the problem having been solved: chicken<?>egg -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 18/06/17 17:16, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 06/18/2017 01:38 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 06/16/2017 06:25 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
hope your day gets better. It will once we get the children out the the UI design business.
And I apologize, I don't mean to give a flippant response, but the *point is* I use Linux personally and for my office. It's bad enough when something for me personally changes and doesn't work like it used to and I have to jack with figuring out why, but it is another thing altogether to have to spend the time to either retrain, fix or provide work-arounds for all those using the application who are not tech-savy.
Yes, this should be addressed to the gnome list, and it appears I'm not alone in the complaints about the gtk+ engine change and unexplained failure to provide a backwards compatibility, kde was hard hit as well with all the work on the Oxygen theme essentially becoming worthless:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340288#c1 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735211#c8 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356845
An auto-update should never break backwards compatibility.
We are smart enough in 2017 to provide clean backwards compatibility, especially when there is no legitimate technical reason not to. In the days of 8M drives, there was an argument to be made. In the days of Terabyte storage, it rings hollow.
I often wonder, with as capable as the Linux desktop is today, why it doesn't garner more of the market share. This is one of the main arguments you hear against the adoption by business. As a community, we do very little to prove that argument wrong. Gnome2/3, KDE3/4/FW5, etc., etc..
Yes innovation is good and yes change will happen, but it can be done so that what worked yesterday, continues to work today as well.
I am just a tad confused here, David. I read the bug reports you mention above and they go way back to 2014 and yet I am right at this moment using the Oxygen theme on my Leap 42.2 KDE desktop. So is Leap still using gtk2? BC -- Government has become a committee for managing the affairs of the rich. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin composed on 2017-06-18 18:14 (UTC+1000): .
I am just a tad confused here, David. I read the bug reports you mention above and they go way back to 2014 and yet I am right at this moment using the Oxygen theme on my Leap 42.2 KDE desktop. So is Leap still using gtk2?. As Wolfgang answered, yes, for now. Upstream intends for that to be impossible ASAP: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1278282 -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
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On 18/06/17 19:16, Felix Miata wrote:
Basil Chupin composed on 2017-06-18 18:14 (UTC+1000): .
I am just a tad confused here, David. I read the bug reports you mention above and they go way back to 2014 and yet I am right at this moment using the Oxygen theme on my Leap 42.2 KDE desktop. So is Leap still using gtk2?. As Wolfgang answered, yes, for now. Upstream intends for that to be impossible ASAP: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1278282
Thank you. But the way I read that report is that it only concerns Firefox and I don't think that David is talking only about FF -- the Oxygen Theme is not part of FF but is in the (KDE) settings Look and Feel>Desktop Theme>Workspace Theme. BC -- Government has become a committee for managing the affairs of the rich. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> [06-18-17 05:58]:
On 18/06/17 19:16, Felix Miata wrote:
Basil Chupin composed on 2017-06-18 18:14 (UTC+1000): .
I am just a tad confused here, David. I read the bug reports you mention above and they go way back to 2014 and yet I am right at this moment using the Oxygen theme on my Leap 42.2 KDE desktop. So is Leap still using gtk2?. As Wolfgang answered, yes, for now. Upstream intends for that to be impossible ASAP: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1278282
Thank you. But the way I read that report is that it only concerns Firefox and I don't think that David is talking only about FF -- the Oxygen Theme is not part of FF but is in the (KDE) settings Look and Feel>Desktop Theme>Workspace Theme.
yes David is only talking about FF, but not the FF from openSUSE and not a solution here if he continues to use FF directly from Mozilla. The problem is GTK3 which appears worse that any of the migrations I experienced in the kde/plasma lifelines. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin composed on 2017-06-18 02:16 (UTC-0500): .
David C. Rankin wrote: .
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
hope your day gets better. . It will once we get the children out the the UI design business. . And I apologize, I don't mean to give a flippant response,. Don't apologize. There's a dearth of wisdom apparent in modern design, whether it be UI, software, or web. ... An auto-update should never break backwards compatibility.. +++ ... Yes innovation is good and yes change will happen, but it can be done so that what worked yesterday, continues to work today as well. . The GTK people seem to be determined to do the best they can to prevent that from happening. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
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"David C. Rankin" <drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com> writes:
$ dconf-editor bash: dconf-editor: command not found
You need to install the package "dconf-editor".
Why they can't just leave gtk+2 enabled is ridiculous. This type of issue will crop up over and over again, and apparently nobody at mozilla is testing these things before foisting a gtk+3 only build on us.
What is more ridiculous is the default sort order in GTK3.
(not to mention there are virtually zero themes available for it compared to gtk+2...) I've tried all the themes on gnome-look and there are not really any decent dark themes (that don't make one-line inputs 2X bigger than they should be. At least one of the folks on the Arch list has put together a fairly good adwaita-dark. Not perfect, but the best of the bunch so far...
I personally like Adapta[1] and Numix. Adapta has a really nice dark theme. I also set QT5 to use gtk2 theme via qt5ct and set KDE to use gtk2 theme. Charles Footnotes: [1] http://lmelinux.net/2016/03/31/adapta-another-beautiful-gtk-theme/ -- "sic transit discus mundi" (From the System Administrator's Guide, by Lars Wirzenius)
On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 04:55, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 06/15/2017 07:47 AM, Charles Philip Chan wrote:
"David C. Rankin" writes:
Is there some setting that controls this? Right now this thing is unnavigable with scores of .zip files mixed with directories mixed with files in an unholy mess. Why when I first scroll down with the mouse are many of the icons missing?
IIRC, it came from a change of GTK version. Open "dconf-editor" and go to:
GTK-> "Settings"-> "File Chooser"
and change "sort-directories-first" to "true".
Charles
Thanks Charles, but currently:
$ dconf-editor bash: dconf-editor: command not found
[snip] "man 1 dconf" mentions alternatives, e.g. "gsettings" from the glib2-tools package does the same from the command line. [code] $ gsettings set org.gtk.Settings.FileChooser sort-directories-first true [/code] - Yamaban. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday, 15 June 2017 10:51:57 ACST David C. Rankin wrote:
All,
I updated to firefoxe 52.5esr from 49.5esr. One thing that is just totally repugnant is the file->open dialog. It is per-se unusable.
How do I get the file->open dialog from 49.5 back? -- or at least get this damn thing to sort the folders first like every other sane file->open dialog does. I have folders with 20 or so directories and 1400+ files in them and trying to navigate where you have to scroll through 1200 files just to get to the 'tst' directory is unacceptable.
Is there some setting that controls this? Right now this thing is unnavigable with scores of .zip files mixed with directories mixed with files in an unholy mess. Why when I first scroll down with the mouse are many of the icons missing?
Help....
(screenshot of the dialog I see at, http://paste.opensuse.org/5398449)
Hmmm...running 52.1 ESR here on KDE/Plasma 5 and I get the standard Plasma5/ KDE file dialog. -- ============================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au ============================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Am 17.06.2017 um 07:17 schrieb Rodney Baker:
Hmmm...running 52.1 ESR here on KDE/Plasma 5 and I get the standard Plasma5/ KDE file dialog.
That is because you are using the openSUSE version of Firefox. The above report is from someone who either runs upstream Firefox or openSUSE w/o KDE on Tumbleweed, because that is the only version where Gtk3 is currently being used. The $SUBJECT is pretty much misleading because the original author basically complains about plain Gtk3 filechooser so it should be addressed to the Gnome people. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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