yast2 screws up printer setup

bbcat＠linuxstart.com

22 Nov 2000 22 Nov '00

17:50

Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:50:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200011221750.eAMHoeH12172@tbird.iworld.com> From: Michel Catudal Subject: yast2 screws up printer setup Samy Elashmawy wrote:

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Yast 2 set up the printer correctly

This is not a correct statement. yast2 messes up big time when setting up the printer. When you print a page it prints most of the page on one page and prints about 0.5inch or so on a different page. There is no option to correct the size of the paper during setup so this makes yast2 completely useless to setup the printer. The only way that I found to get the printer setup correctly is to use the /var/lib/apsfilter/SETUP on the command line where you do have the option to set the page correctly to letter instead of that weird format which doesn't fit on a printer sheet and ends up being printed on two pages. Vous en avez plein l'casse du plantage de Ti-Mou? alors il est temps d'essayer Linux http://www.netonecom.net/~bbcat ---------------------- Do you do Linux? :) Get your FREE @linuxstart.com email address at: http://www.linuxstart.com

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samelash＠ix.netcom.com

22 Nov 22 Nov

10:10

New subject: [SLE] yast2 screws up printer setup

Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001122101019.00fd8114@popd.ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:10:19 +0000 From: Samy Elashmawy Subject: Re: [SLE] yast2 screws up printer setup At 12:50 PM 11/22/2000 -0500, Michel Catudal wrote:

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Samy Elashmawy wrote:

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Yast 2 set up the printer correctly

with my system and printer , YAST@ set it up correctly the first go rouns , IF you picked the letterinkjet size paper. If you use the a4 and put in 8 by 11 paper it wont print right. I think that yast2 defaults to a4 and you NEED to CHOOSE the letter for ink jet paper size that has bigger margins. I did note that the a4 wad defouslt , and scrolled down the pick list to the inkjet letter size paper. Worked like a charm. I think you may have accepted the defoults which were wrong for your situaation ? You can also use the apsfiler setup script or run lprsetup as well. I was actualy surprised that yast2 actualy set it up with a working driver and that it actualy prints out bothe text and postscript as well. with 6.4 it was a disaster and I ended up using the esp drivers. I have an epson 1160 btw. I am still working on setting up custome paper sizes ,as I use it to make price sings on large poster paper , and the media chioces do not fit the size paper that I need to use. (another reason that I used ESP drivers) You can see my earlier post on this. Basicly editing the a2ps.cfg file adn modifing the page sizes to match the poster sizes that I need. You wouldent happen to know of any docs for printcap docs for real printer newbies ?

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This is not a correct statement. yast2 messes up big time when setting up the printer. When you print a page it prints most of the page on one page and prints about 0.5inch or so on a different page. There is no option to correct the size of the paper during setup so this makes yast2 completely useless to setup the printer.

The only way that I found to get the printer setup correctly is to use the /var/lib/apsfilter/SETUP on the command line where you do have the option to set the page correctly to letter instead of that weird format which doesn't fit on a printer sheet and ends up being printed on two pages.

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cliff＠raggedclown.net

23 Nov 23 Nov

05:17

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From: Cliff Sarginson Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 06:17:07 +0100 Message-Id: <00112306170700.01982@buffy> Subject: Re: [SLE] yast2 screws up printer setup On Wednesday 22 November 2000 11:10, Samy Elashmawy wrote:

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At 12:50 PM 11/22/2000 -0500, Michel Catudal wrote:

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Samy Elashmawy wrote:

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Yast 2 set up the printer correctly

with my system and printer , YAST@ set it up correctly the first go rouns , IF you picked the letterinkjet size paper. that weird format which doesn't fit on a printer sheet and ends

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up being printed on two pages. <snippety snip>

Mmm. Personally I think yast2 is a waste of effort and disk space, oddly enough the ONLy thing it has managed to do properly is to set my printer up.. If anyone at Suse is listening, Yast1-cool, Yast2=rubbish :) keep on rocking Cliff

julg＠home.com

14:31

New subject: [SLE] yast2 screws up printer setup - Yast1-cool, Yast2=rubbish

Message-ID: <3A1D2A31.EB267DF2@home.com> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:31:14 -0500 From: Jul Subject: Re: [SLE] yast2 screws up printer setup - Yast1-cool, Yast2=rubbish

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Mmm. Personally I think yast2 is a waste of effort and disk space, oddly enough the ONLy thing it has managed to do properly is to set my printer up..

If anyone at Suse is listening, Yast1-cool, Yast2=rubbish :)

keep on rocking

Cliff

I don't thing so, marketing management took over SuSE, They are wasting time building GUI ( flicking ) instatation because they are after mass market. Jul

jerrykreps＠jlkreps.net

14:47

New subject: [SLE] yast2 screws up printer setup - Yast1-cool, Yast2=rubbish

From: Jerry Kreps Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:47:47 -0600 Message-Id: <00112308474703.13136@JLKreps> Subject: Re: [SLE] yast2 screws up printer setup - Yast1-cool, Yast2=rubbish On Thursday 23 November 2000 08:31, Jul wrote:

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Mmm. Personally I think yast2 is a waste of effort and disk space, oddly enough the ONLy thing it has managed to do properly is to set my printer up..

If anyone at Suse is listening, Yast1-cool, Yast2=rubbish :)

keep on rocking

Cliff

I don't thing so, marketing management took over SuSE, They are wasting time building GUI ( flicking ) instatation because they are after mass market.

Jul

Well, I've used both. While I prefer YaST, yast2 worked ok. In fact, it is the only way you can setup Alsa. Wasting time? Hardley. Most of the technically competent people have already tried Linux. Market growth is with the non-technical users. They aren't going to waste time with "./configure, make , make install" or with rebuilding the kernel. Two words: Point. Click. I've had a computer in my home since the summer of 1978. My wife will only use Point-Click. Period. If SuSE can sustain their existance by tapping into that market with a totally graphical system then more power to them. Use the command line? Console based apps are much faster than graphical apps, if screen updating is done, for obvious reason. While there may be some folks out there who sed, grep and awk their way around Linux using esoteric perl scripts and evoking obscure commands with undocmented switches, *most* users want to get the maximum work done in the minimum time by using a comforable tool (mouse) that doesn't require memorizing three pages of keystroke combinations. Wanting to stay in business SuSE will market to the majority. If having people watch you use your wheelbarrow is really important then have a go at GNU HURD.

cliff＠raggedclown.net

17:46

New subject: [SLE] yast2 screws up printer setup - Yast1-cool, Yast2=rubbish

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On Thursday 23 November 2000 08:31, Jul wrote:

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Mmm. Personally I think yast2 is a waste of effort and disk space, oddly enough the ONLy thing it has managed to do properly is to set my printer up..

If anyone at Suse is listening, Yast1-cool, Yast2=rubbish :)

Maybe I should have said, yast2 is not necessary. Yast1 works, it needs some extra functionality. Yast2, ok some people here have success with it, many don;t. I am a fan of yast1 because it does it's job not because of it's aesthetic appeal (which is zero) and it has never crashed on me (unlike linuxconf, and other such setup

Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:46:46 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson Message-ID: <20001123184646.D2104@buffy.local> Subject: Re: [SLE] yast2 screws up printer setup - Yast1-cool, Yast2=rubbish On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 08:47:47AM -0600, Jerry Kreps wrote: programs).

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I don't thing so, marketing management took over SuSE, They are wasting time building GUI ( flicking ) instatation because they are after mass market.

Jul

Well, I've used both. While I prefer YaST, yast2 worked ok. In fact, it is the only way you can setup Alsa. Wasting time? Hardley. Most of the technically competent people have already tried Linux.

Have they really. And where did you get this statistic from..just curious. Did they all hold their hands up in the air when you asked ? Market

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growth is with the non-technical users. They aren't going to waste time with "./configure, make , make install" or with rebuilding the kernel. Two words: Point. Click. I've had a computer in my home since the summer of 1978. My wife will only use Point-Click. Period. If SuSE can sustain their existance by tapping into that market with a totally graphical system then more power to them.

I think you are talking about something different. I am not arguing against GUI's, or convenient desktops. I am arguing against the slow freezing of a very very good setup tool, by a colourful one riddled with problems. > Use the command line? Console based apps are much faster than

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graphical apps, if screen updating is done, for obvious reason. While there may be some folks out there who sed, grep and awk their way around Linux using esoteric perl scripts and evoking obscure commands with undocmented switches, *most* users want to get the maximum work done in the minimum time by using a comforable tool (mouse) that doesn't require memorizing three pages of keystroke combinations. Wanting to stay in business SuSE will market to the majority. If having people watch you use your wheelbarrow is really important then have a go at GNU HURD.

? Again, exactly whom are you adressing here ? This has nothing to do with wheelbarrows or using grep. See my comments above. I think I know what you need! It is called Microsoft Windows. It comes with a truly gorgeous GUI installation program, that does everything for you... except of course it doesn't, and the price you pay is Blue Screens and obscure problems. Suse can address whatever market they like. it is up to them. However the nearer they come to the Microsoft razzamataz, the more indistinguishable they will become from Redhat (who are following the same route) .. and the people who develop and support and ask/answer questions about that software will vote with their feet if they say good tools (yast1) replaced by flashy inferior ones (yast2). The Free O/S software movement is unique. It needs to remain so. One Microsoft is quite enough for this planet. Good luck Cliff p.s. Mice are heavy suspects as a cause for RSI by the way ..

damon.w.register＠lmco.com

22 Nov 22 Nov

18:17

New subject: [SLE] yast2 screws up printer setup

Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:17:34 -0500 From: Damon Register Message-id: <3A1C0DBE.DDCB94A3@lmco.com> Subject: Re: [SLE] yast2 screws up printer setup Michel Catudal wrote:

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The only way that I found to get the printer setup correctly is to use the /var/lib/apsfilter/SETUP on the command line where you Same here. I gave up on yast2 for printer setup. The above mentioned SETUP program worked well for me.

Damon Register

cwaiken＠telerama.com

18:28

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Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:28:02 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher W. Aiken" Message-ID: Subject: Re: [SLE] yast2 screws up printer setup On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, Michel Catudal wrote: -|Samy Elashmawy wrote: -| -|> -|>Yast 2 set up the printer correctly -| -|This is not a correct statement. yast2 messes up big time when -|setting up the printer. When you print a page it prints most of -|the page on one page and prints about 0.5inch or so on a different -|page. There is no option to correct the size of the paper during -|setup so this makes yast2 completely useless to setup the printer. -| -|The only way that I found to get the printer setup correctly is -|to use the /var/lib/apsfilter/SETUP on the command line where you -|do have the option to set the page correctly to letter instead of -|that weird format which doesn't fit on a printer sheet and ends -|up being printed on two pages. -| yast1 still works OK for setting up printers for me on my SuSE 7.0 system. I'm using a Epson 740 printer. --- Christopher W. Aiken, Scenery Hill, Pa, USA chris at cwaiken dot com, www.cwaiken.com Current O/S: SuSE 7.0 Professional Linux

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