At least some of the apparent belt-tightening is explained
https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/18/suse_delisting/ I guess killing-off Leap is how SUSE plans to "deliver on our strategy with the new leadership team in place" -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On 2023-08-21 00:25, David C. Rankin wrote:
https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/18/suse_delisting/
I guess killing-off Leap is how SUSE plans to "deliver on our strategy with the new leadership team in place"
Did you miss this post in the "ACTION NEEDED: Understanding the current mood and trends among our contributors" thread?
On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 12:24 AM Carlos F. Lange <carlosflange@gmail.com> wrote:
To add one more context to the discussion, have others seen the news today that SUSE is going Private? https://opensourcewatch.beehiiv.com/p/suse-go-private
I was catching up with this discussion and wondering what it means for openSUSE.
Gerald Pfeifer answered my question in the other mailing-list (opensuse-project). Copying his answer here for completion:
Hello fellow Geekos,
by now you have likely seen the news that openSUSE's main sponsor, SUSE, is expected to delist from the Frankfurt Stock Exchange and once again become a private company:
https://www.suse.com/news/EQT-announces-voluntary-public-purchase-offer-and-...
I have been personally assured this will have no negative impacts on openSUSE. SUSE's sponsorship of community projects like openSUSE is not changing. SUSE remains committed to supporting the openSUSE community.
Any questions, feel free to reach out.
Have a wonderful day, thank you for your involvement with the openSUSE project, and have a lot of fun!
Gerald Dr. Gerald Pfeifer gp@suse.com, CTO @SUSE + chair @openSUSE
On 2023-08-21 04:00, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2023-08-21 00:25, David C. Rankin wrote:
https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/18/suse_delisting/
I guess killing-off Leap is how SUSE plans to "deliver on our strategy with the new leadership team in place"
Did you miss this post in the "ACTION NEEDED: Understanding the current mood and trends among our contributors" thread?
I didn't, but I don't understand what is going on, what the different paths are about. It is no surprise that some people are worried. SUSE and openSUSE have to communicate better. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.5 (Laicolasse))
Hi - Have you watched the video? https://youtu.be/-y2ewBG62J4 Sent from Proton Mail for iOS On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 7:55 AM, Carlos E. R. <[carlos.e.r@opensuse.org](mailto:On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 7:55 AM, Carlos E. R. <<a href=)> wrote:
On 2023-08-21 04:00, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2023-08-21 00:25, David C. Rankin wrote:
https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/18/suse_delisting/
I guess killing-off Leap is how SUSE plans to "deliver on our strategy with the new leadership team in place"
Did you miss this post in the "ACTION NEEDED: Understanding the current mood and trends among our contributors" thread?
I didn't, but I don't understand what is going on, what the different paths are about. It is no surprise that some people are worried. SUSE and openSUSE have to communicate better.
-- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R.
(from openSUSE 15.5 (Laicolasse))
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 12:39:34 +0000 John Kizer via openSUSE Users <users@lists.opensuse.org> wrote:
Hi - Have you watched the video?
I don't know about Carlos but I haven't and am not going to. I much prefer reading stuff to watching videos, especially if the video is 42 minutes long and by Richard Brown, who irritates me.
That's unfortunate, IMO, as while I'm not inherently either a big fan or big detractor of Richard's presentation style, it seems to me to be a really clear walkthrough of the SUSE changes that are happening (probably the first 2/3 of the video), the impacts to openSUSE and different approaches that could be taken (which flow very nicely into the recent survey). And FWIW the text on the slides is pretty complete so it's even a pretty "skimmable" presentation. Sent with Proton Mail secure email. ------- Original Message ------- On Tuesday, August 22nd, 2023 at 10:12 AM, Dave Howorth <dave@howorth.org.uk> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 12:39:34 +0000 John Kizer via openSUSE Users users@lists.opensuse.org wrote:
Hi - Have you watched the video?
I don't know about Carlos but I haven't and am not going to. I much prefer reading stuff to watching videos, especially if the video is 42 minutes long and by Richard Brown, who irritates me.
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 15:15:03 +0000 John Kizer via openSUSE Users <users@lists.opensuse.org> wrote:
That's unfortunate, IMO, as while I'm not inherently either a big fan or big detractor of Richard's presentation style, it seems to me to be a really clear walkthrough of the SUSE changes that are happening (probably the first 2/3 of the video), the impacts to openSUSE and different approaches that could be taken (which flow very nicely into the recent survey).
And FWIW the text on the slides is pretty complete so it's even a pretty "skimmable" presentation.
Are they available separately? And please don't send me a separate reply - I am subscribed!
Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
------- Original Message ------- On Tuesday, August 22nd, 2023 at 10:12 AM, Dave Howorth <dave@howorth.org.uk> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 12:39:34 +0000 John Kizer via openSUSE Users users@lists.opensuse.org wrote:
Hi - Have you watched the video?
I don't know about Carlos but I haven't and am not going to. I much prefer reading stuff to watching videos, especially if the video is 42 minutes long and by Richard Brown, who irritates me.
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 12:39:34 +0000 John Kizer via openSUSE Users <users@lists.opensuse.org> wrote:
Hi - Have you watched the video?
I don't know about Carlos but I haven't and am not going to. I much prefer reading stuff to watching videos, especially if the video is 42 minutes long and by Richard Brown, who irritates me. So I guess congratulations are in order -- you read an article in The Register about SUSE being taken private, and chose to suggest that means openSUSE is about to be killed off. The article said no such thing. Alternatively, you could have watched a video from within the community
On 2023-08-22 08:12, Dave Howorth wrote: that gives a much different picture, but chose not to. Why -- because it likely would not fit your narrative? Oh, btw -- did you read my previous post in this thread, where I Sorepeated the quote (out of forum "opensuse projects") in which the CTO of SUSE/chairman of openSUSE told us he has been assured that oS is *not* going to disappear. So, as Robert Schweikert said, take the FUD elsewhere.
On 2023-08-22 11:39, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2023-08-22 08:12, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 12:39:34 +0000 John Kizer via openSUSE Users <users@lists.opensuse.org> wrote:
Hi - Have you watched the video?
https://youtu.be/-y2ewBG62J4 I don't know about Carlos but I haven't and am not going to. I much prefer reading stuff to watching videos, especially if the video is 42 minutes long and by Richard Brown, who irritates me. So I guess congratulations are in order -- you read an article in The Register about SUSE being taken private, and chose to suggest that means openSUSE is about to be killed off.
He did not say such thing.
The article said no such thing. Alternatively, you could have watched a video from within the community that gives a much different picture, but chose not to. Why -- because it likely would not fit your narrative?
I also prefer reading something to watching a video. But I'm half way through it.
Oh, btw -- did you read my previous post in this thread, where I Sorepeated the quote (out of forum "opensuse projects") in which the CTO of SUSE/chairman of openSUSE told us he has been assured that oS is *not* going to disappear.
So, as Robert Schweikert said, take the FUD elsewhere.
-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.5 (Laicolasse))
On 2023-08-22 12:04, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-08-22 11:39, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2023-08-22 08:12, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 12:39:34 +0000 John Kizer via openSUSE Users <users@lists.opensuse.org> wrote:
Hi - Have you watched the video?
https://youtu.be/-y2ewBG62J4 I don't know about Carlos but I haven't and am not going to. I much prefer reading stuff to watching videos, especially if the video is 42 minutes long and by Richard Brown, who irritates me. So I guess congratulations are in order -- you read an article in The Register about SUSE being taken private, and chose to suggest that means openSUSE is about to be killed off.
He did not say such thing.
Then I'm not sure what this means to you, but to me it's pretty clear:
I guess killing-off Leap is how SUSE plans to "deliver on our strategy with the new leadership team in place"
On 2023-08-22 15:04, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2023-08-22 12:04, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-08-22 11:39, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2023-08-22 08:12, Dave Howorth wrote:
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 12:39:34 +0000 John Kizer via openSUSE Users <users@lists.opensuse.org> wrote:
Hi - Have you watched the video?
https://youtu.be/-y2ewBG62J4 I don't know about Carlos but I haven't and am not going to. I much prefer reading stuff to watching videos, especially if the video is 42 minutes long and by Richard Brown, who irritates me. So I guess congratulations are in order -- you read an article in The Register about SUSE being taken private, and chose to suggest that means openSUSE is about to be killed off.
He did not say such thing.
Then I'm not sure what this means to you, but to me it's pretty clear:
I guess killing-off Leap is how SUSE plans to "deliver on our strategy with the new leadership team in place"
That was not Dave. Please pay attention to the attributions. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.5 (Laicolasse))
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 13:04:01 -0600 Darryl Gregorash <raven@accesscomm.ca> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 12:04, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-08-22 11:39, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 12:39:34 +0000 John Kizer via openSUSE Users <users@lists.opensuse.org> wrote:
Hi - Have you watched the video?
https://youtu.be/-y2ewBG62J4 I don't know about Carlos but I haven't and am not going to. I much prefer reading stuff to watching videos, especially if the video is 42 minutes long and by Richard Brown, who irritates me. So I guess congratulations are in order -- you read an article in The Register about SUSE being taken private, and chose to suggest
On 2023-08-22 08:12, Dave Howorth wrote: that means openSUSE is about to be killed off.
He did not say such thing.
Then I'm not sure what this means to you, but to me it's pretty clear:
I guess killing-off Leap is how SUSE plans to "deliver on our strategy with the new leadership team in place"
What it means to me is that you did not take the time to read the sequence of messages properly and have castigated me rather rudely for some things that somebody else wrote. I'd like an apology please. Carlos gave you a heads up (thanks Carlos) but you chose to double down on your mistake and insults instead! (PS apologies to the list but he has really irritated me)
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 13:04:01 -0600 Darryl Gregorash <raven@accesscomm.ca> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 12:04, Carlos E. R. wrote:
He did not say such thing.
Then I'm not sure what this means to you, but to me it's pretty clear:
I guess killing-off Leap is how SUSE plans to "deliver on our strategy with the new leadership team in place"
What it means to me is that you did not take the time to read the sequence of messages properly and have castigated me rather rudely for some things that somebody else wrote. Which message should I have read before I read the opening message of
On 2023-08-22 14:34, Dave Howorth wrote: this thread? I interpreted your "killing-off" as meaning you believe that SUSE will be ending the openSUSE product sometime after SUSE is taken private. No such interpretation is possible, imo, from that Register article; indeed, it has even been debunked by the chairman of openSUSE, who just so happens also to be the SUSE CTO.
I'd like an apology please. Carlos gave you a heads up (thanks Carlos) but you chose to double down on your mistake and insults instead!
I did not insult you, I merely interpreted your own words, so no apology will be forthcoming -- not now, not ever.
* Darryl Gregorash <raven@accesscomm.ca> [08-22-23 19:04]:
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 13:04:01 -0600 Darryl Gregorash <raven@accesscomm.ca> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 12:04, Carlos E. R. wrote:
He did not say such thing.
Then I'm not sure what this means to you, but to me it's pretty clear:
I guess killing-off Leap is how SUSE plans to "deliver on our strategy with the new leadership team in place"
What it means to me is that you did not take the time to read the sequence of messages properly and have castigated me rather rudely for some things that somebody else wrote. Which message should I have read before I read the opening message of this
On 2023-08-22 14:34, Dave Howorth wrote: thread? I interpreted your "killing-off" as meaning you believe that SUSE will be ending the openSUSE product sometime after SUSE is taken private. No such interpretation is possible, imo, from that Register article; indeed, it has even been debunked by the chairman of openSUSE, who just so happens also to be the SUSE CTO.
I'd like an apology please. Carlos gave you a heads up (thanks Carlos) but you chose to double down on your mistake and insults instead!
I did not insult you, I merely interpreted your own words, so no apology will be forthcoming -- not now, not ever.
the attribution for the "killing" comment belongs to David Rankin. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 17:46:21 -0600 Darryl Gregorash <raven@accesscomm.ca> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 17:05, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
the attribution for the "killing" comment belongs to David Rankin.
Oops, right you are. OK, mea culpa and apologies to Dave Howorth for the error.
So finally on the third/fourth time of being told you finally acknowledge your error. You seem a particularly stubborn person in this context. Refusing to reread any messages when given cause! Still, apology accepted.
Wed, 23 Aug 2023 12:25:20 +0100 Dave Howorth <dave@howorth.org.uk> :
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 17:46:21 -0600 Darryl Gregorash <raven@accesscomm.ca> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 17:05, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
the attribution for the "killing" comment belongs to David Rankin.
Oops, right you are. OK, mea culpa and apologies to Dave Howorth for the error.
So finally on the third/fourth time of being told you finally acknowledge your error.
You seem a particularly stubborn person in this context. Refusing to reread any messages when given cause! Still, apology accepted.
No dog in the fight but for my money such misunderstandings come with plying the usenet waters and I just steam past them ...mostly :-)
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 19:05:44 -0400 Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> wrote:
* Darryl Gregorash <raven@accesscomm.ca> [08-22-23 19:04]:
On Tue, 22 Aug 2023 13:04:01 -0600 Darryl Gregorash <raven@accesscomm.ca> wrote:
On 2023-08-22 12:04, Carlos E. R. wrote:
He did not say such thing.
Then I'm not sure what this means to you, but to me it's pretty clear:
I guess killing-off Leap is how SUSE plans to "deliver on our strategy with the new leadership team in place"
What it means to me is that you did not take the time to read the sequence of messages properly and have castigated me rather rudely for some things that somebody else wrote. Which message should I have read before I read the opening message of this thread? I interpreted your "killing-off" as meaning you believe that SUSE will be ending the openSUSE product sometime after SUSE is taken
On 2023-08-22 14:34, Dave Howorth wrote: private. No such interpretation is possible, imo, from that Register article; indeed, it has even been debunked by the chairman of openSUSE, who just so happens also to be the SUSE CTO.
I'd like an apology please. Carlos gave you a heads up (thanks Carlos) but you chose to double down on your mistake and insults instead!
I did not insult you, I merely interpreted your own words, so no apology will be forthcoming -- not now, not ever.
the attribution for the "killing" comment belongs to David Rankin.
Thanks Patrick. :)
Mon, 21 Aug 2023 01:25:27 -0500 "David C. Rankin" <drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com> :
https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/18/suse_delisting/
I guess killing-off Leap is how SUSE plans to "deliver on our strategy with the new leadership team in place"
Unqualified wonderings: leaving the 'community' to herd what is left of Leap into the common codebase and to keep it there might be too much and risk a stampede. I'd vote for a street-runner somewhat stabilised (perpetually 6-months behind on traing-wheels) slow-roller idea. Less work, more rewards i.e. same work more goods. -- Small steps keep us on the path but it's the big ones that move vistas.
On 8/21/23 02:25, David C. Rankin wrote:
https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/18/suse_delisting/
I guess killing-off Leap is how SUSE plans to "deliver on our strategy with the new leadership team in place"
Please take the FUD elsewhere. Later, Robert -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU Distinguished Engineer LINUX rjschwei@suse.com IRC: robjo
I feel that this video should be required viewing prior to posts being made about the medium-term Leap situation. https://youtu.be/-y2ewBG62J4 I am no innate fan of any corporation, but this all feels pretty transparent/logical to me. John Kizer On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 8:51 AM, Robert Schweikert via openSUSE Users <[users@lists.opensuse.org](mailto:On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 8:51 AM, Robert Schweikert via openSUSE Users <<a href=)> wrote:
On 8/21/23 02:25, David C. Rankin wrote:
https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/18/suse_delisting/
I guess killing-off Leap is how SUSE plans to "deliver on our strategy with the new leadership team in place"
Please take the FUD elsewhere.
Later, Robert
-- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU Distinguished Engineer LINUX rjschwei@suse.com IRC: robjo
On 2023-08-21 08:25, David C. Rankin wrote:
https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/18/suse_delisting/
I guess killing-off Leap is how SUSE plans to "deliver on our strategy with the new leadership team in place"
Although I don't understand what you mean by that, I can say (having listened to EQT's general meetings for a few years) that EQT probably intend to sell the company within about 2 years. EQT's business model consists of owning and operating companies for 3-7 years and then selling them, hopefully at a profit. Delisting SUSE is simply a strategically correct decision in these times and ahead of a future sale. -- /bengan
On 2023-08-21 16:59, Bengt Gördén wrote:
On 2023-08-21 08:25, David C. Rankin wrote:
https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/18/suse_delisting/
I guess killing-off Leap is how SUSE plans to "deliver on our strategy with the new leadership team in place"
Although I don't understand what you mean by that, I can say (having listened to EQT's general meetings for a few years) that EQT probably intend to sell the company within about 2 years. EQT's business model consists of owning and operating companies for 3-7 years and then selling them, hopefully at a profit. Delisting SUSE is simply a strategically correct decision in these times and ahead of a future sale.
That's hardly tranquilizing to "clients". As a "client" I want no changes. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.5 (Laicolasse))
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