The Monday 2005-01-24 at 02:18 +0100, I wrote:

So, things are prety bad today. I can email to the list, hopefully...

No, I can not: ezmlm-reject: fatal: message already has a Mailing-List header (maybe I should be a sublist) (#5.7.2) I hate that message. And the list owner told me once to "try again". He doesn't know his own setup, it seems... the real reason is the server thinks I'm a spammer: Subject: *****SPAM***** Re: [suse-linux-s] Traduccion de html X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at scanhost.suse.de X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=7.3 tagged_above=-20.0 required=5.0 tests=LOCAL_RCVD_IN_CBL, MY_LINUX, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL, RCVD_IN_XBL X-Spam-Level: ******* X-Spam-Flag: YES Interestingly, spamassassin does not consider GPG signatures, even when valid (and chekable). And it did once, I think. For the moment, I'm getting by by editing the transport file EVERY time I connect, to select a diferent relay on each ocassion. DAMM! :-/ -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

* Carl E. Hartung <suselinux@cehartung.com> [01-23-05 20:44]:

If it helps you feel any better, we're receiving your fine posts up here in the frozen northeastern U.S. ;-)

You are getting his _list_ posts, but he cannot post direct to you, iiuc. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

* Carl E. Hartung <suselinux@cehartung.com> [01-23-05 21:14]:

I plead frozen brain cells, your honor. 'Twas -22F when I was out surveying plumbing last night...

I've been promoted <b-grin>. And I complain about 16F here :^(. but I don't even like 50F, nor doz my Harley..... retired/retarted in central Indiana. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

On Monday 24 January 2005 03:08, Carl E. Hartung wrote:

On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 21:17 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: <snip>

...

I've been promoted <b-grin>. And I complain about 16F here :^(.

but I don't even like 50F, nor doz my Harley.....

I've acclimated in three years, for the most part (after 27 years in balmy California) but -22F is just... insane. Things, you name it -- garage door springs, hatchback windows, etc. -- just break when you use them, they get so brittle. It's a great incentive to stay toasty inside, keep the heck away from cold moving parts and "work" on the 'puter :-)

- Carl Can you send some of that cold over here these darn warm winters are very nice for the tropics but this is England and it SHOULD be darn cold right now not flaming Tee Shirt weather..

Gimme snow .. Pete . -- If Bill Gates had gotten LAID at High School do YOU think there would be a Microsoft ? Of course NOT ! You gotta spend a lot of time at your school Locker stuffing underware up your ass to think , I am going to take on the worlds Computer Industry -------:heard on Cyber Radio.:-------

On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 22:13 -0500, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote: <snip>

Guess I won't tell you guys it is about 80F +/- a few degrees today here ;)

I am soooooo jealous right now. I think it got to 70... in the furnace room! - Carl

On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 22:50, Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Sunday 23 January 2005 19:13, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:

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On Sunday 23 January 2005 9:17 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Carl E. Hartung <suselinux@cehartung.com> [01-23-05 21:14]:

...

I plead frozen brain cells, your honor. 'Twas -22F when I was out surveying plumbing last night...

I've been promoted <b-grin>. And I complain about 16F here :^(.

but I don't even like 50F, nor doz my Harley.....

Guess I won't tell you guys it is about 80F +/- a few degrees today here ;)

Please report back on the temperatures in July and August.

RRS

Actually how about mid May - early October when it never gets below 70F and is almost always 90F+ with humidity 80+. This (the cold) is actually worse then up north, when you go from 70F one day to the 30's the next. The body has a hard time adjusting to this in less then 24 hrs. And yes the worse is the farmers who may loose most of their crops. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 * Only reply to the list please* "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge

At 10:19 PM 1/23/2005 -0500, Ken Schneider wrote:

On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 21:17, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Carl E. Hartung <suselinux@cehartung.com> [01-23-05 21:14]:

...

I plead frozen brain cells, your honor. 'Twas -22F when I was out surveying plumbing last night...

I've been promoted <b-grin>. And I complain about 16F here :^(.

but I don't even like 50F, nor doz my Harley.....

retired/retarted in central Indiana. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

Expecting 31F tonight here in S.W. Florida which should set a record.

-- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998

* Only reply to the list please*

"The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners." -Ernst Jan Plugge

EAT IT, FLORIDA--It's 10 degrees here on Long Island! --dm

On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 22:19 -0500, Ken Schneider wrote:

Expecting 31F tonight here in S.W. Florida which should set a record.

Hi Ken! Gotta windbreaker? ;-) Actually, I'm sorry to hear that. It's not good for the farmers, or for us heavy orange juice drinkers later this year either. I'm just waiting to hear from someone in California. I understand there's some crazy weather happening out there, too. - Carl

On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 19:55 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:

Carl,

<snip>

Mostly it was a helluva lotta' rain. The negative consequences were in urban areas (back when I lived in Venice, it took only a moderate rainfall to produce a huge puddle in the street in front of my house) and in places where people lived on or below to slopes that become unstable when exposed to a lot of rainfall.

To my knowledge, agriculture was not particularly affected by our recent storms.

So don't worry. Your Valencia orange supply is assured. Likewise for artichokes, brussels' sprouts and almods. Etc.

Glad to hear it, Randall. Unfortunately, a lot of that great food won't get up here. We're almost as far north and east as you can get from Calif. and still be in the U.S.. That, and our meager population density (+/- 43/sq.mi.) makes us a poor market by comparison. But thanks for the tasty memories! - Carl

On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 20:44 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:

Very funny. I mean, you're kidding, right? No matter where in the U.S. you live, you're eating food from throughout North and South America, Africa and beyond.

I wish I were kidding, Randall, but the population density really starts to dwindle about 150 miles south of here. Don't misunderstand me -- we have great food up here with a lot of it locally grown -- but compared to California or Chicago or New York, we're extremely small potatoes (pardon the pun.) The stores are tiny, by comparison, and the variety isn't nearly as great. The produce that *is* available is extremely seasonal, too. It must be due to trucking times & fuel costs (vs. volumes) and spoilage rates. Now I've gotta go make myself a sandwich! - Carl

Op maandag 24 januari 2005 04:55, schreef Randall R Schulz:

So don't worry. Your Valencia orange supply is assured. Likewise for artichokes, brussels' sprouts and almods. Etc.

Brussel's sprouts from Florida? What has this world come to? -- Jos van Kan From the Netherlands where 10 degrees is a lot warmer than in Long Island

On Sun January 23 2005 9:17 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote: [snip]

retired/retarted in central Indiana.

I wasn't gonna "go there." :) Fred -- The only bug free software from MickySoft is still shrink-wrapped in their warehouse..."

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:37:21 +0100, blabla <blabla1@cwazy.co.uk> wrote:

Hi,

I've got a little WLAN network at home: desktop Suse 9.2 running samba and two ancient laptops both on win2k.

I mostly work on the desktop, but have been known to use the laptop in the bath etc and certainly when on the road :-)

My wife uses her laptop only.

My question is:

Can I use KMail on the desktop and save it so that another win email programm can read the mails for when I take the laptop on the road? Similarly, can I just overwrite the new emails folders onto the desktop when I return home?

Or any other suggestions that would achieve a working setup?

Ta

Ingo

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The Sunday 2005-01-23 at 21:14 -0500, Carl E. Hartung wrote:

...

You are getting his _list_ posts, but he cannot post direct to you, iiuc.

You are correct! I realized that 0.2 seconds *after* clicking "Send" Doh! X-(

Happens. :-) By the way, teleline pop server is off the ether just now (socket error). They are being hit. They and others, but these get the message "couldn't find canonical DNS name of..." - probably secondary servers use the Terra (Telefonica) network. Even the gnome weather applet is not working now. So Terra, using Telefonica's network is hit, or something else is wrong with them. Or tiscali is disconecting things (I'm using a Tiscali's IP right now)... who knows.

I plead frozen brain cells, your honor. 'Twas -22F when I was out surveying plumbing last night...

We are going to be hit in Spain, the forecast is -15C in central Spain. Here in the south eastern coast, just 0: neither cold not hot :-p -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

The Sunday 2005-01-23 at 22:25 -0500, Carl E. Hartung wrote: [Oops, I forgot to send this yesterday] [and today it is the fourth time I have to resend]

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Here in the south eastern coast, just 0: neither cold not hot :-p <snip> After frigid spells like this, 32F (0C) almost seems like T-shirt weather!

That's the forecast, we still haven't seen it. Right now, at 22:00 hours we have 7C - at the South east coast of Spain, in the Mediterranean. Freezing is really rare. But -15 in the central plain will also be rare, authorities recommend drivers not to drive this week. Dumb, but unfortunately, true, we are not prepared for that weather. [correction: tonight, wednesday 26, we have 4C, -2C a bit to the interior] Back to topic ;-)

I'll let you get back to troubleshooting now, Carlos. It's a lot of fun to watch from the sidelines...

Good luck!

Well, I'll report. Today [yesterday], it works if I connect from Terra, meaning that Telefonica is not blacklisted today. Tiscali is still blacklisted. Telefonica is really a heavy weight. The problem for me, yesterday [day before yesterday], was that both my connection providers were simultaneously blacklisted, so my usual solution of using the other did not work. Each provider has a relay server; the problem for me is selecting one or the other based, for example, on whose IP I have at the moment. But that is the subject of another thread I initiated. [more or less off topic explanation] Let me explain how these big providers work here, and why they are easy target for spammers. Terra is, more or less, a subsidiary of Telefonica. Till a few years ago, this company had every single phone in the country (and some more in South America nowdays). So, their network is very big (for us). The other point to note is that local phone calls are not free as they are in the US and Canada and I don't know where more. Well, Internet Providers here are also phone companies. They usually provide a "free account", which gets their monies from the phone charges when we connect by dialing up their phone number: ie, we are charged by the minute for those connections. They also provide other types of accounts, with a contractual binding. But the "free account" type are, or were, very easy to setup. You are not requested to really identify your self, give bank data, etc: almost nothing. Therefore, it is terribly easy to get an account. As mine is several years old, I don't know how much this has changed, but surely not much. So, a spammer gets an account. He sends his "load". Lets say that the provider discovers it and banns him, they close the account. So what? The spammer gets a new one in a minute. Back to square one. That said, I receive almost no spam originating here, most are in English (they scan this list; I guess). What can be done? Well, the authorities should really involve themselves. Write laws. Here, the police can track the real origin of a spam: the telephone is logged at the ISP, related to the timestamp and IP. It is just a question of tracking a few and putting in jail some spammers... as soon as word gets around, they will stop. And this should be done internationally: that means the European Union this side of the world. Can the ISP do this on their own? Maybe not, maybe they need to be ordered by the police to do so. I think so. They can only close one account... they can not ban them from creating a new one. And that is what must be done. But blocking IPs ranges because one of them was a spam sending point... it is not fair to the rest of honest people. That behavior in any other activity of life would be illegal... [it seems teleline (terra, alias lycos, aka Telefónica has been blacklisted again a moment ago. It bounced once, lets see if the teleline smtp server is blacklisted as well] [no, imposible, teleline does not accept the from address not to be theirs! ] -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

On Wednesday 26 January 2005 03:25 am, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:

Though I don't have one, it might work to get a gmail account and use their authenticated smtp server as your postfix relay with all your dial up accounts.

~ would someone like a gmail invitation ? best rgds _________

The Sunday 2005-01-23 at 20:43 -0500, Carl E. Hartung wrote:

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So, things are prety bad today. I can email to the list, hopefully...

If it helps you feel any better, we're receiving your fine posts up here in the frozen northeastern U.S. ;-)

On the third try I did... The problem today is that both my providers (Terra and Tiscali) are blacklisted now. I had to edit the transport file, and as my providers check the IP for authentification, I have to check it before I connect each time. That's why I posted the question I did, to automate that. And no, the list is also rejecting my emails tonight with this message: <suse-linux-s@lists.suse.com>: ezmlm-reject: fatal: message already has a Mailing-List header (maybe I should be a sublist) (#5.7.2) which is a lie (not true), because below I see: Subject: *****SPAM***** Re: [suse-linux-s] Traduccion de html X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at scanhost.suse.de X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=7.3 tagged_above=-20.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_44, LOCAL_RCVD_IN_CBL, MY_LINUX, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL, RCVD_IN_XBL X-Spam-Level: ******* X-Spam-Flag: YES The list owner told me once to "try again"... sigh. You see, SA is _adding_ the score from several black lists, so not matter what the rest of the email is, it will be clasified as spam - and it doesn't consider GPG. Also, they have the bayes filter badly trained, it should yield 0. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson

Örn, El Lun 24 Ene 2005 19:34, Örn Einar Hansen escribió:

99,99% of all ISP's don't block port 25 for any moral reasons, whatsoever. It's purely a buisness reason. It's to be able to charge "extra" from anyone who wants or needs extensive mail services.

My ISP blocks port 25 and doesn't even offer to unblock it for some extra money. I still run my own mail server, but have to use no-ip.com mail reflector service, so the extra money is for them, not my ISP.

In fact, I'm more likely to get "blocked" by using my ISP, than I am using my own ... since when I do use my ISP, I'm in a pool with thousands of users, of whome there may be hundreds of spammers. Our common denominator (My ISP) is what is going to put us all, including (innocent ;-) me, into the same basket.

Anyway, if your ISP's net blocks get blacklisted, you're out of luck even if you run your own server. Your dynamicallly assigned IP comes out of your ISP's IP address pool, doesn't it? Regards, -- Andreas Philipp Noema Ltda. Bogotá, D.C. - Colombia http://www.noemasol.com

tisdagen den 25 januari 2005 03.52 skrev Carlos E. R.:

But there is something I don't understand. Your IP belongs to your ISP. How do you ensure that yours is not blocked when your ISP's is? They surely belong to the same pool. Only if your IP is fixed, and listed as such, you have a chance, but the blacklists lists ranges, or do they block IP by IP?

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