[opensuse] Something wrong with opensuse.org's web sites?
Hi Folks, Starting yesterday evening I've been getting browser timeouts on http://software.opensuse.org/. Something wrong? It's been down about 24-hours now. I managed to find the iso's on http://en.opensuse.org/Released_Version an got a successful download of the X86-64 dvd, but now when I try an "Online Update Configuration" in YaST on the fresh install I get a "Error 504: Gateway Time-Out" popup error. Online Update returns "No Patches Available" just like 10.1 did. Could my 504 errors be related to the software.opensuse.org crash? Or am I just fouling up somehow? Regards Lew Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Starting yesterday evening I've been getting browser timeouts on http://software.opensuse.org/. Something wrong? It's been down about 24-hours now.
I managed to find the iso's on http://en.opensuse.org/Released_Version an got a successful download of the X86-64 dvd, but now when I try an "Online Update Configuration" in YaST on the fresh install I get a "Error 504: Gateway Time-Out" popup error. Online Update returns "No Patches Available" just like 10.1 did. Could my 504 errors be related to the software.opensuse.org crash? Or am I just fouling up somehow?
I get the same with trying to do any updates using Smart... so it's not just you. There was a crash? Was that announced anywhere? C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I got this yesterday or the day before as well and it is continuing now, in my case through the YAST software update/installer app. This is a general subject that has been bothering me, specifically I don't understand why pkg management under SUSE is so painful. There are some basic things that I find curious: - Why is there a single point of failure such as this for getting packages? I've seen recommendations for choosing mirrors, but why should I have to bother with that? Thats the kind of mundane chore computers supposed to do for me. I'd think that there would be an ability to query multiple servers for package lists and perhaps to even get referrals from servers to others. In the words of an old US TV show: "We have the technology". Shouldn't we even be able to find the best set of sources while we are at it? - Why is refreshing a source an all-or nothing proposition? When I bring up the software management app. it refreshes those I've enabled via another app (software sources). Can't I just pick what I want to enable/disable at the start before I start this long time-out dance? - Why does "abort" never seem to work? When a source hangs (which is all to frequent) I want to move on, not sit and wait and wait and wait. - Why does software sources have to refresh the very software sources that I'm now going into this app. to try to remove so that I can get-on with life in the other app? - Why does Yast s/w apps. insist on being "in my face"? This is supposed to be a multi-tasking, multi-app. computer letting me do multiple things at a time. Yet when Yast starts refreshing software sources and in general "doing its thing" it keeps popping into the foreground and preventing me from doing other work. Maybe I'm just not running things correctly on my SUSE box? I've read that this is much improved in the coming 10.3. Is that true? In what way? When I powered up B3 yesterday I experienced the same kinds of wait-n-wait-n-wait that I now have with 10.2. Does the improvement come in the RCs? - Bruce Lew Wolfgang wrote:
Hi Folks,
Starting yesterday evening I've been getting browser timeouts on http://software.opensuse.org/. Something wrong? It's been down about 24-hours now.
I managed to find the iso's on http://en.opensuse.org/Released_Version an got a successful download of the X86-64 dvd, but now when I try an "Online Update Configuration" in YaST on the fresh install I get a "Error 504: Gateway Time-Out" popup error. Online Update returns "No Patches Available" just like 10.1 did. Could my 504 errors be related to the software.opensuse.org crash? Or am I just fouling up somehow?
Regards Lew Wolfgang
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Bruce A. Mallett wrote:
- Why is there a single point of failure such as this for getting packages? I've seen recommendations for choosing mirrors, but why should I have to bother with that?
in the same sentence, you contredict yourself... if you don't want to bother with mirrors, there must be a single entry point problem is this point should be unbreakable (server with a backup) (your other points are already known - badly) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Do I? Maybe. I think that choosing a mirror is in fact choosing a single point of failure. Choosing any single system is a single point of failure. I'm really wondering why that is necessary and why there is not instead either a list of lists or a DNS entry that gets you to a list of lists. I'm not knowledgeable about DNS to know how *that* would work, but it must as, 'fer instance, I notice that doing something like "ping google.com" gets different addresses at different times. jdd wrote:
Bruce A. Mallett wrote:
- Why is there a single point of failure such as this for getting packages? I've seen recommendations for choosing mirrors, but why should I have to bother with that?
in the same sentence, you contredict yourself...
if you don't want to bother with mirrors, there must be a single entry point
problem is this point should be unbreakable (server with a backup)
(your other points are already known - badly)
jdd
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2007-09-16 at 12:22 -0400, Bruce A. Mallett wrote:
Do I? Maybe. I think that choosing a mirror is in fact choosing a single point of failure. Choosing any single system is a single point of failure.
The point of using mirrors is that you use diferent systems. My update have not broken or failed when you had those problems. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG7cP4tTMYHG2NR9URAr3uAJ9iKoB9CosIV0PShpAXM13LE7YqeACfY3cZ 7jPuBrsDuO+idGGG8ICwMyE= =ylfA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Sunday 2007-09-16 at 12:22 -0400, Bruce A. Mallett wrote:
Do I? Maybe. I think that choosing a mirror is in fact choosing a single point of failure. Choosing any single system is a single point of failure.
The point of using mirrors is that you use diferent systems. My update have not broken or failed when you had those problems.
Except, when something takes out both original and mirrors e.g. the recent packman blip...(which had little to do with SuSE). What I did find a little irritating in the latter case I got no option to disable but only the option to delete the offending location. This is the first major problem I have noticed with the primary SuSE repositories for quite some time. IMHO Compared to some other maintenance and download services (e.g. CPAN and Eclipse) it is on a par... Unfortunately, this is one those things one tends to notice when it is not working, and forget about when it does. It also seems to occur more frequently at weekends or public holidays when there is no-one on site and in the case of hardware failure, no suppliers around to replace the broken kit... - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG7jS+asN0sSnLmgIRAusaAJoDXv+sjdWtbUeRLaQy1plaF6m+GgCg2CG8 SqoDM/C7fnw9DYPe9MAMxpQ= =lXPD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-09-17 at 09:03 +0100, G T Smith wrote:
The point of using mirrors is that you use diferent systems. My update have not broken or failed when you had those problems.
Except, when something takes out both original and mirrors e.g. the recent packman blip...(which had little to do with SuSE). What I did find a little irritating in the latter case I got no option to disable but only the option to delete the offending location.
The only thing that can take out the whole thing is a bad file being distributed from suse to all the mirrors. If one of the servers is down, when Yast checks it and fails, it will pop up a dialog: just tell it to ignore that source. True, the whole thing should be worked out better, so that you can cancel anytime, or skip any time, and get better info, because the message always says something about the CD/DVD being bad, not about the remote source unless you make it show the details. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG7lfItTMYHG2NR9URArDcAJ9aqo5WmmTszMcEczlSgz264IEGWQCgigg8 7yJn6cLOEYTB87Y5rRxrdVI= =IoWp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sun, 16 Sep 2007, by bam@NightStorm.com:
I got this yesterday or the day before as well and it is continuing now, in my case through the YAST software update/installer app.
This is a general subject that has been bothering me, specifically I don't understand why pkg management under SUSE is so painful. There are some basic things that I find curious: [..]
If there's ever a reason for me to move on to e.g. Mac, it will be this whole packaging and install source thing. It's fscking ridiculous that there are 4 or 5 different tools for openSUSE, and none of them do what they're supposed to do, flawless, all the time. I'm not saying that there should only be one, I'm all for choice, but having 4 or 5 early Bèta stage tools, and no mature versions, is a bloody pain. Theo -- Theo v. Werkhoven Registered Linux user# 99872 http://counter.li.org ICBM 52 13 26N , 4 29 47E. + ICQ: 277217131 SUSE 10.2 + Jabber: muadib@jabber.xs4all.nl Kernel 2.6.20 + See headers for PGP/GPG info. Claimer: any email I receive will become my property. Disclaimers do not apply. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 09/16/2007 Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
If there's ever a reason for me to move on to e.g. Mac, it will be this whole packaging and install source thing. It's fscking ridiculous that there are 4 or 5 different tools for openSUSE, and none of them do what they're supposed to do, flawless, all the time. I'm not saying that there should only be one, I'm all for choice, but having 4 or 5 early Bèta stage tools, and no mature versions, is a bloody pain.
Theo
If you ever find a piece of software that works "flawless, all the time" I would be very interested in it. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sun, 16 Sep 2007, by bilwalsh@swbell.net:
On 09/16/2007 Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
If there's ever a reason for me to move on to e.g. Mac, it will be this whole packaging and install source thing. It's fscking ridiculous that there are 4 or 5 different tools for openSUSE, and none of them do what they're supposed to do, flawless, all the time. I'm not saying that there should only be one, I'm all for choice, but having 4 or 5 early Bèta stage tools, and no mature versions, is a bloody pain.
Theo
If you ever find a piece of software that works "flawless, all the time" I would be very interested in it.
Let me rephrase that: robust enough so that I don't notice flaws on servers and with connections. A couple of days ago I reported about a problem between zypper and ftp.gwdg.de. Those are the problems that I don't want to know about; if there's a problem parsing /a/ file on /a/ server: *deal* with it instead of bombing out and passing the shreds to me. Theo -- Theo v. Werkhoven Registered Linux user# 99872 http://counter.li.org ICBM 52 13 26N , 4 29 47E. + ICQ: 277217131 SUSE 10.2 + Jabber: muadib@jabber.xs4all.nl Kernel 2.6.20 + See headers for PGP/GPG info. Claimer: any email I receive will become my property. Disclaimers do not apply. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Sun, 16 Sep 2007, by bam@NightStorm.com:
I got this yesterday or the day before as well and it is continuing now, in my case through the YAST software update/installer app.
This is a general subject that has been bothering me, specifically I don't understand why pkg management under SUSE is so painful. There are some basic things that I find curious: [..]
If there's ever a reason for me to move on to e.g. Mac, it will be
You mean the same Mac which occasionally ship patches which break or remove features from users systems :-) No, update system is likely to be perfect, and most experienced sys admin on all platforms test these things out to find out if anything breaks before deploying. For home users or smaller outfits this is problematic as the resources do not usually exist to this kind of checking, - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG7jUJasN0sSnLmgIRAoADAKCmnLobZmFc96biF07Ub+9O7Udh8gCgmHYU fHautkijjUx1jtJRLgeaXO8= =1DDA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
Sun, 16 Sep 2007, by bam@NightStorm.com:
I got this yesterday or the day before as well and it is continuing now, in my case through the YAST software update/installer app.
This is a general subject that has been bothering me, specifically I don't understand why pkg management under SUSE is so painful. There are some basic things that I find curious: [..]
If there's ever a reason for me to move on to e.g. Mac, it will be this whole packaging and install source thing. It's fscking ridiculous that there are 4 or 5 different tools for openSUSE, and none of them do what they're supposed to do, flawless, all the time. I'm not saying that there should only be one, I'm all for choice, but having 4 or 5 early Bèta stage tools, and no mature versions, is a bloody pain.
Theo In regard to Package Management, you always can have a look at Ubuntu or Debian fopr tha tMatter. They may not have Yast but their Package Management works greatly.
Actually I had concluded, that package management is not what I do for a living, otherwise I would have switched to Ubuntu for long. ;-)) Kind regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Eberhard Roloff wrote:
Actually I had concluded, that package management is not what I do for a living, otherwise I would have switched to Ubuntu for long. ;-))
two years ago, I had so many problems with debian package management I stopped trying it. that is not to say openSUSE one don't need enhancement. I remember Yast,... many years ago was not so slow on much less powerfull machines than today. I hope a solution will be shown in final 10.3 (in 10.1, even without zen, it's desperatly slow) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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