Hello, I just buy an asus computer with windows 8 (beurk...). I could install 13.1 very easily, matter of minutes... (dualboot) But I still have to refine the install. Windows had an empty data partition, I could remove it to make room to 13.1 * There is on board a 24Gb ssd that is used automatically by windows. The key is "automatically", I have absolutely no clue of how windiws use it. There are two partition on it, one 18Gb and one 4Gb (approx - same size than ram) is that swap ? How can I use it with openSUSE withjout nraking windows? * it's a touch screen computer. Is there a touch screen friendly kde setup? Touch is seen, but icons are very small. Have I to use Gnome 3? * I have no wired ethernet interface. I beg I can use an usb one, but is is really effective? wifi works, but I frequently had problems with wufi in the past I will probably have other things to ask, but right now I don't see thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 11:56 AM, jdd wrote:
There is on board a 24Gb ssd that is used automatically by windows.
I can't comment on the SSD questions.
* it's a touch screen computer. Is there a touch screen friendly kde setup? Touch is seen, but icons are very small. Have I to use Gnome 3?
Nope to either option. I've got an Acer tablet/laptop hybrid with a touch screen and I've found Gnome3 and KDE4 are about equal for being touch (un)friendly with KDE being MUCH more configurable towards being touch friendly. Both work... but with Gnome's chronic lack of configuration, you're pretty much stuck with what you get. Even the 3rd party Gnome themes don't fix much. With KDE4, you can use a regular mouse and configure/scale up the desktop widgets to make them fat-finger sized. This works reasonably OK. The biggest issue isn't really KDE or Gnome... it's the apps you launch. There are no standard desktop apps that are touch friendly. All of them (desktop apps like browsers, office suites etc) rely on the mouse paradigm with cascading menus etc that we've all used for decades. So even if you find Gnome or KDE (or Mate, Cinnamon, XFCE, etc etc) touch friendly, once you launch an app... you're back in the world of mouse. Other big issues with touch in Linux vs Windows... - scrolling in browsers doesn't work (you have to scroll using the scroll bar vs just swiping in the browser) - right-click is hit and miss... long touch on the screen on a browser link will work as a right click, but elsewhere it rarely works - double-click on things is next to impossible - tap and drag is a hit/miss... like resizing a window, it's insanely frustrating and involves a lot of tap, drag.. crap missed, tap, drag, crap missed until you either accidentally grab the window border... or you give up and connect the mouse.
* I have no wired ethernet interface. I beg I can use an usb one, but is is really effective? wifi works, but I frequently had problems with wufi in the past
I have no issues at all with my Acer and WiFi... it really is a case of "just works" on install. I have no issues with reconnecitng on wakeup/hibernation etc. Assuming you've got a compatible WiFi chipset (like Atheros) in your Asus laptop... I'd expect it to work similarly. C. -- openSUSE 13.1 x86_64, KDE 4.12 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 24/02/2014 12:23, C a écrit :
The biggest issue isn't really KDE or Gnome... it's the apps you launch. There are no standard desktop apps that are touch friendly.
sure. For the little I have used it, Windows don't seems to be much better on this respect thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:32 PM, jdd wrote:
Le 24/02/2014 12:23, C a écrit :
The biggest issue isn't really KDE or Gnome... it's the apps you launch. There are no standard desktop apps that are touch friendly.
sure. For the little I have used it, Windows don't seems to be much better on this respect
Depends on the application. Take Chrome as an example. In Windows, the scrolling and zooming interaction is quite natural to use. You can swipe to scroll up/down/left/right and pinch zoom. In Linux (regardless of window manager) you don't get swipe scrolling or pinch zoom. To scroll you have to play hit/miss on the scrollbar, and zoom with the mouse or menu Another issue is onscreen keyboards. There are several, and I've found that KDE kvkbd to be the most usable and configurable at the desktop level. Overall though, I find it easiest to use a combination of mouse and touch screen. Until the applications catch up and provide an option for touch optimization, it's going to have to be a combination. Oh, and Peter mentioned Plasma Active. I've used that on my tablet as well, and... it's basically the same issue. You get a KDE interface/overlay that is somewhat touch friendly with fat-finger sized controls right up until you launch an application... then you're right back at needing the mouse/keyboard. C. -- openSUSE 13.1 x86_64, KDE 4.12 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 24/02/14 12:23, C wrote:
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 11:56 AM, jdd wrote:
There is on board a 24Gb ssd that is used automatically by windows.
I can't comment on the SSD questions.
Perhaps the 4GB is a hibernation partition, but it could also be some manufacturer reinstall utilities. Or that may be what occupies the 18GB. Still, that would be a total waste of an SSD for something that may never be required, so I doubt it.
* it's a touch screen computer. Is there a touch screen friendly kde setup? Touch is seen, but icons are very small. Have I to use Gnome 3?
Nope to either option. I've got an Acer tablet/laptop hybrid with a touch screen and I've found Gnome3 and KDE4 are about equal for being touch (un)friendly with KDE being MUCH more configurable towards being touch friendly. Both work... but with Gnome's chronic lack of configuration, you're pretty much stuck with what you get. Even the 3rd party Gnome themes don't fix much.
With KDE4, you can use a regular mouse and configure/scale up the desktop widgets to make them fat-finger sized. This works reasonably OK.
The biggest issue isn't really KDE or Gnome... it's the apps you launch. There are no standard desktop apps that are touch friendly. All of them (desktop apps like browsers, office suites etc) rely on the mouse paradigm with cascading menus etc that we've all used for decades. So even if you find Gnome or KDE (or Mate, Cinnamon, XFCE, etc etc) touch friendly, once you launch an app... you're back in the world of mouse.
Would it be worth trying Plasma Active? That's better formulated for touch, although it's geared primarily towards tablets. Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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